Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
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Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
http://1nildown2oneup.net/the-time-is-now-for-a-two-striker-system-at-arsenal-heres-how/
What do you think? Do we have the players to play with such a system? Would it work? How well would Theo fit in this formation? And other players.
Could we use it this Saturday? Please discuss pros and cons.
What do you think? Do we have the players to play with such a system? Would it work? How well would Theo fit in this formation? And other players.
Could we use it this Saturday? Please discuss pros and cons.
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Re: Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
We like to have possession and control the pace of the game, 4-3-3 allows us to do that. Also the players we have in the team are much more suited to this formation, Jack,Diaby,Cazorla,Arteta etc
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Re: Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
Most formations in that article can't work. Reason being Arteta isn't a natural Defensive Midfielder and limiting him to prevent counter attacks will be poor tactics of us. He needs a partner next to him. 4-1-3-2 would be good if you have Makelele, Flamini, Gilberto, Alou or someone like that as the DM.
If we put wilshere next to him, that will be 4-2-2-2 which is a shit formation.
A formation i do like is 4-3-1-2 and we have the players for it as well to use in the midfield for example
-----------Diaby----Arteta-------Wilshere------
------------------------Cazorla--------------------
------------Giroud----------------Theo-----------
However that would mean dropping the likes of Podolski, Oxlade, Gervinho for a long time.
If we put wilshere next to him, that will be 4-2-2-2 which is a shit formation.
A formation i do like is 4-3-1-2 and we have the players for it as well to use in the midfield for example
-----------Diaby----Arteta-------Wilshere------
------------------------Cazorla--------------------
------------Giroud----------------Theo-----------
However that would mean dropping the likes of Podolski, Oxlade, Gervinho for a long time.
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Re: Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
Wouldn't mind dropping them tbh, that's a sick formation. Needs better fullbacks though.
Besides Podolski and Gervinho could play as strikers and Chamberlain as AM in that formation, coming from the bench.
Besides Podolski and Gervinho could play as strikers and Chamberlain as AM in that formation, coming from the bench.
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Re: Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
There's a clamour to revert back to 4-4-2 every season and I argue the same thing every year: it is not the most suitable for Arsenal at this stage.
That article has a good argument about the 4-4-2 being a very flexible formation and about a need to switch things up, but he's saying it could work with Arteta as the main holding player and is pointing to examples of successful 4-4-2's that have world class defensive midfielders like Makelele and Gilberto as reasons to return to 4-4-2.
Arteta has been great, but he's no Makelele or Gilberto. He's not Mathieu Flamini, either. He's a deep-lying playmaker with defensive responsibility, but even he is not an out-and-out defensive midfielder and to ask him to perform such a role would not end up well, especially if he has Jack Wilshere beside him as his main partner. Arteta excels in his current role because he has two other midfielders with him to share some of workload.
Furthermore, your wingers need to be able to regularly beat players with the ball and play in a direct way, which is not Podolski's or Cazorla's style. For what Man United have always lacked in the centre of the park, they've always had two quality wingers who provide quality service for quality strikers. If Arsenal were to play 4-4-2 now, they would have a striker on the left, a playmaker on the right and two unproven goalscorers up front.
The reason why 4-4-2 worked so well in 07/08 was because Rosicky and Hleb were so direct and van Persie and Adebayor were good strikers. Then there was Walcott and Eduardo as alternatives.
4-3-3/4-2-3-1 just suits the squad better. People are far too quick to blame the formation when the team is not performing. Our formation isn't the reason we can't break teams down and playing with two strikers instead of one does not suddenly mean we're going to score more goals.
The only other formations I would consider us playing is 3-5-2 and 4-3-1-2, but we would need better fullbacks to make them work.
That article has a good argument about the 4-4-2 being a very flexible formation and about a need to switch things up, but he's saying it could work with Arteta as the main holding player and is pointing to examples of successful 4-4-2's that have world class defensive midfielders like Makelele and Gilberto as reasons to return to 4-4-2.
Arteta has been great, but he's no Makelele or Gilberto. He's not Mathieu Flamini, either. He's a deep-lying playmaker with defensive responsibility, but even he is not an out-and-out defensive midfielder and to ask him to perform such a role would not end up well, especially if he has Jack Wilshere beside him as his main partner. Arteta excels in his current role because he has two other midfielders with him to share some of workload.
Furthermore, your wingers need to be able to regularly beat players with the ball and play in a direct way, which is not Podolski's or Cazorla's style. For what Man United have always lacked in the centre of the park, they've always had two quality wingers who provide quality service for quality strikers. If Arsenal were to play 4-4-2 now, they would have a striker on the left, a playmaker on the right and two unproven goalscorers up front.
The reason why 4-4-2 worked so well in 07/08 was because Rosicky and Hleb were so direct and van Persie and Adebayor were good strikers. Then there was Walcott and Eduardo as alternatives.
4-3-3/4-2-3-1 just suits the squad better. People are far too quick to blame the formation when the team is not performing. Our formation isn't the reason we can't break teams down and playing with two strikers instead of one does not suddenly mean we're going to score more goals.
The only other formations I would consider us playing is 3-5-2 and 4-3-1-2, but we would need better fullbacks to make them work.
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Re: Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
It would be definitely bring better out of players like Walcott, Podolski or Chamakh.. But cant be sure that it will be good for the team.. Will we be able to hold defensively..? We may struggle for width because we dont have good wide players who can put in crosses..
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Re: Time to return to 2 strikers formation?
Playing with Two CMs will not work in Europe nor against Big EPL teams who play with Three CM's. The team with Three CM's will be able to control the midfield and that without supply the two strikers will be of no use. The 4-4-2 will make us even more vulnerable to counter-attacks.
After diaby was injured Arteta is having a hard time being the Midfield enforcer, and the reason for this is, his style of play is not suited for that role. I also think he lacks the Physical Strength or Speed to play that position in the EPL. We are missing Song's presence now.
When arsenal played the 4-4-2 the last time, our play was based on counter attacks and speedy wingers, with the Two CM position occupied by two Defensive minded players ( Vieira and Edu/Gilberto). Unless to return to a wing based play with two Defensive CM, the 4-4-2 will fail.
After diaby was injured Arteta is having a hard time being the Midfield enforcer, and the reason for this is, his style of play is not suited for that role. I also think he lacks the Physical Strength or Speed to play that position in the EPL. We are missing Song's presence now.
When arsenal played the 4-4-2 the last time, our play was based on counter attacks and speedy wingers, with the Two CM position occupied by two Defensive minded players ( Vieira and Edu/Gilberto). Unless to return to a wing based play with two Defensive CM, the 4-4-2 will fail.
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