Re: Game of Thrones - Part 2

by McAgger Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:51 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:I'm re-reading the red wedding chapter right now -

"A man in dark armor and a pale pink cloak spotted with blood stepped up to Robb. "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." He thrust his longsword through her son's heart, and twisted"

Much better than the show's drive-through killing

Btw why is it only 10 episode per season? a show this big and good should have been at least 12-14.

I imagine it's very expensive.

by RealGunner Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:56 pm

Can anyone confirm that the Finale will be an hour long like last year ?

Please let it be

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:58 pm

RealGunner wrote:Can anyone confirm that the Finale will be an hour long like last year ?

Please let it be

It better be.

When does season 4 start, anyway?

by McAgger Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:00 pm

YES. I can confirm. It will be longer than the usual episodes.

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:02 pm

New avatar. Jon Snow for the Iron Throne! :bow:

by RealGunner Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:10 pm

Blue Barrett wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Can anyone confirm that the Finale will be an hour long like last year ?

Please let it be
It better be.

When does season 4 start, anyway?

Jan 2014

by guest7 Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:42 pm

They're 10 episodes per season becouse the CGI costs them 6 million per episode.

Anyway, glad he died. He was a horrible king and this way Jon Snow can become the king of the north and honestly he seems like the better king. Robb was a crap king and they would have lost the war with him in command

by Tomwin Lannister Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:44 pm

Jan 2014 wot.

I'll be dead before the TV show finishes ffs.

by RealGunner Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:05 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:Jan 2014 wot.

I'll be dead before the TV show finishes ffs.

Well TWD is back in October if you watch that. That will finish just in time for GoT season 4.

There is breakin bad in august i think

by RealGunner Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:05 pm

Se7en wrote:They're 10 episodes per season becouse the CGI costs them 6 million per episode.

Anyway, glad he died. He was a horrible king and this way Jon Snow can become the king of the north and honestly he seems like the better king. Robb was a crap king and they would have lost the war with him in command

Jon Snow can't become the king of the north as he isn't a stark.

by McAgger Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:08 pm

So what do you guys think was the main reason behind The North's downfall??

Robb's lust and naivety, Catelyn letting go of Jaime, Stark's pride and honor, Lannister's exceptional wits, Melisander's witchcraft, or other??

by Tomwin Lannister Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:29 pm

I guess if you look at it directly it's Robb not going through with the marrying the Frey daughter.

Obviously none of that would have happened had be been married to her instead.

Not killing Jamie was a *bleep* stupid move. If I was Robb I'd have killed him ASAP knowing that he's not your average man and could end up getting out.

by McAgger Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:35 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:I guess if you look at it directly it's Robb not going through with the marrying the Frey daughter.

Obviously none of that would have happened had be been married to her instead.

Not killing Jamie was a *bleep* stupid move. If I was Robb I'd have killed him ASAP knowing that he's not your average man and could end up getting out.

You have to remember though to the best of Robb's knowledge both of his sisters were Lannister captives, so he couldn't simply kill the Kingslayer without his sisters being butchered as well.

by guest7 Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:00 pm

Robb did multiple things wrong tbh, in particular, breaking his promise to the Frey and losing an important army becouse of it

But killing Rickard Karstark aswell was stupid, and he lost even more bannermen even if his army was already to small to win the war.

ultimately his bad decisions were the reason hundreds of men died including himself, his lover and his mother. remains to be seen what happens with the north now tbh, if lannisters are smart they captilize on this and crush them now

by Blue Barrett Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:37 pm

Lannisters' wit tbh.

by Swanhends Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:18 pm

McAgger wrote:So what do you guys think was the main reason behind The North's downfall??

Robb's lust and naivety, Catelyn letting go of Jaime, Stark's pride and honor, Lannister's exceptional wits, Melisander's witchcraft, or other??

All of the above

by RealGunner Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:22 pm

Same for me

However Robb is to blame for his own demise. Probably the biggest culprit.

Tywin destroyed him in ever possible way. Robb was like a bramble to Tywin's messi.

The only person who can go head to head with wits against Tywin is Tyrion for me

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:43 pm

Zealous wrote:I didn't finish the books yet so I'm staying the fck away from that thread lol

Where are you at in the books?

by SaintJoe Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:09 pm

McAgger wrote:So what do you guys think was the main reason behind The North's downfall??

Robb's lust and naivety, Catelyn letting go of Jaime, Stark's pride and honor, Lannister's exceptional wits, Melisander's witchcraft, or other??

