Rooney not World Class

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:He's 100% correct and its something me and a few others have said on this forum before.

Rooney is a failed talent for all intensive purposes.... he's had a great career but his lack of professionalism compared to his peers has meant he's not reached the level he should have done.

A lot of people don't seem to remember the talent gap between Rooney and Ronaldo when they both first joined Man Yoo.... it was huge.

At the time everyone considered Rooney the better player.... difference was Ronaldo worked his ass off to become a top 3 player of his era minimum while Rooney felt like he'd done it at 19 years old.

Its really a shame, but having said all of this he's still a great player just someone who could have been much better.

Its a shame really.

You should have just quoted jibers

The year after CR left, Rooney absolutely exploded and probably had his best career year. He was playing CF, he was the main guy, everything was going through him and he was enjoying himself.

Then Fergie decided to sign RVP to push Rooney further back again. That broke him i think. I always interpreted Rooney asking Fergie to sign a player like Ozil because he truly didnt want to play that role again. He wanted to continue being the main guy, making the difference with his goals.

A lot of his issues at man yoo recently stem from that i think. If United are smart they sell RVP and let Rooney do his thing with Mata in support behind him.

The_Badger wrote:
You should have just quoted jibers

I hadn't seen Jibers post tbh, just saw OP and formed a reply.

Would have saved me some time

When played properly, Rooney still is one of the best in the world. Like Fusball said, he's better than the likes of Cavani and Falcao

Actually I'm surprised Madrid never showed interest in him, even when he was handing in transfer requests. Apart from his ability he also has huge marketability. He's still the face of Manchester United. Maybe Ronaldo doesn't like him.

Valkyrja wrote:Like Fusball said, he's better than the likes of Cavani and Falcao

Don't know about being better, but he's certainly more versatile than both of them

I don't quite know what Barton has done to get so much attention for his thoughts in different media, but, like most people, I'm saying he is right about Rooney.

He's an excellent player, but you can just tell that he could be even better, that he hasn't trained as hard as he could have, whereas Ronaldo is about the opposite. Then again, looking at those two men, I'm inclined to think Ronaldo has the better genes to be a top, top athlete. Somehow I can't quite imagine ever seeing a guy with Rooney's looks in the 100 metres Olympics final. He just doesn't look like someone who is born to be an athlete.

Anyway, I remember Ferguson saying that Rooney was always the type of player who needed to be playing a lot, probably referring both to his tendency to gain weight and his motivation to rather play than train.

Art Morte wrote:I don't quite know what Barton has done to get so much attention for his thoughts in different media, but, like most people, I'm saying he is right about Rooney.

He's an excellent player, but you can just tell that he could be even better, that he hasn't trained as hard as he could have, whereas Ronaldo is about the opposite. Then again, looking at those two men, I'm inclined to think Ronaldo has the better genes to be a top, top athlete. Somehow I can't quite imagine ever seeing a guy with Rooney's looks in the 100 metres Olympics final. He just doesn't look like someone who is born to be an athlete.

Anyway, I remember Ferguson saying that Rooney was always the type of player who needed to be playing a lot, probably referring both to his tendency to gain weight and his motivation to rather play than train.

By quoting Voltaire and Nietzsche a lot on Twitter it seems.

Mr Nick09 wrote:The year after CR left, Rooney absolutely exploded and probably had his best career year. He was playing CF, he was the main guy, everything was going through him and he was enjoying himself.

Then Fergie decided to sign RVP to push Rooney further back again. That broke him i think. I always interpreted Rooney asking Fergie to sign a player like Ozil because he truly didnt want to play that role again. He wanted to continue being the main guy, making the difference with his goals.

A lot of his issues at man yoo recently stem from that i think. If United are smart they sell RVP and let Rooney do his thing with Mata in support behind him.

