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Post by zizzle Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:06 pm

"vast majority of the 183 countries and territories assessed score below five on a scale of 0 (highly corrupt) to 10 (very clean.) New Zealand, Denmark and Finland top the list, while North Korea and Somalia are at the bottom."

Top 10 "clean" countries:

New Zeland
Denmark
Finlad
Sweden
Singapore
Norway
Netherlands
Australia
Switzerland
Canada



Top 10 Corrupted Countries:

Somalia
North Korea
Myanar
Afghanistan
Uzebekstand
Turkmenstan
Sudan
Iraq
Haiti
Venzuela


Notable Rankings :

Libya 168
Ukraine 152
Russia 143
Lebanon 134 (should be even lower)
Syria 129
Iran 120
Mexico 100
Argentina 100
China 75
Italy 69
Israel 36
spain 31
USA 24
Qatar 22 scratch
Germany 14



http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/
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Post by TalkingReckless Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:25 pm

my country is missing from there....

everyone is corrupt there... from our army, to ISI, to policitans, to the President...

for neutrals in my country the best president is the one that steals the nations money but also does something in return..... unlike our current president who steals all our aid, and asks for more

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Post by zizzle Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:30 pm

then it's no coincidence that Pakistan is ranked 134th
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:45 pm

pakistan is strange

Most people ive met from there seem to be very upright and honest people

The government the opposite
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Post by 7amood11 Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:57 pm

No surprise that Libya is ranked so low. Some university students get "invited" to high-ranked jobs, maybe because they have a brother who knows Gaddafi's son's cousin's friend or some crap like that. I have a relative who got such an offer, but declined.

Near the end of this year's revolution, the Libyan Transparency Association was formed to help curb the corruption that was heavily present in the Gaddafi era. I can see our country's rating dramatically change within the next 3-4 years.
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Post by TalkingReckless Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:46 pm

zizzle wrote:then it's no coincidence that Pakistan is ranked 134th

it's too low i would rank it in the top 10 worst

Yuri Yukuv wrote:pakistan is strange

Most people ive met from there seem to be very upright and honest people

The government the opposite

the problem in Pakistan is people are greedy & jealousy...Jealousy is a big problem in Pakistan

Indians on the other hand are people patriotic, and will always help their own people....Indians aboard are always willing to hire their own people

While many Pakistani aboard will do nothing for you..


many of the politicians in Pakistan come from bad backgrounds...for example the President atm used to sell black market movie tickets with his dad outside theaters when he was young.....and he wasn't democratically elected his Party won but he made himself the party leader after his wife dead...because he said his wife (Bhutto) left a will which made him the President and his son (18 years old at that time) the future leader.....and with the help of US, all of his corruption charges were pardoned by Musharraf,


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Post by Adit Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:44 pm

India is corrupted too but the thing is our democratic system will not allow any day light robberies and the chance that you will get caught later is around 75% i will say,lot of politicians are getting caught lately lol Laughing
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Post by Babun Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:29 pm

Every country has corrupt structures in it but the pricing is different eco smile Officials are paid well in Germany so to bribe them you'd need connections and a fortune eco smile Most of the people can't do it so the rate is a lot lower eco smile
In a country like Pakistan for example, I don't think that their average official earns enough money so they earn 'extra' from bribing or other mischieves at the side eco smile
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:34 pm

I would have expected China to be ranked a lot lower.
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Post by Babun Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:48 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I would have expected China to be ranked a lot lower.
China punish hard systematically if caught eco smile
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Post by TalkingReckless Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:51 pm

in china if a official or Big Time CEO's are found guilty of corruption.... it the death penalty for them....

but that don't mean there isn't corruption...people are afraid of the police there but if you have the right type of $$ anything can be done....
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Post by Senor Penguin Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:07 am

I wish I knew what factor made Denmark score lower than New Zealand

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Post by zizzle Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:54 am

2nd is cool dont be greedy
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Post by Sushi Master Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:21 am

Venezuela = 172

Only beaten by ex Soviet republics, countries in civil war, under occupation or in totalitarian regimes.

