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Post by rwo power on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:22 pm

Well, if you keep discussing the stats and not derailing the thread then fine, but here's a lot of derailing going on.

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Post by rwo power on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:50 pm

BTW, talking about stats, here are the save percentages of the Bundesliga goalies in 2014/15 (up to matchday 9) so far:

Manuel Neuer / Bayern: 90.48% (19 saves)
Yann Sommer / Gladbach: 90.00% (36 saves)

Timo Horn / Köln: 83.33% (35 saves)
Loris Karius / Mainz: 81.13% (43 saves)
Diego Benaglio / Wolfsburg: 78.26% (18 saves)

Oliver Baumann / Hoffenheim: 74.07% (20 saves)
Marwin Hitz / Augsburg: 73.81% (31 saves)
Ralf Fährmann / Schalke: 73.74% (36 saves)
Jaroslav Drobny / HSV: 72.73% (24 saves)
Roman Bürki / Freiburg: 71.43% (35 saves)
Lukas Kruse / Paderborn: 70.73% (29 saves)
Ron-Robert Zieler / Hannover: 70.72% (26 saves)

Thorsten Kirschbaum / Stuttgart: 65.52% (19 saves)
Bernd Leno / Leverkusen: 64.10% (25 saves)
Thomas Kraft / Hertha: 61.29% (19 saves)
Felix Wiedwald / Frankfurt: 60.71% (17 saves)
Roman Weidenfeller / Dortmund: 60.61% (20 saves)
Raphael Wolf / Bremen: 50.00% (23 saves)


Yann Sommer's stats: http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/clubs/bor-moenchengladbach/spieler.php?player=33201
Manuel Neuer's stats: http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/clubs/fc-bayern-muenchen/spieler.php?player=28359
(The other Gks can be found at bundesliga.com, too)

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Post by Curtinho on Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:27 pm

43 saves and 81% is pretty impressive from Karius.

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Post by rwo power on Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:44 pm

Yup. I'm really impressed by Timo Horn, too. Both Loris Karius and Timo Horn turned only 21 years of age this summer, and they got their number one spots already last year.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:55 pm

you think it might be time for Klopp to call it a day with Weidenfeller and usher in Langerak, RWO?

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Post by rwo power on Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:29 am

Hm. Problem is that Mitch Langerak, while he's definitely a cutie, isn't up to par where modern goal-keeping is concerned. Mitch is unfortunately not so good with the ball at his feet, even though he is a pretty capable shot-stopper. In the long run, Dortmund need a top modern goalkeeper who is able to perform the libero function, too.

But this doesn't belong into the stats discussion. We might continue this in either the Bundesliga or Dortmund threads.

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Post by Harmonica on Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:32 am

Stop making this thread about cuteness rwo.

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Post by rwo power on Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:42 am

Hey, the save percentages are hard facts. :coffee:

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Post by Harmonica on Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:01 pm

Goalkeepers with best pass accuracy in Champions League: Ter Stegen 87,3% - Neuer 85,3% - Buffon 82,4%

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Post by rwo power on Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:11 pm

With MAtS and Manu Neuer that was known, but Gigi duly impresses me there :bow:

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Post by Harmonica on Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:46 pm

Most goals with 'weak' foot in year 2014:

Messi 15
Diego Costa 11
Ronaldo 11
Ibrahimovic 10
Aguero 8

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Post by junkyard on Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:43 pm

@Harmonica wrote:Most goals with 'weak' foot in year 2014:

Messi 15
Diego Costa 11
Ronaldo 11
Ibrahimovic 10
Aguero 8


Very interesting stat, Harmonica! Thumbs up
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Post by Harmonica on Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:59 pm

2009-2015 Dribbles per game (Opta)

24.1 Bundesfodder
16.0 Serie-A
14.8 Premier League
14.7 La Liga
13.4 Ligue 1

La Liga :bow:
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Post by futbol on Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:10 pm

Doesn't surprise me. Thiago was averaging about 2 dribbles per game at Barca. At Bayern it suddenly climbed up to 5.7 per game (Messi-esque numbers). Similar with Diego Ribas. 4.9 dribbles per game at Wolfsburg. At Atletico suddenly down to 1.5. Sanchez same. 1.3 dribbles at Barca in his best ever season. 3.8 in Mule League all of a sudden. Suarez went down from 2.8 in Mule League down to 1.8 in La Liga. At the same time Messi has averaged 40 dribbles against last 4 English opposition or something like that if I'm not mistaken. GOAT Liga ain't a child's playground like Bundeslol and Mule League. GOAT Liga. Proud

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Post by Curtinho on Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:14 pm

To be fair Suarez's dribbles will also go down because Messi is the focal point of the team and not Suarez anymore.

