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Post by Giovanni10 on Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:36 am

There is basically nothing to discuss here.

Ronaldo for direct free-kicks
Xabi/Ozil/Granero for set-piece delivery

no need to mess with a good thing!

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Post by vanDEEZ on Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:36 am

the few free kicks i have seen mesut take from tight angles and short range have been successful or troubling to the opposing team's defense.

letting ronaldo blast a million freekicks over the bar is not going to help ronaldo mentally when he is taking free kicks that are actually his range and game changing.
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Post by skali on Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:06 pm

I want Alonso to stop taking freekicks alltogether. His set pieces delivery is horrible, especially when it matters.

When we played all these Barca games I thought to myself, ok we should have great impact on set pieces, we have good headers, but for some reason we never once looked like scoring from any of them, with a few exceptions.

He just floats the ball too much, need a guy who is capable of more controlled delivery and much sharper, faster crosses. Baloon balls are easy to defend.
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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:17 pm

I think he hits them too hard when it's within a certain range... don't really need too much power on those as placement is more important. But that' just CR7: He likes to power everything.... although i see him make this great touch passes which lends one to believe he could easily play with some finesse if he wanted to.

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Post by Zealous on Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:43 pm

Yeah I know what you mean. He could just place it but then goes "Nah, I'm going to kick the sh*t out of this." LOL

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Post by Shamirr on Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:31 pm

The main thing is that he wants to take them and no one else is so vastly superior that they can take that privilege from him... Ozil is okay but i've seen nothing from him that makes me say he should take them. Xabi is not a short range FK taker and CR7 is better from distance, it's not broke don't try to fix it!

Now RC3 he should not of taken as many FK's as he did, I mean really I loved him but shocking FK taker...

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:36 pm

The only problem i have with CR7 FKs is when he starts skying all of them... that does nothing for the team, etc. He just needs to get it on target at the very least and the have the other forwards crash the goal for rebounds.

Sahin was one the better FK specialists in the Bundesliga. He has a rep for it. Xabi is another obvious one. I'm sure Ozil was a guru until he came to Madrid too.

On the really short ones, CR7 should defer to one of the other guys as there's no way the ball can dip that quickly with the pace and technique he uses.

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Post by Error on Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:59 pm

This topic need a bump.

Alonso proved today why he should be the free kick taker. Ronaldo can take care of penalties since it seems to be impossibile for him to hit on the goal when there is a wall.
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Post by Onyx on Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:00 pm

Yes he should.
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Post by Turok_TTZ on Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:11 pm

And this is my main hate on cr7 is at. *bleep* up all the setpieces, alonso does one, we score as a result. smart freekick > ball hitting the wall.

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Post by Zealous on Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:09 pm

"Ronaldo had 5 free kicks in 07/08, 5 in 08/09, 6 in 09/10 and 5 in 10/11, Could've been 6 if the Sociedad goal was credited to him.

He has been consistent with the amount he hits and always misses atleast 10-12 times the amount he scores.

Let's use one of the best in Juninho as a measuring stick for Free kicks converted, in 8 seasons at Lyon he had 43 free kicks. That's 5.37 a season. Since Ronaldo has become a desiganted free kick taker in 2007 he has 21 free kicks in 4 seasons. That's 5.21 a season.

So Ronaldo is virtually even with the widely pronounced greatest free kick specialist ever and you guys don't even want him to take them. lmao.

Now go count the goals that Xabi lobbing balls into the box over the last 4 seasons has produced. I think you'll be quite short of 22."

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Post by Thimmy on Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:23 pm

@Zealous wrote:"Ronaldo had 5 free kicks in 07/08, 5 in 08/09, 6 in 09/10 and 5 in 10/11, Could've been 6 if the Sociedad goal was credited to him.

He has been consistent with the amount he hits and always misses atleast 10-12 times the amount he scores.

Let's use one of the best in Juninho as a measuring stick for Free kicks converted, in 8 seasons at Lyon he had 43 free kicks. That's 5.37 a season. Since Ronaldo has become a desiganted free kick taker in 2007 he has 21 free kicks in 4 seasons. That's 5.21 a season.

So Ronaldo is virtually even with the widely pronounced greatest free kick specialist ever and you guys don't even want him to take them. lmao.

Now go count the goals that Xabi lobbing balls into the box over the last 4 seasons has produced. I think you'll be quite short of 22."

What's his free kick to goal ratio from set pieces just outside the box?

