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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:23 pm

What do you think guys?

wonder coach last season is going through some tough times at the moment with Chelsea, and even the fans are starting to put him under fire.

out of the top 4, they are receiving a blazing hot Valencia with one of Spain best CF in great form, and can potentially end up in europa league.

Was Chelsea too big of a move for him?
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Post by TheRedStag Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:28 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What do you think guys?

wonder coach last season is going through some tough times at the moment with Chelsea, and even the fans are starting to put him under fire.

out of the top 4, they are receiving a blazing hot Valencia with one of Spain best CF in great form, and can potentially end up in europa league.

Was Chelsea too big of a move for him?

Well if Chelsea was too big, were should he have gone? Accrington Stanley?

Seriously though, his Porto side last year were excellent and I thought he would be a great manager for Chelsea. He needs more time, and a serious rethink about their defensive strategy.
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Post by jibers Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:28 pm

It's not about being to Big. It's about trying too hard to impleement his philosophy to early. Arsene didn't go to Arsenal and change them straight away. He took his time, played the EPL way, slowl;y changed Arsenals coaching and emphasis and then stuck with it. It took him almost 10+ years and it's not even complete.

AVB needs to get rid of a lot of players or give his youths a chance tbh. Porto are a bigger club than CHelsea for me anyways, they have history and actually won the CL.
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Post by Le Samourai Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:30 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What do you think guys?

wonder coach last season is going through some tough times at the moment with Chelsea, and even the fans are starting to put him under fire.

out of the top 4, they are receiving a blazing hot Valencia with one of Spain best CF in great form, and can potentially end up in europa league.

Was Chelsea too big of a move for him?

Went to the wrong leauge and the wrong team.

Should've stayed with Porto another season.......Porto of last season would've been competing for the CL this year.

Will end up managing Barca when Guardiola leaves and people will think he's special again Very Happy
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Post by jibers Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:31 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What do you think guys?

wonder coach last season is going through some tough times at the moment with Chelsea, and even the fans are starting to put him under fire.

out of the top 4, they are receiving a blazing hot Valencia with one of Spain best CF in great form, and can potentially end up in europa league.

Was Chelsea too big of a move for him?

Went to the wrong leauge and the wrong team.

Should've stayed with Porto another season.......Porto of last season would've been competing for the CL this year.

Will end up managing Barca when Guardiola leaves and people will think he's special again Very Happy

Laudrup says hi... :coffee:
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:32 pm

Porto's president warned him
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Porto president, Nuno Pinto da Costa, explained the departure of the man who was his coach until a few weeks ago, as the obsession of Villas-Boas with Mourinho.

"He has a complex and is always thinking about the ghost of Mourinho, and since Mourinho conquered the [Europa League] and the CL, he didnt want to continue for fear of not winning the same"

According to what the portuguese medias are revealing today, Pinto da Costa mentioned a converstaion he had with Villas-Boas, during which he justified his decision for leaving to Chelsea, for fear that the big clubs in europe would lose interest in him, if porto were to suffer a punishing defeat against Barcelona in Supercup, and if he didnt live up to the expectations in Champions league.

"He was afraid of losing by 3 or 4 goals to barcelona, but Mourinho received 5, yet didnt stop being the best in the world because of it."

In his opinion, the astronomical figures of the transfer -Chelsea bought out his 15M release clause and paid him 5M a year in wages- "helped", but weren't a fundamental reason for him to leave.

"I told him that in normal circumstances, at 33, he would be training Academica de Coimbra or Naval, and at 40, he would get to a great club, however, at 33 he had won with Porto already, and it would have been the opportunity to win even more titles."

Pinto da Costa, who has been heading Porto for 3 decades -the most successful time in the history of the club-, stressed that when we think about a great european club, "we dont think about Chelsea, but Real Madrid, Barcelona or Manchester."

In fact, he assured that he discussed with Villas-Boas the possibility that this season would be the last of Pep at Barcelona, and that the blaugranas would have been a perfect destination for him.

"But he was afraid of being compared to Mourinho and he left."