Look at Bale goes from 1.5 to 2.1 with RM, and that's after losing the focal point status. Vela can't even dribble out of a paper bag in EPL but manages between 1.7 and 2 in Lol Liga. Meanwhile Robben dribbles circles around Barcelona.

See what I did there? A lot of it has to do with team composition and tactical style as well. Though La Liga is still a great league.

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Post by Donuts on Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:40 pm

do the % of dribbles completed by suarez.. probably much lower than his liverpool days.
la liga offers less space than epl which shows why bale doesn't "dribble" or well kick and run as much as he used to.

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Post by Harmonica on Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:23 pm

Added G.Müller, Eusebio, Charlton, Schillaci and Rossi.

World Cup Career

Matches (Won - Drawn - Lost)

Pele 14 (12 - 1 - 1) = 86% win
Schillaci 7 (6 - 0 - 1) = 86% win
T.Müller 13 (11 - 1 - 1) = 85% win
G.Müller 13 (11 - 0 - 2) = 85% win
Ronaldo 19 (16 - 0 - 3) = 84% win
Eusebio 6 (5 - 0 - 1) = 83% win
Messi 15 (12 - 1 - 2) = 80% win
Romario 8 (6 - 2 - 0) = 75% win
Cruyff 7 (5 - 1 - 1) = 71% win
Klose 24 (16 - 6 - 3) = 67% win
Maradona 21 (14 - 2 - 5) = 67% win
Zidane 12 (8 - 3 - 1) = 67% win
Rossi 14 (8 - 4 - 2) = 57% win
Charlton 14 (8 - 2 - 4) = 57% win
C.Ronaldo 13 (6 - 3 - 4) = 46% win
Kempes 18 (8 - 4 - 6) = 44% win

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Messi 18 (5 + 6 + 7) out of 22 team goals = 82% (+1 SO goal)
Rossi 17 (9 + 3 + 5) out of 21 team goals = 81%
G.Müller 22 (14 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 30 team goals = 73%
Cruyff 11 (4 + 4 + 3) out of 15 team goals = 73%
Romario 8 (5 + 3 + 0) out of 11 team goals = 73% (+1 SO goal)
Eusebio 12 (9 (4p) + 2 + 1) out of 17 team goals = 71%
Schillaci 7 (6 (1p) + 1 + 0) out of 10 team goals = 70%
Pele 22 (12 + 8 + 2) out of 37 team goals = 59%
Maradona 19 (8 + 8 + 3) out of 32 team goals = 59% (+1 SO miss and goal)
Kempes 17 (6 + 6 + 5) out of 30 team goals = 57%
T.Müller 18 (10 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 34 team goals = 53%
Zidane 9 (5 (2p) + 2 + 2) out of 17 team goals = 53% (+1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 21 (15 (1p) + 6 + 0) out of 41 team goals = 51% (+1 SO goal)
Klose 20 (16 + 3 + 1) out of 42 team goals = 48%
C.Ronaldo 6 (3 (1p) + 2 + 1) out of 16 team goals = 38% (+1 SO goal)
Charlton 6 (4 + 0 + 2) out of 20 team goals = 30%
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Post by farfan on Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:45 am

why did you highlight C ronaldo in red ? Laughing

talk about obsessed .
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Post by Kick on Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:48 am

Messi is highlighted in green.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:30 pm

Did Harmonica get a job at The Economist? They just wrote their own statistical analysis of why "Mr Messi" > "Mr Ronaldo" (fyi Harmonica, Ronaldo is his middle name, it should be Mr dos Santos Aveiro)

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2015/03/statistical-analysis-football?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2Fonceandfutureking


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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:48 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Did Harmonica get a job at The Economist? They just wrote their own statistical analysis of why "Mr Messi" > "Mr Ronaldo" (fyi Harmonica, Ronaldo is his middle name, it should be Mr dos Santos Aveiro)