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Post by Zealous on Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:42 pm

I don't know you find out LOL

The point is that he his getting in a decent number of goals in a season from free kicks.

I hate the "ratio" argument so much. This isn't baseball, there is no penalty for missing. There is nothing to lose from a free kick and everything to gain.

I agree Xabi should take some free kicks every once in a while but Ronaldo is our main guy and for good reason.

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Post by Turok_TTZ on Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:19 am

@Zealous wrote:I don't know you find out LOL

The point is that he his getting in a decent number of goals in a season from free kicks.

I hate the "ratio" argument so much. This isn't baseball, there is no penalty for missing. There is nothing to lose from a free kick and everything to gain.

I agree Xabi should take some free kicks every once in a while but Ronaldo is our main guy and for good reason.

I'll put it this way: If cr7 took that freekick and not alonso, Higuain wud not have scored against Rayo today.
I prefer our cfs like Higuain or Benz to be given a chance to convert from a setpiece rather than watch as a chance gets shot to the wall, uttterly wasted.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:01 am

Juninho almost always hit the target... In fact, one the best dead ball kickers I have ever seen, let alone FKs. The number of rebounds that resulted in goals or corners were huge. CR7's not even in top 10 of the one's I've seen.

My beef with CR7... He just doesn't get the ball on target nearly enough. When he hits the wall or misses completely, it's a wasted opportunity in every sense. Like with all his other shots, accuracy is horrific. He relies on volume and, sooner or later, he's bound to get one.

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Post by Adit on Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:48 am

I dont agree with hitting the target crap btw.

Xavi almost always hits target but guess what it never results in goal.

It is easy to make a weak shot above wall and make a shot on target,but the amount of skill required to take it with correct amount of power,swing,and predict the trajectory and wall movement is insane.Infact freekick scoring is one of the toughest jobs around,thats why i admire beckham.


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Post by The Madrid One on Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:52 am

No need to over analyze the thing with statistics.

statistics might make cr7 look good and bad in different cases, but the key thing when it comes to football and freekicks along with it, is effectiveness, if alonso, ozil, sahin can make something out of an opportunity that ronaldo cant then let them take it.

experiment, because i cant remember the last vital goal ronaldo ever scored as a free kick, sure that 5.xxx number tells one thing but when it comes to a sole moment, you want to see what goes best, not just give the ball to ronny.

immediate things when i recall ozil with free kicks, accurate shots, get stopped by keeper, hit post, or miss by a bit.

alonso goal vs murcia, assist to benzema, free kick goals for spain, great use of free kicks, same with sahin.
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Post by Adit on Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:55 am

Btw Sahin is a tremendous freekick taker.Not sure Ronnie will allow him to take. Crying or Very sad

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:44 am

You're not always trying to score a direct goal necessarily on FKs, depending on where the ball is placed. For example, If it's very far, you're trying to get the ball to bounce or swerve in front of the GK so there's a rebound. If it's really close, you're going for the direct goal based on placement, not force usually, etc.

Bottom line is that you need to hit the target most times. If you don't, there's really no point lol. What possible good can happen???? lol.

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Post by H.A. on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:03 am

Problem with CR's fk's is they tend to go way off target. I though he fixed that in preseason/beginning of season when he was hitting the target a lot [even if they didn't go in. I would just like for Xabi [or ozil] to try there luck more often like today Very Happy

It will always benefit us when fk's get unpredictable [cross, swerve kick or ronaldo style dart shot]

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Post by huntsman on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:06 am

I think he should leave some for kaka (when he's playing) and only take the long range ones. When Sahin joins, then Sahin should start taking the mid and short range ones.
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Post by Kev on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:44 am

Anything on the right side, let Sahin/ Ozil have it.

Anything on an acute angle on the right side, let Alonso have it.

Anything really close to the box, let Kaka/ Ozil take it.

Anything straight on, from a medium to long distance, let CR7 take it.

Any indirect freekick, let Alonso take it.

That's how I think free kicks should be distributed.
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Post by huntsman on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:50 am

yeah that's a good distribution.
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:01 pm

CR !! have a break !! have a Kit Kat

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Post by SuperMAG on Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:11 pm

Benzema and Ozil has the most control & Curve in their shots, thus those 2 are the best candidates.

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Post by alexander mahone on Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:18 pm

Di Maria is probably the one that most often tries to curve the ball into the net and often on target or hit the post. He could be the candidate as well.
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