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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:33 pm

He's nothing like Mourinho and never has been......

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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:47 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

Well if Chelsea was too big, were should he have gone? Accrington Stanley?

Seriously though, his Porto side last year were excellent and I thought he would be a great manager for Chelsea. He needs more time, and a serious rethink about their defensive strategy.

He could have stayed where he was and take on the Champions League to try to beat all the big clubs. He gave his commitment to them, and then bailed.

@Jibers, yeah, Porto has more european history than Chelsea for sure. And i agree, he is going about it the wrong way, trying to change too much, too soon. But he was signed to play attractive football, so he has to.
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Post by Khaled Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:49 pm

jibers wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What do you think guys?

wonder coach last season is going through some tough times at the moment with Chelsea, and even the fans are starting to put him under fire.

out of the top 4, they are receiving a blazing hot Valencia with one of Spain best CF in great form, and can potentially end up in europa league.

Was Chelsea too big of a move for him?

Went to the wrong leauge and the wrong team.

Should've stayed with Porto another season.......Porto of last season would've been competing for the CL this year.

Will end up managing Barca when Guardiola leaves and people will think he's special again Very Happy

Laudrup says hi... :coffee:

Guardiola will stay for evaaaaaaaaaa coaching Barca :coffee:


I prefer Luis Enrique!
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Post by Zealous Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:55 pm

Hands off Laudrup, he's ours :coffee:
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Post by Guest Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:55 pm

I'd point to the geriatric lineup for Chelsea before anything else... Besides, i've always said that it's more important to try and never give up more than 1 goal than it is to score more than 1 goal. Until Chelsea get stingy defensively, they have very little chance... especially given that Torres, Drogba and Malouda stink, Anelka is out and Lukaku is too inexperienced.

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Post by Le Samourai Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:56 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Porto's president warned him
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Porto president, Nuno Pinto da Costa, explained the departure of the man who was his coach until a few weeks ago, as the obsession of Villas-Boas with Mourinho.

"He has a complex and is always thinking about the ghost of Mourinho, and since Mourinho conquered the [Europa League] and the CL, he didnt want to continue for fear of not winning the same"

According to what the portuguese medias are revealing today, Pinto da Costa mentioned a converstaion he had with Villas-Boas, during which he justified his decision for leaving to Chelsea, for fear that the big clubs in europe would lose interest in him, if porto were to suffer a punishing defeat against Barcelona in Supercup, and if he didnt live up to the expectations in Champions league.

"He was afraid of losing by 3 or 4 goals to barcelona, but Mourinho received 5, yet didnt stop being the best in the world because of it."

In his opinion, the astronomical figures of the transfer -Chelsea bought out his 15M release clause and paid him 5M a year in wages- "helped", but weren't a fundamental reason for him to leave.

"I told him that in normal circumstances, at 33, he would be training Academica de Coimbra or Naval, and at 40, he would get to a great club, however, at 33 he had won with Porto already, and it would have been the opportunity to win even more titles."

Pinto da Costa, who has been heading Porto for 3 decades -the most successful time in the history of the club-, stressed that when we think about a great european club, "we dont think about Chelsea, but Real Madrid, Barcelona or Manchester."

In fact, he assured that he discussed with Villas-Boas the possibility that this season would be the last of Pep at Barcelona, and that the blaugranas would have been a perfect destination for him.

"But he was afraid of being compared to Mourinho and he left."



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Perfectly Said.

People bought into all this Mourinhio 2.0 hype for absolutely no reason when they should've been saying Guardiola 2.0

I look at Chelsea and it's clear.....the same would've happened to Guardiola if he had gone to the PL.

One thing tho.....if Chelsea give him the chance.......just like Guardiola....he has too much class not to be able to adapt.IMO Chelsea are still on the way to a top 4 finish......and could achieve great things if they stick it out.


