Serie A Mid-Season Table Analysis

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btw why every1 underestimates Juve so much ?

DeviAngel wrote:btw why every1 underestimates Juve so much ?

Past seasons / lack of game winners / small coach / low quality back ups

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:btw why every1 underestimates Juve so much ?

Past seasons / lack of game winners / small coach / low quality back ups

So in 2007 over the pasts season we should have been title favorites ?

small coach and yet we have no defeat he ain't small coach actually he is doing very well allegri b4 Milan had nothing in his career from trophies if I am not mistaking and look what he did. Conte is getting Juve back to Juve

Elia,Krasic,Quagliarella low quality back ups ?

nvm

DeviAngel wrote:

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:btw why every1 underestimates Juve so much ?

Past seasons / lack of game winners / small coach / low quality back ups

So in 2007 over the pasts season we should have been title favorites ?

small coach and yet we have no defeat he ain't small coach actually he is doing very well allegri b4 Milan had nothing in his career from trophies if I am not mistaking and look what he did. Conte is getting Juve back to Juve

Elia,Krasic,Quagliarella low quality back ups ?

nvm

By passed seasons I meant being near the top until January, then flopping hard. Has happened in consequential years now. What has changed? Sure Conte is proving to be more competent than Del Neri or Ferrara or Zaccheroni, but he has never been in charge of a big side, let alone competent or expereinced enough to lead a Scudetto challenge.

I am not saying Juventus cannot do it, I am just stating the reasons as to why people are doubting Juventus, I don't necessarily believe in all of them myself. Yeah people did doubt Allegri, but he had perhaps the strongest forward line in world football, how tough can it be? Conte does not have the same privilege at Juventus.

Marco Motta, Fabio Grosso, Amauri

Elia, Krasic, Quagliarella and by no means the three they once were. Elia has enormous potential, but his head is not screwed on. Seems to have little motivation and is plagued by injuries. Similar to this, Krasic is also having many problems and the two together seem to have more of a negative than positive impact on the squad. A quality and deep bench has players that can seemlessly slip into the starting XI with little to no quality lost, not players that only get 20 minutes of a Coppa Italia tie and at the moment, both Elia and Krasic fall into that second category and it is no surprise their future at the club is not secure. Again, quality back ups aren't forced out of a club, they are kept as a vital part of the squad.

Quagliarella is a quality and class player who I would welcome at my club, but is he the level of Robinho, Cassano or Pato (three players who one of often shares a seat next to Allegri)? No, they are not. And Quags is probably Juve's best coming off the bench. Pazienza, De Ceglie, Iaquinta, Toni are all players who should be nowhere near a Scudetto winning team's bench, let alone be part of a rotation system. Juventus are very lucky they do not partake in European competition, it would only highlight their lack of depth and kill their Scudetto challenge early.

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:btw why every1 underestimates Juve so much ?

Past seasons / lack of game winners / small coach / low quality back ups

So in 2007 over the pasts season we should have been title favorites ?

small coach and yet we have no defeat he ain't small coach actually he is doing very well allegri b4 Milan had nothing in his career from trophies if I am not mistaking and look what he did. Conte is getting Juve back to Juve

Elia,Krasic,Quagliarella low quality back ups ?

nvm

By passed seasons I meant being near the top until January, then flopping hard. Has happened in consequential years now. What has changed? Sure Conte is proving to be more competent than Del Neri or Ferrara or Zaccheroni, but he has never been in charge of a big side, let alone competent or expereinced enough to lead a Scudetto challenge.

I am not saying Juventus cannot do it, I am just stating the reasons as to why people are doubting Juventus, I don't necessarily believe in all of them myself. Yeah people did doubt Allegri, but he had perhaps the strongest forward line in world football, how tough can it be? Conte does not have the same privilege at Juventus.

Marco Motta, Fabio Grosso, Amauri

Elia, Krasic, Quagliarella and by no means the three they once were. Elia has enormous potential, but his head is not screwed on. Seems to have little motivation and is plagued by injuries. Similar to this, Krasic is also having many problems and the two together seem to have more of a negative than positive impact on the squad. A quality and deep bench has players that can seemlessly slip into the starting XI with little to no quality lost, not players that only get 20 minutes of a Coppa Italia tie and at the moment, both Elia and Krasic fall into that second category and it is no surprise their future at the club is not secure. Again, quality back ups aren't forced out of a club, they are kept as a vital part of the squad.

