Re: The Bundesliga Thread

by BAYERN_MUNICH Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:06 am

urbaNRoots wrote:Things getting real and fast at BVB.

Ji was sold back to Augsburg

And Kevin Kampl signed!!! Although 6 months too late. Fantastic signing! Now sell scrubs like Ramos, Mkhitaryan etc... and replace them accordingly.

You can add Gündogan,Hummels,Ginter,Weidenfeller,Großkreutz and Kagawa to your scrubs list too, measured by their performances this season.

by urbaNRoots Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:42 am

I did not create my list based on this half-season alone though. Mkhitaryan has been shit since he was signed even if some BVB fans try to deny it. He's not creative and is supposed to be a great goalscorer, but he hasn't scored enough. €25m flop. Sell ASAP. Kagawa and Kampl as replacements sounds good enough, Gündogan can play CAM aswell.

Ramos was crap to begin with, I have no idea what Klopp/Zorc were thinking. I can see potential in Immobile even if he has been poor but another striker is needed.

Kehl is a poor player and old aswell, Bender is injury-prone. New defensive midfielder needed.

Durm is poor, Schmelzer is average (good backup). New LB needed.

And finally Weidenfeller is finished, Langerak is average. New GK needed.

I don't expect Dortmund to make all these signings in January, but in the summer some big changes should be done. If they are not relegated by then Laughing

by farfan Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:59 pm

is Aubameyang playing good enough to not being labelled as a scrub ?

by urbaNRoots Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:51 pm

Nah I'm OK with Aubameyang, he's nothing special but a useful player as RW (awful in any other position for Dortmund, be it CF or LW). The problem is that all the creative players in attacking positions are either gone or injured so when let's say Großkreutz - Mkhitaryan - Aubameyang start as an attacking trio - it is awful. But if more creative players are combined in the team, Reus, Kagawa, Gündogan now Kampl then a speedster like Aubameyang can be very useful. He also is a regular goalscorer so he's OK with me.

by BAYERN_MUNICH Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:54 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:I did not create my list based on this half-season alone though. Mkhitaryan has been shit since he was signed even if some BVB fans try to deny it. He's not creative and is supposed to be a great goalscorer, but he hasn't scored enough. €25m flop. Sell ASAP. Kagawa and Kampl as replacements sounds good enough, Gündogan can play CAM aswell.

Ramos was crap to begin with, I have no idea what Klopp/Zorc were thinking. I can see potential in Immobile even if he has been poor but another striker is needed.

Kehl is a poor player and old aswell, Bender is injury-prone. New defensive midfielder needed.

Durm is poor, Schmelzer is average (good backup). New LB needed.

And finally Weidenfeller is finished, Langerak is average. New GK needed.

I don't expect Dortmund to make all these signings in January, but in the summer some big changes should be done. If they are not relegated by then

What i wanted to say. The problem this season are not one or two players but the whole team. They failed as a team. Individually on paper this team is strong enough for the champions league spots even with their injuries.

by rwo power Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:34 pm

kicker just published the first part of their Bundesliga ranking. As usual they start with goalies and defenders:

Goalkeepers:

World class:
1. Manuel Neuer (Bayern München)

International class:
2. Ralf Fährmann (Schalke 04)
3. Yann Sommer (Borussia Mönchengladbach) <3
4. Ron-Robert Zieler (Hannover 96)

In the wider circle:
5. Bernd Leno (Bayer Leverkusen)
6. Diego Benaglio (VfL Wolfsburg)
7. Roman Bürki (SC Freiburg)
8. Loris Karius (Mainz 05)
9. Felix Wiedwald (Eintracht Frankfurt)

Focus:
Oliver Baumann (TSG Hoffenheim)
Jaroslav Drobny (Hamburger SV)
Marwin Hitz (FC Augsburg)
Timo Horn (1. FC Köln)
Thomas Kraft (Hertha BSC)
Lukas Kruse (SC Paderborn)
Roman Weidenfeller (Borussia Dortmund)

Center Backs:

World class:
1. Jerome Boateng (Bayern München)

International class:
2. Naldo (VfL Wolfsburg)
3. Martin Stranzl (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
4. Sokratis (Borussia Dortmund)

In the wider circle:
5. Niklas Süle (TSG Hoffenheim)
6. Ömer Toprak (Bayer Leverkusen)
7. Benedikt Höwedes (Schalke 04)
8. Tony Jantschke (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
9. Emir Spahic (Bayer Leverkusen)
10. Uwe Hünemeier (SC Paderborn)
11. Kevin Wimmer (1. FC Köln)