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Post by Pedram Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:08 pm

He's too one-dimensional unlike Mourinho. can't adapt himself to EPL style.
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Post by Guest Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:11 pm

Has anyone seen the odds for AVB to be fired before the end of the season

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:12 pm

Zealous wrote:Hands off Laudrup, he's ours :coffee:

Nah, you can have Luis Enrique banana
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Post by Guest Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:13 pm

Crimson wrote:Has anyone seen the odds for AVB to be fired before the end of the season

Dropping lower than a 2 dollar hooker

Seriously? Is Chelsea become the EPL version of the Galacticos Madrid? lol

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Post by McLewis Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:19 pm

I think I'll call this a sophomore slump for AVB.

Second year with a big club. He hit it out of the park in the first season and now he's come crashing back down to earth in the second. Nothing surprising about that if you also add in the woes that Chelsea were going through prior to his arrival.

Expectations following his exploits with Porto were unreasonably high imo. A lot of people expected him to just pick up where he left off in completely different surroundings and now they're surprised that the opposite has happened. It's quite amusing.

AVB needs time and the patience of the Chelsea hierarchy and the fans. It gets worse before it gets better in times like this.
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Post by stunt Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:40 pm

AVB has nothing to do with Mourinho. His style is completely different, he got lucky with Porto is what I'm seeing, he had the right players to play the style of football that he wanted, like pep has with Barca. He is much more similar to Pep Guardiola than to Mourinho, and that's the truth. He has said this himself. His main inspiration is Pep.

The same tactics dont work everywhere, and the football Pep and him try to play doesnt work in the EPL (atleast not as well as in other leagues).

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Post by The Messiah Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:47 pm

Where is Pep going....?

I dont understand.....?
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Post by Jonathan28 Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:48 pm

Idrisozet wrote:Where is Pep going....?

I dont understand.....?

There's stories going around that this may be Pep's last season, due to all the crap with Mourinho.
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Post by guest7 Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:49 pm

Ordinho10 wrote:
Idrisozet wrote:Where is Pep going....?

I dont understand.....?

There's stories going around that this may be Pep's last season, due to all the crap with Mourinho.

What? Becouse of Mou? Show sources... He was considiring leaving pre Mou too. He just wants to prove himself with a different team.
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Post by justdoit_ Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:50 pm

I'll say it; I think, man for man, FCP last season was far more talented than this current Chelsea side, especially in attack.

AVB will be fine, though. January window will help, for sure.
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Post by Zealous Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:51 pm

Pep will probably manage FC Tibet where he will use Buddhist monks as false nines and discuss tactics with the Dalai Lama.

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Post by Jonathan28 Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:52 pm

omarish wrote:
Ordinho10 wrote:
Idrisozet wrote:Where is Pep going....?

I dont understand.....?

There's stories going around that this may be Pep's last season, due to all the crap with Mourinho.

What? Becouse of Mou? Show sources... He was considiring leaving pre Mou too. He just wants to prove himself with a different team.

Yeah, all the crap that went on before the Clasico's last season took a toll on Pep, his health was even affected, he lost his hair too. He wants to take a LONG break going around the world learning more about football before coming back, probably with Man United or Arsenal.
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Post by Blue Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:07 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:What do you think guys?

wonder coach last season is going through some tough times at the moment with Chelsea, and even the fans are starting to put him under fire.

out of the top 4, they are receiving a blazing hot Valencia with one of Spain best CF in great form, and can potentially end up in europa league.

Was Chelsea too big of a move for him?

Well if Chelsea was too big, were should he have gone? Accrington Stanley?

Seriously though, his Porto side last year were excellent and I thought he would be a great manager for Chelsea. He needs more time, and a serious rethink about their defensive strategy.

tsh Liverpool fans with their history loving nonsense.

Managing Porto is not really a big stage, considering Porto has dominated that league like no other.

AVB has made some critical mistakes in his Chelsea career.

1. Trying to change Chelsea style so quickly: It shows naivety for him expecting to flawlessly change the style of the team in such a short time, especially without making major signing to the squad.

2. Way too many rotations: We have major changes in our starting squad in every game. Changing a team style so vastly with a lot of rotation is a horrible idea.

Overall he is shown his inexperience, but nonetheless i have faith in him.



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