¡Patria, Socialismo o Muerte! Laughing
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Post by Senor Penguin Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:44 am

zizzle wrote:2nd is cool dont be greedy
I'm just wondering what incidents happened which they weighed the rankings on.

I'm guessing the reason we have little corruption is because we've got a lot of bureaucracy, a large welfare sector (probably amongst the biggest in the world, which I guess ensures people don't become desperate and cheat through the system), good democratic traditions with appropriate transparency and a pretty unified population (which can be negative sometimes, because it hinders individualism).

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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:29 pm

Senor Penguin wrote:
zizzle wrote:2nd is cool dont be greedy
I'm just wondering what incidents happened which they weighed the rankings on.

I'm guessing the reason we have little corruption is because we've got a lot of bureaucracy, a large welfare sector (probably amongst the biggest in the world, which I guess ensures people don't become desperate and cheat through the system), good democratic traditions with appropriate transparency and a pretty unified population (which can be negative sometimes, because it hinders individualism).

Lol, the index measures perceptions of corruption and not corruption itself.
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Post by Senor Penguin Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:15 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:
Senor Penguin wrote:
zizzle wrote:2nd is cool dont be greedy
I'm just wondering what incidents happened which they weighed the rankings on.

I'm guessing the reason we have little corruption is because we've got a lot of bureaucracy, a large welfare sector (probably amongst the biggest in the world, which I guess ensures people don't become desperate and cheat through the system), good democratic traditions with appropriate transparency and a pretty unified population (which can be negative sometimes, because it hinders individualism).

Lol, the index measures perceptions of corruption and not corruption itself.
True that but what incidents made people perceive corruption? That's what I wonder. Usually when there's any kind of link to corruption it becomes a giant media fest here and I can't recall any. Usually it's the media which gives birth to such corruption perceptions.

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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:52 pm

The sad thing about the ranking: What do all the "clean countries" have in common?

Exactly, nobody lives there. iE tiny population. Sad
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Post by beatrixasdfghjk. Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:13 am

Well I live 'there' Sad.

The index measures perception of corruption, but if no one thinks you're corrupted, then you can't really be, can you?
Unless your country constitutes of tosspots.

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Post by RedOranje Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:02 am

VivaStPauli wrote:The sad thing about the ranking: What do all the "clean countries" have in common?

Exactly, nobody lives there. iE tiny population. Sad
No one lives in the US? confused
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:43 am

Denmark and Canada in top 10 :coffee:

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Post by beatrixasdfghjk. Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:48 am

RedOranje wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:The sad thing about the ranking: What do all the "clean countries" have in common?

Exactly, nobody lives there. iE tiny population. Sad
No one lives in the US? confused
But US is 24, that's not good enough for him Mad.

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Post by Senor Penguin Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:28 am

Sepi wrote:Denmark and Canada in top 10 :coffee:
Best country in Europe and best country in America :bow:

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Post by VivaStPauli Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:11 pm

RedOranje wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:The sad thing about the ranking: What do all the "clean countries" have in common?

Exactly, nobody lives there. iE tiny population. Sad
No one lives in the US? confused

Place 24 just has to be a disappointment for the country that fancies it the home of the free.

My point is that alle the top 10 nations are either tiny, like Singapore, or have very little inhabitants, like Australia, meaning apparently as soon as the number of people to be managed gets high enough, tons of them start falling through the cracks.

And then, not being corrupt doesn't mean justice. Singapores laws are quite oppressive, and sometimes not very fair, but the officials sure as hell aren't bending them to dish out personal favors.

Yes, in that context place 24 is probably impressive with over 300 million inhabitants, just like place 14 should be impressive for Germany with over 80 million citizens. But the aim for the Western Democracies should clearly be to form the top 10 by themselves, considering their ambition.

But, well, I guess money talks. :coffee:
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Post by Liikeri Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:02 pm

Meh, Scandinavia rules.

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