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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:36 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:I wouldn't say that's the fatness, he was only poor in the second to last game, and that was because he was exhausted from playing too much, not because of a few extra pounds (assuming they are fat, lol).

Being fat could be the root source of the exhaustion though........


Lol, he's fat now? 5 extra pounds means you gained weight, not that you're fat...

And overplay is a much likelier cause + international travelling. If it's fatness then that will keep showing during the rest of the season.

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Post by Sir Psycho on Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:47 pm

You know the funny thing is Messi was first coming up I thought he would end up being like a Pedro type of player. A wide man with above avg trickery and a decent eye for goal.

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Post by Khaled on Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:08 am

lol at madrid fans trolling in barca's section!!


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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by billionmillion on Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:32 am

ban all those fans from this section except xabi

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by The Franchise on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:28 pm

Quintessential Goal Legacy discussion.

Reality : Messi puts on 5lbs of muscle and Barca introduce cheap quality (though good looking) shirts.

Here : Messi is fat
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:30 pm

@The Franchise wrote:Quintessential Goal Legacy discussion.

Reality : Messi puts on 5lbs of muscle and Barca introduce cheap quality (though good looking) shirts.

Here : Messi is fat

Shame that, i even come up with a nickname showing his body mass.........

Obesenel Mehssi banana

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Le Samourai on Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:56 pm

Khaledbarca wrote:lol at madrid fans trolling in barca's section!!


Dude I really didn't mean to troll.

It was an honest question.......

If he did put on 5 pounds of muscle fair play to him , I was enquiring due to the popular opinion around here that he has become fat and the possible realated effect of that on his fitness.

Messi , more than any other player , has to really take care of his body...

The treatment which he undergoed for his Growth condition more than likely prematurely aged his his bones ie being overweight can cause real problems for him, especially considering the pressure that will be put on his joints week in week out as a professional footballer.

I apologise to all those who perceived my enquiry as an attempt to troll, although I am a bit confused as to how my questions and statements could've been interpreted that way.

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:01 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:The treatment which he undergoed for his Growth condition more than likely prematurely aged his his bones ie being overweight can cause real problems for him, especially considering the pressure that will be put on his joints week in week out as a professional footballer..

Got any evidence to back this up?
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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Albiceleste on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:34 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:The treatment which he undergoed for his Growth condition more than likely prematurely aged his his bones ie being overweight can cause real problems for him, especially considering the pressure that will be put on his joints week in week out as a professional footballer..

Got any evidence to back this up?
Who knew we had a genius doctor as a goal-legacy poster huh?

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Le Samourai on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:40 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:The treatment which he undergoed for his Growth condition more than likely prematurely aged his his bones ie being overweight can cause real problems for him, especially considering the pressure that will be put on his joints week in week out as a professional footballer..

Got any evidence to back this up?

Know side effects

Arthritis.
Carpal tunnel.

The arthritis is specifically the one that is most troubling

Links

http://ezinearticles.com/?Human-Growth-Hormone-Side-Effects&id=317973
http://www.21stcenturyhgh.com/human-growth-hormone-faq.htm

I am no expert , so take anything I say with a grain of salt, but messi should really take care here, the physical wear and tear of the unbelievable amount of football being played today alone could be enough to cause these diseases naturally, so it is even more worrying that he is vurnerable to them , even if he is just slightly vurnerable.He has had a few major injuries , and those things almost never truly 100 % heal, so you guys need to give him as much protection and rest as possible.

I really don't want to see him a shadow of his former self at 27 , the Madrid/Barca rivalry over the coming years could go down as The greatest years in football History, and alot of that is dependent on him, so I really hope he takes care of his body.

NB: About the "bone age" thing , I'm sorry about that, I misinterpreted a article , it was about the specific "bone ages" which best to administer the HGH treatment , not about the effects of HGH on "none age".The only other article I could find was a study on those over 60 , which found that HGH treatment accelerated "bone aging" , but I suppose that is not applicable to this discussion.

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Zealous on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:40 pm

Messi is fight obesity Sad

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Albiceleste on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:57 pm

@Zealous wrote:Messi is fight obesity Sad
It's a tough battle but with hard work and diet he will hopefully be able to start fitting through regular sized doors again.

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by _LMG_10_ on Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:30 am

I think the weight gain was specifically designed with Real madrid thuggery in mind. During the quad-classico of last season, he was hacked down endlessly by Real madrid thugs such as Pepe, Ramos, Alonso, and co.

This extra bulking up will help him. As a matter of fact, it has already helped him.

We all saw how he performed in the supercopa against Real Madrid. He somehow looked stronger and I think this resonated with the real madrid players, perhaps even mentality, as Pepe slipped and lost his footing allowing for a goal.

He's got some of the best trainers around him, and I'm sure they know what is the optimal physical condition for Leo. Let's not forget how much this kid is worth.

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Khaled on Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:02 am

So TROLLING is allowed Just in Barca Section!

GTFO!!!!

