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Post by Lunatic Fringe Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:58 pm

he was absolutely inspiring again today, unbelievable against rubin, another 2 assists, absolutely on top of his game. can't believe i read comments about gotze being better than mata. that's absolutely nuts at this point. i'll go as far as saying mata is the world's best CAM right now.

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Post by VivaStPauli Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:11 pm

Yeah I'm sure he was pretty boss in that EL match against Kazan... Very Happy
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Post by Albiceleste Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:18 pm

He's up there with Cesc and Iniesta I'd say.

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Post by Casciavit Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:20 pm

Top 3.

He's better then Goetze

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Post by Lunatic Fringe Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:22 pm

i would put ineista ahead of him on the basis that ineista is more experienced, has won more and has done more internationally but on current form, he is up there with ineista, he's certainly ahead of gotze at the moment.

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Post by futbol Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:24 pm

World's best central midfielder with 21 minutes for Spain in competitive games in the last 2 seasons, despite Spain playing a 4-6-0 system. Laughing

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Post by the xcx Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:24 pm

Hes good lad, on par with Michu imo.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:29 pm

michu is a forward, and i'm talking about central 'attacking' midfielders not central midfielders. big difference.

and he doesn't play for spain because del bosque sticks to a system that works.

he's better than ozil right now for sure. not his fault that his team mates have let him down this season in ucl.

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Post by the xcx Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:31 pm

Michu is an AM and forward. I guess Mata tops the ACM list since, there are barely any players that occupy that position anyway. How much do you see managers use an centre midfielder in advanced attacking position anyway?
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Post by futbol Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:38 pm

Lunatic Fringe wrote:and he doesn't play for spain because del bosque sticks to a system that works.

He's behind Cazorla and Silva in the pecking order. Evidence is the recent Finland WC qualifier in which Cazorla and Silva started and Mata didn't with Xavi's and Xabi's injuries. He also got dropped from the squad alltogether earlier this season. Your explanation?


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Post by Lunatic Fringe Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:38 pm

barely any players?

ozil, fabregas, modric, vdv, mata, sneijder, cazorla, silva, etc, etc, etc all play CAM

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Post by Valkyrja Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:44 pm

Ozil is clearly better, and the best AM in the world. Gotze is more of a SS IMO. Top 3 IMO.
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Post by the xcx Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:47 pm

Im surprised to see Özil, Snejider, Silva and Vdv being portrayed as an ACM but watevs each their own I guess.
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Post by Blue Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:14 am

futbol wrote:World's best central midfielder with 21 minutes for Spain in competitive games in the last 2 seasons, despite Spain playing a 4-6-0 system. Laughing

So?

I also seem to recall Torres was a starter going to the Euros. Was he better then Llorente, Soldado, Negredo,etc?

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Post by Onyx Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:17 am

Modric is a CM and Fabregas plays either the same position as Iniesta or as a false 9. I think Silva plays as a RAM, the position Mata played in before.

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Post by Sushi Master Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:09 am

No mention of Kroos?
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Post by juventus101 Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:13 am

Wow, this again.

Mata is a great player, but nowhere close to being the best in his position. Ozil, Iniesta, Gotze, Kroos, Fabregas, and Silva are all clearly above him. Top 10 is a safe bet, but nowhere close to being #1.
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Post by juventus101 Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:16 am

Blue wrote:
futbol wrote:World's best central midfielder with 21 minutes for Spain in competitive games in the last 2 seasons, despite Spain playing a 4-6-0 system. Laughing

So?

I also seem to recall Torres was a starter going to the Euros. Was he better then Llorente, Soldado, Negredo,etc?

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Torres wasnt a starter going into the Euros. He won his place by playing well. He was actually the Top scorer in the Euros.
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Post by McAgger Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:29 am

Iniesta, Ozil, Gotze >>>>>>
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:53 am

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Iniesta, Ozil, Gotze >>>>>>

Not this season.... Iniesta is the only argument you can make and he hardly plays AM if we are honest.
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Post by McAgger Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:55 am

I might agree with Ozil not being his best, but Gotze for me has been >>>
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Post by Rebelles.REUS.rex Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:12 am

By far the most assist 30+? from top 5 leagues with Torres only converting 5% of his chances
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Post by Lunatic Fringe Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:33 am

he is incomparable at this point, he's making world class performances of the highest quality seem like absolutely nothing, he's hardly inconsistent, his decision making in the final third is almost always right and unlike his rival players (like gotze against malaga) he doesn't have bad games where he misplaces passes and misses chances, his ratio of dribbles completed, passes completed, key passes, goals and assists are better than everybody right now.

he's had 2 seasons at chelsea and maybe he's found the right team to display his ability but he's gone on another level, and having seen silva for 3 seasons, he's no where near consistent enough to be compared, gotze is just a kid who's got immense talent but is still very inconsistent. ozil is also tremendously inconsistent and not as big a goal threat and hasn't had the best season. mata has about 30 assists and 18 goals, he's also got a shit load of stamina for a small man. he's played 55 + games this season without getting injured.

and in terms of ability? mata has as much if not more ability than all the players mentioned. he goes past players with absolute ease and hardly gets phased when facing three players ahead of him.

easily top 3. the only person i rate above mata is ineista.

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Post by julias Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:51 am

Why the hell are people talking about Fabregas being better than Mata on current form, Fabregas has been playing like crap for like a whole year now
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Post by billy_gr Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:24 am

^ this
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