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2015/03/statistical-analysis-football?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2Fonceandfutureking



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Post by Curtinho on Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:06 pm

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Messi not even the best dribbler in Europe. :coffee:

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Post by Harmonica on Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:56 pm

El Cujo wrote:
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Messi not even the best dribbler in Europe. :coffee:

Few posts up

@Harmonica wrote:2009-2015 Dribbles per game (Opta)

24.1 Bundesfodder
16.0 Serie-A
14.8 Premier League
14.7 La Liga
13.4 Ligue 1

La Liga :bow:

which is why there's 5 players from Germany in that list.

Messi against English teams this year, 10 dribbles per game.
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Post by Harmonica on Tue May 05, 2015 12:08 am

Hat-tricks against big teams

Messi 12

Real Madrid 3 3
Valencia 4 3 3
Atletico Madrid 3 3 3
Sevilla 3 3
Arsenal 4
Brazil 3

Ronaldo 6

Atletico Madrid 3 3
Valencia 3
Manchester United 3
Fluminese 3
Argentina 3

Cronaldo 5

Sevilla 4 3 3 3
Atletico Madrid 3

hmm

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Post by Harmonica on Sun May 10, 2015 3:24 pm

Penalty conversion ratio

Messi

League 37/41=90%
UCL 8/11=73%

Cronaldo

League 56/63=89%
UCL 8/11 + 0/2 SO=62%

Penalmiss hmm
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Post by Harmonica on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:09 pm

Added Zico.

World Cup Career

Matches (Won - Drawn - Lost)

Pele 14 (12 - 1 - 1) = 86% win
Schillaci 7 (6 - 0 - 1) = 86% win
T.Müller 13 (11 - 1 - 1) = 85% win
G.Müller 13 (11 - 0 - 2) = 85% win
Ronaldo 19 (16 - 0 - 3) = 84% win
Eusebio 6 (5 - 0 - 1) = 83% win
Messi 15 (12 - 1 - 2) = 80% win
Romario 8 (6 - 2 - 0) = 75% win
Cruyff 7 (5 - 1 - 1) = 71% win
Klose 24 (16 - 6 - 3) = 67% win
Maradona 21 (14 - 2 - 5) = 67% win
Zidane 12 (8 - 3 - 1) = 67% win
Zico 14 (9 - 3 - 2) = 64% win
Rossi 14 (8 - 4 - 2) = 57% win
Charlton 14 (8 - 2 - 4) = 57% win
C.Ronaldo 13 (6 - 3 - 4) = 46% win
Kempes 18 (8 - 4 - 6) = 44% win

Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)

Messi 18 (5 + 6 + 7) out of 22 team goals = 82% (+1 SO goal)
Rossi 17 (9 + 3 + 5) out of 21 team goals = 81%
G.Müller 22 (14 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 30 team goals = 73%
Cruyff 11 (4 + 4 + 3) out of 15 team goals = 73%
Romario 8 (5 + 3 + 0) out of 11 team goals = 73% (+1 SO goal)
Eusebio 12 (9 (4p) + 2 + 1) out of 17 team goals = 71%
Schillaci 7 (6 (1p) + 1 + 0) out of 10 team goals = 70%
Pele 22 (12 + 8 + 2) out of 37 team goals = 59%
Maradona 19 (8 + 8 + 3) out of 32 team goals = 59% (+1 SO miss and goal)
Zico 11 (5 (1p) + 5 + 1) out of 19 team goals = 58% (+1 SO goal)
Kempes 17 (6 + 6 + 5) out of 30 team goals = 57%
T.Müller 18 (10 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 34 team goals = 53%
Zidane 9 (5 (2p) + 2 + 2) out of 17 team goals = 53% (+1 SO goal)
Ronaldo 21 (15 (1p) + 6 + 0) out of 41 team goals = 51% (+1 SO goal)
Klose 20 (16 + 3 + 1) out of 42 team goals = 48%
C.Ronaldo 6 (3 (1p) + 2 + 1) out of 16 team goals = 38% (+1 SO goal)
Charlton 6 (4 + 0 + 2) out of 20 team goals = 30%

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