Focus:
Medhi Benatia (Bayern München)
Ermin Bicakcic (TSG Hoffenheim)
Niko Bungert (Mainz 05)
Dante (Bayern München)
Marc-Oliver Kempf (SC Freiburg)
Ragnar Klavan (FC Augsburg)
Robin Knoche (VfL Wolfsburg)
Dominic Maroh (1. FC Köln)
Tobias Strobl (TSG Hoffenheim)
Heiko Westermann (Hamburger SV)

FB/LB/RB:

World class:
None

International class:
1. David Alaba (Bayern München)

In the wider circle:
2. Ricardo Rodriguez (VfL Wolfsburg)
3. Alvaro Dominguez (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
4. Juan Bernat (Bayern München)
5. Paul Verhaegh (FC Augsburg)
6. Rafinha (Bayern München)
7. Atsuto Uchida (Schalke 04)
8. Pawel Olkowski (1. FC Köln)

Focus:
Abdul Rahman Baba (FC Augsburg)
Andreas Beck (TSG Hoffenheim)
Christian Günter (SC Freiburg)
Tin Jedvaj (Bayer Leverkusen)
Lukasz Piszczek (Borussia Dortmund)
Jens Wemmer (SC Paderborn)
Oscar Wendt (Borussia Mönchengladbach)

by Sri Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:57 am

What's 'Focus'? supp to mean?

by rwo power Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:17 am

Well, kicker has a weird way to categorize players in their ranking. In German it is "Weltklasse" (world class), "Internationale Klasse" (international class), "Im weiteren Kreis" (in the wider circle) and "Blickfeld" (focus).

"IWK" means "pretty good at national level" and "Blickfeld" should be something like "worthy to take a look at" or so.

BTW, if you miss Mats Hummels - he was injureed for too long and missed too many matches, so he isn't listed.

by Kick Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:19 am

Is Fahrmann really better than Leno? He has never really impressed me as a GK.

by rwo power Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:21 am

Well, if you watch Schalke, you might notice that Ralf Fährmann is one of the reasons they got quite some points. Personally, I would rank Yann Sommer before Ralf Fährmann, but the latter has been pretty good lately.

Oh, and yes, Fährmann is better in form than Bernd Leno, albeit Bernd Leno is considered a bigger talent, of course. But Leno has to show more of his talent to be ranked better.

BTW, the official Bundesliga website didn't even consider Leno for the user vote for "Best Keeper of the Hinrunde" (although they shouldn't have omitted Roman Bürki IMO): http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga/news/2014/manuel-neuer-ist-der-torhueter-der-hinrunde.php

by Kick Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:00 am

I honestly haven't seen them as much as I have wanted.

Fair enough though.

by Curtinho Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:52 am

Alaba over Rodriguez? Don't see it. For me he should be world class.

by rwo power Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:03 am

kicker are notoriously stingy when it comes to rank someone "world class".

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:04 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2894226/MSV-Duisburg-forced-change-winter-break-plans-Turkish-resort-German-club-400-Russian-models-hotel.html

Laughing

by RealGunner Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:07 pm

looooooooool

by Onyx Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:30 pm

Bundesliga has a 6 week winter break. Shocked

by rwo power Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:33 pm

Sure. The weather here can be pretty uncomfortable at times. And of course people here like their holidays ^^

(In December and January, German TV is filled with wintersports, sometimes up to 10 hours per day non-stop - not much space for football then Razz

)

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:15 pm

Calling out vivastpauli. Will you watch serie asleep regularly now that godolski has joined inter, even after years of mocking it?

by VivaStPauli Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:23 pm

I'm an Interista. Prego. Maccaroni Benaglio, spaghetti Bellucci... Penne, si si.

by dostoevsky Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:41 am

Viva pls.

by MaraVilla Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:54 am

howcome bundes take such a long break compared to everyone else o.0

by rwo power Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:01 am

The Swiss Super League's break is even longer from 7 Dec 2014 until 7 Feb 2015 and the Austrian Bundesliga's break goes from 14 Dec 2014 to 14 Feb 2015. But then, these are classic wintersports nations, too. By the way, in Russia the winter break is even from 8 Dec 2014 to 7 Mar 2015.

by iftikhar Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:01 am

By the way, in Russia the winter break is even from 8 Dec 2014 to 7 Mar 2015.

I have been meaning to ask this. Is it a in-season break or is it between the seasons break???

by VivaStPauli Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:14 am

dostoevsky wrote:Viva pls.

What? I will genuinely watch Inter matches now.
And while I think Inter, at the moment, is a horrible destination for any player, Podolski was clearly getting shafted by Wenger.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:27 am

I think dost was referring to your Gerhard Polt Man spricht deutsh routine.

by rwo power Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:53 pm

iftikhar wrote:
By the way, in Russia the winter break is even from 8 Dec 2014 to 7 Mar 2015.
I have been meaning to ask this. Is it a in-season break or is it between the seasons break???

In-season (between matchday 17 and 18 of altogether 30 matchdays).

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