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by FennecFox7 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:59 pm

Actually, adding on more weight would only hamper his acceleration, but it doesn't since his natural balance is phenomenal. So he will just get stronger with out any down sides until he passes 178lbs or so. He won't jump for his life, but that's not really important..

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:53 am

22 goals and 11 assists in 17 games. Messi is well on his way to meet my expectations (60 goals).

I stated back in '09 how I wanted him to score 40 goals in 09-10, 50 in 10-11, 60 in 11-12 and 70 in 12-13.

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by FennecFox7 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:13 am

Insane stats, whatever the haters say about him, you can't deny the numbers

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by BarcaKizz on Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:21 am

Tbh... other than ragbirjosh's first post, which he later explained, there isn't much trolling.

Anyway, if you want an explanation Dani summed it up pretty well. Any Barca fan on here could point to photos at the beginning of the season that showed Messi had been working out and bulked up a bit. He hasn't put enough on to make him slower, he's just put a bit more muscle on his arms and upper body to help him combat physical tactics. I think its a great move by him.

Its only really the shirts which are unflattering. YTF haven't they changed the shirts yet? They shouldn't stay wet...
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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by alexjanosik on Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:42 pm

Nobody has been this lethal.
Not Pele,not Maradona,not Eusebio,not Cruyff,not Ronaldo,not anybody.
Nobody comes even close.

Haters may say whatever they want.
But right now we are watching the greatest to have played the game of football.
He wins us the league and CL this year and he is the GOAT.

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by RealGunner on Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:52 pm

If you combine his assists and goals,

he has contributed to 286 goals in 286 appearances for barca


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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by free_cat on Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:55 pm

@alexjanosik wrote:Nobody has been this lethal.
Not Pele,not Maradona,not Eusebio,not Cruyff,not Ronaldo,not anybody.
Nobody comes even close.

Haters may say whatever they want.
But right now we are watching the greatest to have played the game of football.
He wins us the league and CL this year and he is the GOAT.

Humm, you always defended that Cruyff was still above Messi. Why the change?

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by alexjanosik on Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:11 pm

@free_cat wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:Nobody has been this lethal.
Not Pele,not Maradona,not Eusebio,not Cruyff,not Ronaldo,not anybody.
Nobody comes even close.

Haters may say whatever they want.
But right now we are watching the greatest to have played the game of football.
He wins us the league and CL this year and he is the GOAT.

Humm, you always defended that Cruyff was still above Messi. Why the change?

That was before this season.But he has taken his game up another notch this season.
He is now one of the top 3 passers in the world.He has improved his freeekicks.
Also I dont know if you have noticed,but he now has a very good right foot.He can finish very well with it.
Not just finish but he has started controlling the ball with it(a lot of first touches you will see him do with his right nowadays where previously he would have tried his left),has started passing the ball with his right foot.
Plus he gets even more involved in play than last season.

All this while scoring 50 plus goals a season.As I mentioned he plays half the game in midfield,half the game in between the lines,makes 4,5 runs into the box every game and still manages to score a goal a game.
Add to that the phenomenal assist stats,the build play he participates him(he had somethiing like 95 passes last game with 95 % accuracy.That is just freakishly phenomenal),his extraordinary vision and last but not least his out of the world dribbling.

Combine all that and you get the most lethal player the game has ever seen.By some distance.
Still think Cruyff is better but if Messi wins the league and CL this season,he is number one for me.

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Khaled on Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:09 pm


`Messi Stats (2011/2012 - All competitions ):

`Goals: 22
(Left Foot: 16,Right Foot: 5, Headers: 1)
(Inside the box: 22 , Outside the box: 0)
(Open play:20 including Tap Ins:3 ,Free-Kicks: 0, Penalties: 2)

`Assists:Messi: 11 (12) + 2 penalties won.
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Messi Stats (Updated: 1/11/2011)

>>> Barcelona:


➫ Stats in all Competitions (Season 2011/2012):

`Matches Played: 17 matches (including 16 Starts)
- La Liga: 10 ( Starter: 9 )
- Champions League: 4 (Starter: 4)
- Copa del Rey: 0
- Spanish Super Cup: 2 ( Starter: 2)
- UEFA Super Cup: 1 ( Starter: 1)
- Clubs World Cup: 0

` Total Goals: 22 ( Penalties: 2/3)
- La Liga: 13
- Champions League: 5
- Copa del Rey: 0
- Spanish Super Cup: 3
- UEFA Super Cup: 1
- Clubs World Cup: 0

`Total Assists: 11 (12)
- La Liga: 6
- Champions League: 2 (3)
- Spanish Cup: 0
- Spanish Super Cup: 2
- UEFA Super Cup: 1
- Clubs World Cup: 0

( ) --> assists according to transfermarkt.de
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➫ Stats in All Competition ( Just in Year 2011):
- Matches: 48
- Goals: 48
- Assists: 25

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➫ Messi Stats ( Career)
- Number of Matches: 286 (Minutes: 21,252)
- 202 Goals
(112 Goals @ Home, 84 Away, 6 On Neutral Ground)
( Left foot : 161 - Right foot : 32 - Headers : 7 - Chest : 1 - Hand: 1)
- Assists: 84 (96)
- Career Ratio (Goals/Minutes played): 1 goal every 104 Minutes!!