Quagliarella is a quality and class player who I would welcome at my club, but is he the level of Robinho, Cassano or Pato (three players who one of often shares a seat next to Allegri)? No, they are not. And Quags is probably Juve's best coming off the bench. Pazienza, De Ceglie, Iaquinta, Toni are all players who should be nowhere near a Scudetto winning team's bench, let alone be part of a rotation system. Juventus are very lucky they do not partake in European competition, it would only highlight their lack of depth and kill their Scudetto challenge early.

Alegri had and has great attack one of the strongest in the world but Conte has one of the best midfield in the world. Subs are meant to be subs ... PDC,Pazienza and fit Iaquinta are good enough to be bench players

DeviAngel wrote:

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:btw why every1 underestimates Juve so much ?

Past seasons / lack of game winners / small coach / low quality back ups

So in 2007 over the pasts season we should have been title favorites ?

small coach and yet we have no defeat he ain't small coach actually he is doing very well allegri b4 Milan had nothing in his career from trophies if I am not mistaking and look what he did. Conte is getting Juve back to Juve

Elia,Krasic,Quagliarella low quality back ups ?

nvm

By passed seasons I meant being near the top until January, then flopping hard. Has happened in consequential years now. What has changed? Sure Conte is proving to be more competent than Del Neri or Ferrara or Zaccheroni, but he has never been in charge of a big side, let alone competent or expereinced enough to lead a Scudetto challenge.

I am not saying Juventus cannot do it, I am just stating the reasons as to why people are doubting Juventus, I don't necessarily believe in all of them myself. Yeah people did doubt Allegri, but he had perhaps the strongest forward line in world football, how tough can it be? Conte does not have the same privilege at Juventus.

Marco Motta, Fabio Grosso, Amauri

Elia, Krasic, Quagliarella and by no means the three they once were. Elia has enormous potential, but his head is not screwed on. Seems to have little motivation and is plagued by injuries. Similar to this, Krasic is also having many problems and the two together seem to have more of a negative than positive impact on the squad. A quality and deep bench has players that can seemlessly slip into the starting XI with little to no quality lost, not players that only get 20 minutes of a Coppa Italia tie and at the moment, both Elia and Krasic fall into that second category and it is no surprise their future at the club is not secure. Again, quality back ups aren't forced out of a club, they are kept as a vital part of the squad.

Quagliarella is a quality and class player who I would welcome at my club, but is he the level of Robinho, Cassano or Pato (three players who one of often shares a seat next to Allegri)? No, they are not. And Quags is probably Juve's best coming off the bench. Pazienza, De Ceglie, Iaquinta, Toni are all players who should be nowhere near a Scudetto winning team's bench, let alone be part of a rotation system. Juventus are very lucky they do not partake in European competition, it would only highlight their lack of depth and kill their Scudetto challenge early.

Alegri had and has great attack one of the strongest in the world but Conte has one of the best midfield in the world. Subs are meant to be subs ... PDC,Pazienza and fit Iaquinta are good enough to be bench players

You have absolutely 0 midfield backup.

Milanfan7 wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:btw why every1 underestimates Juve so much ?

Past seasons / lack of game winners / small coach / low quality back ups

So in 2007 over the pasts season we should have been title favorites ?

small coach and yet we have no defeat he ain't small coach actually he is doing very well allegri b4 Milan had nothing in his career from trophies if I am not mistaking and look what he did. Conte is getting Juve back to Juve

Elia,Krasic,Quagliarella low quality back ups ?

nvm

By passed seasons I meant being near the top until January, then flopping hard. Has happened in consequential years now. What has changed? Sure Conte is proving to be more competent than Del Neri or Ferrara or Zaccheroni, but he has never been in charge of a big side, let alone competent or expereinced enough to lead a Scudetto challenge.

I am not saying Juventus cannot do it, I am just stating the reasons as to why people are doubting Juventus, I don't necessarily believe in all of them myself. Yeah people did doubt Allegri, but he had perhaps the strongest forward line in world football, how tough can it be? Conte does not have the same privilege at Juventus.