Rooney was pushed back to #10 well before RVP arrived, it was the reason we were so interested in Sneijder forever then SAF just decided to push rooney back and play him behind Welbeck and Hernandez and Berbatov.

jibers wrote:100% agree with him. While Ronaldo put his head down and trained, Rooney put his head down and tucked into Mccdonalds. When they were coming up its obvious Rooney had more talent. Rooney seems worse than when he was a teenager. If Rooney had ROnaldos dedication his career would be a different story. It's obvious to anyone that actually followed United when they both joined. Talent does not mean you are better player. There are so many other intangibles that make you a great footballer. This 'talent' talk means *bleep* all  tbh. Rooney should look back at his career with either regret or delight with how he managed to con United to giving him 3ook a week.

Honours

Club

Manchester United
Premier League (5): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Community Shield (3): 2007, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Individual
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
PFA Premier League Team of the Year (3): 2005–06, 2009–10, 2011–12
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
Goal of the Season (3): 2004–05, 2006–07, 2010–11
Goal of the Month (6): October 2003, January 2005, April 2005, January 2007, March 2007, February 2011
Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year (1): 2002
Bravo Award (1): 2003
UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (1): 2004–05
Premier League Player of the Month (5): February 2005, December 2005, March 2006, October 2007, January 2010
Barclays Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12):
Best Goal (vs. Manchester City, 12 February 2011)
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (1): 2008
England Player of the Year (2): 2008, 2009
Golden Boot Landmark Award 20 (1): 2009–10
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (1): 2011

What a regrettable career.

Fußball wrote:Rooney has been mismanaged. In recent years I see him lingering around in central midfield playing long balls to the wings because United's best central midfielder is still a 40 year old converted winger. I mean look at his career. When Ronaldo was there he was being shunted to the wings and playing a second fiddle role. After Ronaldo left SAF didn't bother to strenghten the team and let them decline. And now they have Moyesiah.

This.

He's carried United for far too long, and he's been played in the wrong position for most of the time. And yet you have people claiming he doesn't have it in him/hasn't trained enough, he's played in almost EVERY position a manager has asked for at 100%.

He's on the same level as Luisito, the only difference between the two is Suarez' workrate. Although to be fair, Luis has arguably the best workrate in the world.

Red Alert wrote:

jibers wrote:100% agree with him. While Ronaldo put his head down and trained, Rooney put his head down and tucked into Mccdonalds. When they were coming up its obvious Rooney had more talent. Rooney seems worse than when he was a teenager. If Rooney had ROnaldos dedication his career would be a different story. It's obvious to anyone that actually followed United when they both joined. Talent does not mean you are better player. There are so many other intangibles that make you a great footballer. This 'talent' talk means *bleep* all  tbh. Rooney should look back at his career with either regret or delight with how he managed to con United to giving him 3ook a week.

Honours

Club

Manchester United
Premier League (5): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Community Shield (3): 2007, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Individual
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
PFA Premier League Team of the Year (3): 2005–06, 2009–10, 2011–12
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
Goal of the Season (3): 2004–05, 2006–07, 2010–11
Goal of the Month (6): October 2003, January 2005, April 2005, January 2007, March 2007, February 2011
Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year (1): 2002
Bravo Award (1): 2003
UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (1): 2004–05
Premier League Player of the Month (5): February 2005, December 2005, March 2006, October 2007, January 2010
Barclays Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12):
Best Goal (vs. Manchester City, 12 February 2011)
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (1): 2008
England Player of the Year (2): 2008, 2009
Golden Boot Landmark Award 20 (1): 2009–10
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (1): 2011

What a regrettable career.

His career would have been so much more if he had Ronaldo's dedication. You probably could have added a Balon D Or, European Golden Boot or another CL to that list.

What are you people on about?
 
How is it NOT dedication if he pretty much plays wherever the manager instructs him too for THE TEAM? He EXCELS whatever position he plays. If anything, the reason he didn't "reach his expectations" or "failed talent" was because he's been too orientated on doing what's good for his club.

@M99 on the previous page on a post that's too long to quote because of its quotes:

Probably his career could have been even better, but it hasn't been regrettable, either.


