Champions League 2014/15 | Group A

It will come down to game speed between Juve and Atleti... if Juve can adapt to the much faster pace that Atleti play compared to Serie A, then they'll be ok. But otherwise, Juve will have a big problem.

Good news is that Evra is used to that kind of speed since he was in EPL. So if he plays, he should be fine on his side. Lichsteiner... i don't know. Other than Serie A, i only saw him at the WC against France and he got absolutely molested. So he's a ? to me.

you didn't watch Lichtsteiner at Lille sports ?

farfan wrote:you didn't watch Lichtsteiner at Lille sports ?

That was 6+ years ago dude. He's not the same player... he's better tactically but lost athleticism obviously.

Juventus XI vs #Atleti: Buffon; Chiellini, Bonucci, Caceres; Evra, Pogba, Vidal, Marchisio, Liechsteiner; Llorente, Tevez

Atleti: Moya, Juanfran, Miranda, Godin, Ansaldi, Tiago, Koke, Saul, Arda Turan, Raul Garcia, Mandzukic

No Morata no party

There is just nothing to fear with Juves attack, its so old fashioned and made only to break down Serie A teams. Llorente is strong up front but should require pacy wingers to threaten a catenaccio team like Atletico.

Juve is just passing the ball around trying to build confidence while failing to realize that Atletico dont need the ball, they just need 1 chance and are extremely confident in their playstyle.

No point in having world class midfielders if the attack isnt CL worthy. What a waste of star powder.

Juve got #ATLETI'ED

Llorente

what a waste of space .

Seeing as we're not going to play Llorente in between two wingers (Nor should we, Tevez is better than he is) we need to find an upgrade next year.

Fed up of his shit instincts in the box, his stupid fouls on the opposition, his inability to make a 5 yard pass in open space and despite being the tallest and/or strongest player on the pitch in 99% of the games he plays, he always backs into people and gets put on the floor LEGALLY, he's a turnover machine.

Sure he's fine in Serie A but we really don't need help in that area.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Seeing as we're not going to play Llorente in between two wingers (Nor should we, Tevez is better than he is) we need to find an upgrade next year.

Fed up of his shit instincts in the box, his stupid fouls on the opposition, his inability to make a 5 yard pass in open space and despite being the tallest and/or strongest player on the pitch in 99% of the games he plays, he always backs into people and gets put on the floor LEGALLY, he's a turnover machine.

Sure he's fine in Serie A but we really don't need help in that area.

You're not understanding how much this role is actually limited LOLrente.

Yes, he had success under Caparrós back when Athletic played like Stoke under him yet that was because they had pace on the wings and the team was built around him.

His biggest curse (and gift) is his size to which has had Conte and now increasingly Allegri use him in a role similar to Peter Crouch and Stefan Kießling not only which will limit Juventus but LOLrente as a whole.

His best times for Athletic came when within a 4-3-3 to which Muniain, Susaeta, De Marcos, Toquero etc all occupied the box while he had the freedom to drop deep and then calculate his runs, rather than his current role to which he has to remain in the box primarily and hold up the ball for a lay off to which never was his strength. Where his bodily strength came into play were on/off balls runs from deep charging into the CBs, navigating horizontally for link up play, passes down central from deep and crosses from wide areas.

Problem is with him when played out of tangent he will not perform yet in the correct system he will, which is having players with more movement playing off of him rather than having Bonnuci ping long balls onto him as lateral crosses from the wings won't do anything either.

He never was a strong finisher as his goals came from him and smaller targets creating space for him and shooting it in from any angle.

Serie A teams have figured out that since there is no link from the midfield onto him (since he is deliberately placed in the box) that crowding him will limit his movement and ability to create chances for himself. It will never work as there is no coincidence that LOLrente had his best games under Juve when it was 4-3-3 with actual fluid team movement rather than him being a plain reference point. Its the exact same thing Guardiola did with Ibra at Barça.

Problem is he's not good enough to justify us moving Tevez around and investing in 2/3rds of a new attack to help him perform to his absolute best

We'd be so much better off cashing in on him and replacing him with a less limited striker. Or hell, give Morata a chance and use the Llorente money elsewhere.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Problem is he's not good enough to justify us moving Tevez around and investing in 2/3rds of a new attack to help him perform to his absolute best

We'd be so much better off cashing in on him and replacing him with a less limited striker. Or hell, give Morata a chance and use the Llorente money elsewhere.

He'll never be good enough because you haven't seen if the tactics were at least suited to him outside the chances he receives to start. If Juventus can maximize how to fit around him outside just link-ups from Tevez then there will be a devastating partnership to which would be similar to LOLrente carrying Athletic for years and that year in the Europa League.

Tevez position is fine, its what LOLrente is told to do in correlation with the team that is the problem. Juventus attempting to play too vertical and narrow will limit not only him but the team as a whole as there is no coincidence he never scored under the 3-4 times Bielsex played a 3-5-2, hence his consistent use of more modern formations such as 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and LOLrenty's fave, 3-3-1-3.

3-5-2 already in Europe is obsolete and limited, to which will not further help a striker's cause who is being wasted. Españole media and Athletic fans who hate his guts are baffled to how he is being used.

That shows how useless Allegri is - just carried on with Contes useless 3-5-2 which only works against sides like Catania.

halamadrid2 wrote:CL high 49 fouls in the Atleti-Juve game

The game must have been really scrappy (Atleti's favourite )

It was one of the worst games of football I've seen between two top tier sides in terms of entertainment. The referee didn't get any decisions wrong, but his failure to give out yellows in the first half set a precedent for the rest of the game. There was no rhythm for either side. Juve were playing for the draw until the goal, with a 3-5-2 that was virtually a 5-3-2. Sloppy defending for a cross and it was 1-0 to Atletico with only 15 minutes to play. As I expected, the 3-5-2 got completely outmoded against the packed defence and counter-attacking tactics. Once Juve conceded the goal, Allegri changed to a 4-3-3. Maybe if Juve had started with that formation, they would've got something out of this game - and I would've seen some entertainment.

Watching the game now, 80 minute now and i dont think Juve had any shot on target or any shots from inside the box. This was typical atletico performance. Great organization and pressing...lot of fouls and very cunning in every situations.

Been saying for years as good as our key players are, we badly lack creativity minus Pirlo, and our players are too indirect and slow. Nothing to do with quality, we simply need a pair of wingers who can take their man on and run at teams.

Litchsteiner and Asamoah/Evra just arent going to cut it in terms of wingers. We need more offensively minded wingers for this to work in Europe.

Moyá, Juanfran, Miranda, Godín, Siqueira, Mario Suárez, Koke, Saúl Ñíguez, Arda Turan, Griezmann, Mandzukic

Llorente finally benched apparently

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0kZxHdCAAAXgFZ.jpg

We'd be so much better off with


Buffon
Licht Bonuc Chiell Asa
Vidal March Pogba
Pereyra Tevez
Morata

Morata

Because if 3 European seasons of the 352 have not worked, try again

Practice makes perfect. Steady as we go boys