Breaking the oath. If a king backs down on a promise, not only is he setting a terrible example, he's asking for serious problems.
Killing Karstark was acceptable for the charge of treason, but he spared his mom for the same charge ffs

Had he not done these two actions, he'd have quite the army now (not to mention being alive). Maybe even enough to face Tywin. Still think he'd lose anyway though, Tywin is just too much to handle.

I'm actually curious to see who's going to take down Tywin. He's the ruler of Westeros now :bow:

I'd say old age, but in this universe that seems implausible. What worries me is how Jaime will deal with the fact Cersei has an arranged marriage with Loras Tyrrel. I hope he doesn't do something drastic to protect her... again. Live forever Tywin :bow:

by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:30 pm

I'd actually argue that one of the biggest failures was not trusting Edmure with the plan of attack. Robb had Tywin cornered but Edmure moved away chasing Gregor Clegane which allowed Tywin to escape.

If Tywin was forced to fight Robb in open battle he would have lost. Robb at that point in time was well on his way to becoming a mythical figure in the north, that's how good he was at battle. If Robb had been winning the war the red wedding wouldn't have happened imo. Waldur Frey betrayed Robb because he didn't want to be on the losing side. Of course as a king Robb should have honoured his promise and married Rosalin as well but he would have totally gotten away with it if he was winning the war.

However if Robb would have beat Tywin then Stannis would have sacked King's landing and Sansa may have been in great danger as a result. Also had Stannis won the battle of blackwater bay then he would have set his sights on Robb the usurper.

Which brings us to what I think is the biggest failure. Robb should have supported Stannis's claim to the throne just like Ned did but he let his bannermen convince him to do something ridiculous. An alliance between Robb and Stannis would have crushed the Lannisters and the Tyrells would not join the losing side so they would have joined Stannis as well. Stannis would have ensured that Sansa and Arya would be returned safely and Robb would not have needed to send Theon to his dad which would have avoided Winterfell being taken.

So yeah not supporting Stannis was a ridiculous decision imo.

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:33 pm

The biggest factor was overestimating the influence Theon would have over Balon Greyjoy and leaving Winterfell undefended. Also as soon as it became "King of the North" then what's the point of continuing the war in the South? Just go to the North and defend it. It has never been breached before dragons.

by RealGunner Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:34 pm

Zealous wrote:
Which brings us to what I think is the biggest failure. Robb should have supported Stannis's claim to the throne just like Ned did but he let his bannermen convince him to do something ridiculous. An alliance between Robb and Stannis would have crushed the Lannisters and the Tyrells would not join the losing side so they would have joined Stannis as well. Stannis would have ensured that Sansa and Arya would be returned safely and Robb would not have needed to send Theon to his dad which would have avoided Winterfell being taken.

So yeah not supporting Stannis was a ridiculous decision imo.

Couldn't agree more

by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:37 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:The biggest factor was overestimating the influence Theon would have over Balon Greyjoy and leaving Winterfell undefended. Also as soon as it became "King of the North" then what's the point of continuing the war in the South? Just go to the North and defend it. It has never been breached before dragons.

Politically speaking it made sense though. Balon could have had Casterly Rock at his mercy had he accepted the alliance with Robb but as we know the ironborn operate by different rules. The need to "pay the iron price" among the Greyjoys is well documented.

by Tomwin Lannister Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:38 pm

RealGunner wrote:
Zealous wrote:
Which brings us to what I think is the biggest failure. Robb should have supported Stannis's claim to the throne just like Ned did but he let his bannermen convince him to do something ridiculous. An alliance between Robb and Stannis would have crushed the Lannisters and the Tyrells would not join the losing side so they would have joined Stannis as well. Stannis would have ensured that Sansa and Arya would be returned safely and Robb would not have needed to send Theon to his dad which would have avoided Winterfell being taken.

So yeah not supporting Stannis was a ridiculous decision imo.

Couldn't agree more

by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:38 pm

RealGunner wrote:
Zealous wrote:
Which brings us to what I think is the biggest failure. Robb should have supported Stannis's claim to the throne just like Ned did but he let his bannermen convince him to do something ridiculous. An alliance between Robb and Stannis would have crushed the Lannisters and the Tyrells would not join the losing side so they would have joined Stannis as well. Stannis would have ensured that Sansa and Arya would be returned safely and Robb would not have needed to send Theon to his dad which would have avoided Winterfell being taken.

So yeah not supporting Stannis was a ridiculous decision imo.

Couldn't agree more

There is one problem with supporting Stannis though. No body likes Stannis Laughing

If only Renly was the older brother, he was loved by his bannermen Sad

by Zealous Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:39 pm

Tribal politics ffs Proud

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