Marco Motta, Fabio Grosso, Amauri

Elia, Krasic, Quagliarella and by no means the three they once were. Elia has enormous potential, but his head is not screwed on. Seems to have little motivation and is plagued by injuries. Similar to this, Krasic is also having many problems and the two together seem to have more of a negative than positive impact on the squad. A quality and deep bench has players that can seemlessly slip into the starting XI with little to no quality lost, not players that only get 20 minutes of a Coppa Italia tie and at the moment, both Elia and Krasic fall into that second category and it is no surprise their future at the club is not secure. Again, quality back ups aren't forced out of a club, they are kept as a vital part of the squad.

Quagliarella is a quality and class player who I would welcome at my club, but is he the level of Robinho, Cassano or Pato (three players who one of often shares a seat next to Allegri)? No, they are not. And Quags is probably Juve's best coming off the bench. Pazienza, De Ceglie, Iaquinta, Toni are all players who should be nowhere near a Scudetto winning team's bench, let alone be part of a rotation system. Juventus are very lucky they do not partake in European competition, it would only highlight their lack of depth and kill their Scudetto challenge early.

Alegri had and has great attack one of the strongest in the world but Conte has one of the best midfield in the world. Subs are meant to be subs ... PDC,Pazienza and fit Iaquinta are good enough to be bench players

You have absolutely 0 midfield backup.

GAbriel Appelt the BArzilian magician who every friendly has 2 assist he couldn't play until jan because he was 17, Luca Marrone all that saw that match vs Bologna know what I talk about but Gabriel is class yes yougn and unproven but he will get shot plus if Monto comes we are there

but no matter what we have one of the best midfields in the world

@Devi, I would agree about having one of the best Midfield starters, but your backup choices are not as good.

DeviAngel wrote:
GAbriel Appelt the BArzilian magician who every friendly has 2 assist he couldn't play until jan because he was 17, Luca Marrone all that saw that match vs Bologna know what I talk about but Gabriel is class yes yougn and unproven but he will get shot plus if Monto comes we are there

but no matter what we have one of the best midfields in the world

So you are justifying the notion that Juventus' starting midfield has adequate backup by saying that you have two promising youngsters in your squad? Appelt and Marrone may be something in the future, but if a long-term injury was to occur to one of the starters, neither of the two would be able to cover the role performed to an acceptable extent.

Monotolivo would go a long way to fixing this issue in the squad.

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:
GAbriel Appelt the BArzilian magician who every friendly has 2 assist he couldn't play until jan because he was 17, Luca Marrone all that saw that match vs Bologna know what I talk about but Gabriel is class yes yougn and unproven but he will get shot plus if Monto comes we are there

but no matter what we have one of the best midfields in the world

So you are justifying the notion that Juventus' starting midfield has adequate backup by saying that you have two promising youngsters in your squad? Appelt and Marrone may be something in the future, but if a long-term injury was to occur to one of the starters, neither of the two would be able to cover the role performed to an acceptable extent.

Monotolivo would go a long way to fixing this issue in the squad.

I wholeheartedly agree because this squad was built to play a 4-4-2/4-2-4 but due to the play of Vidal, Marchisio and Pirlo the formation had to change to function.
Montolivo and Appelt being promoted and January really does go a long way- both moves would satisfy me.

mr.galliani wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:
GAbriel Appelt the BArzilian magician who every friendly has 2 assist he couldn't play until jan because he was 17, Luca Marrone all that saw that match vs Bologna know what I talk about but Gabriel is class yes yougn and unproven but he will get shot plus if Monto comes we are there

but no matter what we have one of the best midfields in the world

So you are justifying the notion that Juventus' starting midfield has adequate backup by saying that you have two promising youngsters in your squad? Appelt and Marrone may be something in the future, but if a long-term injury was to occur to one of the starters, neither of the two would be able to cover the role performed to an acceptable extent.

Monotolivo would go a long way to fixing this issue in the squad.

what IF whole squad injuries ? What IF we were in the UCL ?
That remains IF my friend all players started as promising youngsters ADP did,Buffon did ...

Monto will be solution that we need, we were build for 4-2-4 but Conte saw that 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are better options so he switched ...

The best thing has been Udinese, shutting some people up who were adamant the club was going to collapse and even get relegated.