`Note: Messi is 2nd topscorer in Barca's History
( Barca All Time Topscorer: Cesar Rodríguez 235 goals between 1942 &1955/ 235 goals: 195 goals in the League, 36 in the Cup and 4 in other competitions)
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➫ Messi Stats (Guradiola as a Coach in All Competitions since August 2008)
- Matches: 174 (Minutes: 14,375)
- Goals: 160
- Assists: 72

- Ratio (Goals/Minutes played): 1 goal every 90 Minutes!!
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➫ Messi Stats (Playing as CF "false 9" for Barcelona)
- Matches: 72
- Goals: 75
- Assists: 41
- Ratio (Goals): about 1 Goal/match
- Ratio (Goals+Assists): 1.54 (Goal or Assist) per match
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➫ Champions League:

- Matches: 60 (Minutes: 4,854)
- Goals: 42 (Club Record)
- Assists: 17
- Number of Goals in Champions League Finals: 2 ( scored in CL Final 2009 & CL Final 2011)
- Knock-Out stages Goals: 18 (CL Record joined by Raul)
- Ratio: 0.7 goal/match

`All-time CL Record for Raul 71 Goals " including 18 in Knock Out Stages" in 142 Matches.
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➫ La Liga:
- Matches: 187 (Minutes: 14,081 )
- Goals: 132
- Assists: 64
- Ratio: 0.7 goal/match

`Most goals scored in La Liga by a Barca player @FCBarcelona: 195 Goals by Cesar Rodriguez between (1942 &1955)
note: Cesar scored 226 goals in La Liga (195 @ Barca, 23 @ Granada, 3@Cultural Leonesa & 5 @Elche between 1940 & 1960, 5th in La Liga History)


` All-Time Topscorers:
1 Zarra (between 1940& 1955) 252 goals in 278 matches/ Ratio: 0.91 goal per match
2 Hugo Sanchez (1981–1994) 234 gaols in 347 matches/ Ratio: 0.67
3 Raul (1994–2010) 228 goals in 550 matches/ Ratio: 0.41
12 Samuel Eto'o(1998–2009) 162 goals in 280 matches/ Ratio: 0.58
14 David Villa (2003– ?) 158 goals in 270 matches/ Ratio: 0.59
19 Silvestre Igoa (1941–1956) 141 goals in 284 matches/ Ratio: 0.50
etc..
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➫ In all International Competition with Barca:
- Matches: 65
- Goals: 45 (Club record)
- Assists: 17
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➫ Copa del Rey:
- Matches: 26
- Goals: 17
- Assists: 4

`Most goals scored in Copa del Rey by a Barca player: Laszlo Kubala, 51 goals between 1951 &1961.
` All-Time Topscorers in Copa del Rey: 81 by Telmo Zarra between 1940 &1955.
`Most goals in a Copa del Rey Final: 4 by Telmo Zarra

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➫ Spanish Super Cup:
- Matches: 7
- Goals: 8 (all-time record, Raul is 2nd with 7 Goals)
- Assists: 2
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➫ UEFA Super Cup:
- Matches: 3
- Goals: 1
- Assists: 2
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➫ Clubs World Cup:
- Matches: 2
- Goals: 2 (Club Record)
- Assists: 0
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➫ Classico:
- Matches: 15
- Goals: 13
- Assists: 7

` All time topscorers in the Classico!
Di Stefano 18 goals - Raul 15 - Cesar, Gento, Puskas 14 - Messi 13.
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➫ Hat-tricks (Career):
- 1 Goal in one match: 77 times.
- 2 Goals "Double": 41.
- 3 Goals 'Hat-trick": 13.
- 4 Goals: 1.

More Details Updated on page 1!

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Re: 'The Messiah' - Lionel Messi

Post by Hamdyman on Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:37 am

Since the U20 world cup in the Netherlands some years ago, i always told all my friends "this kid will become the next big thing" by the end of the tournament i was thinking Leo Messi will put even Maradona's name to the test.. and here we are! he is a few stations before reaching his mid career, yet gave all football fans a portfolio worthy of 3 great players! Messi is a joy... him and the amazing current Barca make us wait "impatiently for the next match as soon as the 90 minutes are over ! We are witnessing a Legendary player in a Legendary squad. Aguante Leo, Visca Barca !
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Post by Khaled on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:57 am

➫ Messi Stats ( Career)
- Number of Matches: 286 (Minutes: 21,252)
- 202 Goals
(112 Goals @ Home, 84 Away, 6 On Neutral Ground)
( Left foot : 159, Right foot : 33, Headers : 8, Chest : 1, Left Hand: 1)
(Inside the box: 176 , Outside the box: 26)
(Open play: 180 ,Free-Kicks: 4, Penalties: 18)

- Assists: 84 (96)

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