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Post by Adit on Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:40 pm

Lol Banega,i have watched all valencia games this and last year.He is as inconsistent as di maria though not that much.Over hyped player,the way he got benched for freaking GAGO for copa america was hillarious.Im pretty sure sahin is better than him and definitely has better sealing than him too.

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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:42 pm

Gosh we miss Sahin and Khedira. That just about tells the whole story of our recent struggles.

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Post by skali on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:22 pm

@Adit wrote:Lol Banega,i have watched all valencia games this and last year.He is as inconsistent as di maria though not that much.Over hyped player,the way he got benched for freaking GAGO for copa america was hillarious.Im pretty sure sahin is better than him and definitely has better sealing than him too.
Him not playing 'well' for Argentina is an idiotism of their coaches. They deploy a Mascherano, Cambiasso, Banega trio in midfield and expect creative influence. Imbeciles. Masch + Cambiasso are pure DM, no passing skills, Banega better but he is not a creative outlet, more of a water carrier transition player. So one of Masch + Cambiasso needed to go and keep Banega + a more creative player. Gago is certainly a better passer of the ball than Banega, but overall a worse player.
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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:23 pm

Pastore-banega-cambiasso and it would be all over...

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Post by Ganso on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:27 pm

Pastore as a CM?idk...

even so,they can have the best strikers and best midfielders in the world but their defense is still one of the worst if not the worst when it comes to comparing top NTs.
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Post by Error on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:28 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Gosh we miss Sahin and Khedira. That just about tells the whole story of our recent struggles.
We can't really miss Sahin when he hasn't played a single minute. We don't know what kind of impact he will have so how about we just wait before we say that we are missing him? And our draw against Racing had nothing to do with Khedira missing since whole team was awful and was unable to make a couple successful pass in row.
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Post by Adit on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:39 pm

@skali wrote:
@Adit wrote:Lol Banega,i have watched all valencia games this and last year.He is as inconsistent as di maria though not that much.Over hyped player,the way he got benched for freaking GAGO for copa america was hillarious.Im pretty sure sahin is better than him and definitely has better sealing than him too.
Him not playing 'well' for Argentina is an idiotism of their coaches. They deploy a Mascherano, Cambiasso, Banega trio in midfield and expect creative influence. Imbeciles. Masch + Cambiasso are pure DM, no passing skills, Banega better but he is not a creative outlet, more of a water carrier transition player. So one of Masch + Cambiasso needed to go and keep Banega + a more creative player. Gago is certainly a better passer of the ball than Banega, but overall a worse player.
Yes,but he is not a madrid quality.Agree on that ball carrier observation too.He doesnt have passing range or creative ability we want.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:54 pm

@Adit wrote:
Him not playing 'well' for Argentina is an idiotism of their coaches. They deploy a Mascherano, Cambiasso, Banega trio in midfield and expect creative influence. Imbeciles. Masch + Cambiasso are pure DM, no passing skills, Banega better but he is not a creative outlet, more of a water carrier transition player. So one of Masch + Cambiasso needed to go and keep Banega + a more creative player. Gago is certainly a better passer of the ball than Banega, but overall a worse player.
Yes,but he is not a madrid quality.Agree on that ball carrier observation too.He doesnt have passing range or creative ability we want.[/quote]

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not sure you are watching enough of him bro, it's greatest asset is his quality on long balls, lofted passes. he is very good at it, and as far as creativity is concerned, i'm not sure i understand what you are talking about...

If you talk about Vision, then he has plenty of it, just look at the passing lanes he finds when he plays.

He is inconsistent, but he is madrid quality, no doubt about it. kid is not even 24, so it's only normal.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:56 pm

@halamadrid2 wrote:well is that due to banega???

It's due to the way Valencia play football. they are top tier in europe in terms of passing football, ahead of us, so they have quality to give barcelona troubles, they can hold on to the ball and bypass the pressing with passing.

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Post by Adit on Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:03 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
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Him not playing 'well' for Argentina is an idiotism of their coaches. They deploy a Mascherano, Cambiasso, Banega trio in midfield and expect creative influence. Imbeciles. Masch + Cambiasso are pure DM, no passing skills, Banega better but he is not a creative outlet, more of a water carrier transition player. So one of Masch + Cambiasso needed to go and keep Banega + a more creative player. Gago is certainly a better passer of the ball than Banega, but overall a worse player.
Yes,but he is not a madrid quality.Agree on that ball carrier observation too.He doesnt have passing range or creative ability we want.

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not sure you are watching enough of him bro, it's greatest asset is his quality on long balls, lofted passes. he is very good at it, and as far as creativity is concerned, i'm not sure i understand what you are talking about...

If you talk about Vision, then he has plenty of it, just look at the passing lanes he finds when he plays.

He is inconsistent, but he is madrid quality, no doubt about it. kid is not even 24, so it's only normal.
He is not even better passer than Gago me thinks.He is a ball carrier type player than a ball distributing player.He will not start over any of khedira,xabi or sahin so obviously not a madrid quality addition.

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Post by EarlyPrototype on Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:08 pm

Banega is a possession keeper and ball winner. I think he is better than Khedira.

A Banega-Sahin partnership is master class.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:16 pm

I'm not interested into a back and forth on this, but Banega is one of the best passers in Spain. I can argue that Banega would be more influential to our game than Alonso is atm, doesnt mean that he is a better player in general, but his skillset might be more useful to us than alonso's.

It's never a good idea to always put players on a ladder, Banega can do things Alonso cant even dream of.


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Post by Adit on Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:21 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I'm interested not into a back and forth on this, but Banega is one of the best passers in Spain. I can argue that Banega would be more influential to our game than Alonso is atm, doesnt mean that he is a better player in general, but his skillset might be more useful to us than alonso's.

It's never a good idea to always put players on a ladder, Banega can do things Alonso cant even dream of.
that depends the way you are playing.at the moment we use xabi for ball distribution,and banega isnt better than xabi at it,not even close.Lets agree to disagree on passing part too,Gago was more effective as a distributor than banega.Lets not blame coaches here,gago played under the same coach and he actually did a great job.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:32 pm

That's the point, Banega can distribute just as well, it's not like Xabi is doing stuff out of this world week in and week out. He may not have the quality ground passes Alonso possesses, but Banega's mobility, technique and dribbling and ability to dribble forward and hold possession in the most sensible area of the pitch gives him a dimension Alonso doesnt have. That's precisely what i am touching on.


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Post by EarlyPrototype on Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:38 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Banega's mobility, technique and dribbling and ability to dribble forward and hold possession in the most sensible area of the pitch gives him a dimension Alonso doesnt have.

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