Who has had the biggest influence on Barcelona's recent success?

The Chelsea-Barca game was the biggest farce in club footballing history.

Van Gaal and Ronaldinho

supra969 wrote:^van gaal

You insist on this??

Idrisozet wrote:Van Gaal and Ronaldinho

Another ignorant of Barça history...

free_cat wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:Van Gaal and Ronaldinho

Another ignorant of Barça history...

Van gaal was hated and is still today derailed fr trying to make barca Dutch. Some even think that's the case of his dispute with Cruyff.

Van Gaal and Ronaldinho set the stone for Barcelona success.

I dont have any reason to explain that, go and search it up yourself.

Who they hell gave Xavi, Poyul and Iniesta their first team break through, who started all this and made this team, I will say Van Gaal

Ronaldinho made Messi, he learnt from Ronaldinho... call me dump but that's how I see it.

jiopsi wrote:

harhar11 wrote:Øvrebø the biggest myth in world football history

It's actually funny how deluded people are of that match. The first penalty should went for Barca from Ballack handball at 4 minutes:



Goal from that and it would have completely changed the game, not to mention red for Abidal for passing a player.

The gif is effin hilarious LMFAO.

Very, very interesting question. When I opened the thread, I assumed that it would just be a list of players, with Messi as the other answer, and players like Xavi or Iniesta as subjective answers, but the inclusion of Guardiola makes it a bit more interesting.

I'd have to go for Guardiola. I know Messi has been incredible over the past few seasons, however it's debatable whether he would been able to perform to as high a level as he has if Guardiola had not built an incredible team of players around him, helped Messi to maintain his fitness, which one was a problem, and built a team which centred around Messi. The last one is important. When Messi came in, many would have still looked to out of form stars like Ronaldinho as the key men. Guardiola made a wise decision by getting rid of Ronaldinho though, with Messi being the potent attacking player.

For me, Barcelona wouldn't be where they are now without Guardiola at the helm. Without Messi though, they could have still had as much success. It would have been a much taller order, but it would have still been an achievable goal for them.

Idrisozet wrote:Van Gaal and Ronaldinho set the stone for Barcelona success.

I dont have any reason to explain that, go and search it up yourself.

Who they hell gave Xavi, Poyul and Iniesta their first team break through, who started all this and made this team, I will say Van Gaal

Ronaldinho made Messi, he learnt from Ronaldinho... call me dump but that's how I see it.

Ok, yeah, Van Gaal made Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta and VV the first team break through. But does that really matter? They would have probably made it anyway, after all, next coaches picked them too. After Van Gaal, barça sucked for some seasons, you know? He did ok from 97 to 99, but his second stint with us was horrible.

Oh, and Lol at Ronaldinho teaching Messi. Maybe he taught him how to play the bongos, but nothing else.

Idrisozet wrote:Van Gaal and Ronaldinho set the stone for Barcelona success.

I dont have any reason to explain that, go and search it up yourself.

Who they hell gave Xavi, Poyul and Iniesta their first team break through, who started all this and made this team, I will say Van Gaal

Ronaldinho made Messi, he learnt from Ronaldinho... call me dump but that's how I see it.

Messi was born like this

Close one, but Ovrebo edges Stark for me.

Pep Guardiola after seeing this thread commented on the official web-site

Pep Guardiola: Barcelona would not be where it is without Lionel Messi

In comments reported on the club’s official website, he said: ”I don’t think there has ever been a player in history that can do what he manages to do every three days. It’s unthinkable.

“People buy tickets just to see him play and he is doing something unique. To find a player that has managed to be so consistent for four years. Who is so fit, who fights so hard as him. I’ve never seen anything like it, such consistency. Perhaps I’m too young, but I never played with anybody like him and I have never coached a player like that either.

“He is a better player than anybody else, he has a gift.

Guardiola said Messi was well aware of the regard in which he’s held throughout the club.

“[Messi] knows very well what we all think, all of the coaching staff, the people that look after him, and the other players.

“We are all delighted with what he does, has done and will do. And of course nothing that we have done would have been possible without him. He is a different kind of player, his stats make him different and he lets you win games at all levels.

“There is never a game in which he doesn’t generate play. It’s undebatable as far as we’re concerned. If there is any debate, then so be it, but it doesn’t weaken him and it won’t weaken him.”

Billionmillion we get it messi is a god hes not human happy now?

Tom Henning Øvrebø of the sextuple - the man that kicked off the sextuple for Barca. I have never seen a person dictate the tempo as well as this man. He took control of the game against Chelsea and his decision making was spot on. Probably Barcelona player of the year in 2009. His tempo control would make Xavi blush with envy.

Messi, without a doubt. Obviously Cruyff and Guardiola has had their big parts but believe me when I say Guardiola wouldn't even be able to turn this monster team to half this monster without Messi...

ronaldinho

Michel Platini.

Cruyff.

It's without a doubt Messi. when he plays for Barca you feel there are 12 players in the field.

This could have been a really good thread but putting the Refs in here is just disgusting. I mean when everyone asks who the best coach is and people say SAF do they bring up the constant favoring the refs gave him and his teams. It's just stupid to do.

Also it's funny how people talking about Overbo forget that there was a whole game previous to that one as it was a two game affair. And Chelsea decided to park the bus like I have never seen before and we had some legit goals disallowed not to mention getting a player sent off in the final game by Overbo but that doesn't fit naive people agenda's.

Some of you really need to grow up.

Also LOL at the people who voted for Stark. Pepe deserved to get thrown out in pretty much every game vs Barca last year and some games he deserved to get thrown out 3 or 4 different times.

The people who voted for him are probably the same people who thought Messi should have be given a second yellow last Clasico and tossed from the game, but Stark was bad for Tossing Pepe. Such Hypocrites.

Ronaldo IMO.

GUARDIOLA

dnmac4 wrote:This could have been a really good thread but putting the Refs in here is just disgusting. I mean when everyone asks who the best coach is and people say SAF do they bring up the constant favoring the refs gave him and his teams. It's just stupid to do.

Also it's funny how people talking about Overbo forget that there was a whole game previous to that one as it was a two game affair. And Chelsea decided to park the bus like I have never seen before and we had some legit goals disallowed not to mention getting a player sent off in the final game by Overbo but that doesn't fit naive people agenda's.

Some of you really need to grow up.

Also LOL at the people who voted for Stark. Pepe deserved to get thrown out in pretty much every game vs Barca last year and some games he deserved to get thrown out 3 or 4 different times.

The people who voted for him are probably the same people who thought Messi should have be given a second yellow last Clasico and tossed from the game, but Stark was bad for Tossing Pepe. Such Hypocrites.

Jibers was just kidding about overbo dude

Currently

Guardiola and essi ar number one,
Ovrebo of the sextuple as number two

I'd love to say Guardiola and I think he is probably tied with Messi, but Messi edges it out for me just because I'm not sure where Barca would be without him, meanwhile a good top class coach probably could have won a couple leagues and MAYBE a CL but I'm not sure.

They wouldn't have been anywhere near where Guardiola is that's for sure.

jibers wrote:

Tom Henning Øvrebø of the sextuple - the man that kicked off the sextuple for Barca. I have never seen a person dictate the tempo as well as this man. He took control of the game against Chelsea and his decision making was spot on. Probably Barcelona player of the year in 2009. His tempo control would make Xavi blush with envy.

lenear1030 wrote:

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