@Red Albert:

People are not questioning Rooney's dedication to do what he is instructed to do, but his willingness and motivation to train as hard as other top players do. The comparison between Ronaldo and Rooney is a pretty perfect one in that regard. Cristiano has worked his ass off to reach and maintain an incredible level of athleticism to help his game, Rooney hasn't.

Red Alert wrote:

jibers wrote:100% agree with him. While Ronaldo put his head down and trained, Rooney put his head down and tucked into Mccdonalds. When they were coming up its obvious Rooney had more talent. Rooney seems worse than when he was a teenager. If Rooney had ROnaldos dedication his career would be a different story. It's obvious to anyone that actually followed United when they both joined. Talent does not mean you are better player. There are so many other intangibles that make you a great footballer. This 'talent' talk means *bleep* all  tbh. Rooney should look back at his career with either regret or delight with how he managed to con United to giving him 3ook a week.

Honours

Club

Manchester United
Premier League (5): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Community Shield (3): 2007, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Individual
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
PFA Premier League Team of the Year (3): 2005–06, 2009–10, 2011–12
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
Goal of the Season (3): 2004–05, 2006–07, 2010–11
Goal of the Month (6): October 2003, January 2005, April 2005, January 2007, March 2007, February 2011
Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year (1): 2002
Bravo Award (1): 2003
UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (1): 2004–05
Premier League Player of the Month (5): February 2005, December 2005, March 2006, October 2007, January 2010
Barclays Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12):
Best Goal (vs. Manchester City, 12 February 2011)
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (1): 2008
England Player of the Year (2): 2008, 2009
Golden Boot Landmark Award 20 (1): 2009–10
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (1): 2011

What a regrettable career.

doesnt mean shit

he could have been ballon d'or quality

Winning the league 5 times and the CL "doesnt mean shit"? Really?

This forums obsession with the Ballon D'Or is ridiculous.

not to mention he is bound to become a historic clubs all time goal scorer passing a absolute legend in Charlton

Rooney dat scrub

Red Alert wrote:Winning the league 5 times and the CL "doesnt mean shit"? Really?

This forums obsession with the Ballon D'Or is ridiculous.

well of course those achievements are impressive

but for his standards he could have been ballon d'or quality

The standards for the Ballan D'Or changes every year ffs.

Not too mention Rooney plays in 5 different positions a season and Fergie never really built the team around him. (I think he did in one season, and then went onto buy RVP the year after...)

Art Morte wrote:

People are not questioning Rooney's dedication to do what he is instructed to do, but his willingness and motivation to train as hard as other top players do. The comparison between Ronaldo and Rooney is a pretty perfect one in that regard. Cristiano has worked his ass off to reach and maintain an incredible level of athleticism to help his game, Rooney hasn't.

So there's no willingness or motivation to train and learn new positions for the good of the team and help them being successful challenging for titles season in season out?

Before I say anything, I'm not criticizing Ronaldo here, but let's just put this in perspective using your own comparison. Ronaldo worked his ass off to follow his dream move to Madrid; he's not really "won" much since going there. Football is not an individual game. All of Ronaldo's efforts and determination was for himself; Rooney's wasn't.

To some he'll be World Class, to others he won't, it's subjective. A player doesn't need to win the Ballon d'or in order to be World Class imo.

He's one of the best forwards in the World and he would do better if he always played as a striker.

Rooney ballon d'or quality? since when did Rooney even get close to the top 5 lmao
stop overrating his abilities, he is world class to not be better then Ronaldo is not an insult.. many are not better then him.

They are talking about talent wise.... look at Rooney when he exploded on the scene and you will then realise why people believe he should have been much more than he's become.

And he should have been.

Donuts wrote:Rooney ballon d'or quality? since when did Rooney even get close to the top 5 lmao
stop overrating his abilities, he is world class to not be better then Ronaldo is not an insult.. many are not better then him.

the whole argument is that he could have won the ballon d'or if he had been more focused.

you think he would surpass Messi?
he was overrated to all hell because of his nationality and what league he played in.

Donuts wrote:you think he would surpass Messi?
he was overrated to all hell because of his nationality and what league he played in.

excuse me but who rates english players?