Re: Champions League 2015/16 | Group F

by Casciavit Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:31 pm

free_cat wrote:@Hapless Hans, why does Pep continue to start Alonso instead of Vidal?

Not hans, but it's because he wants someone who can switch the play from deep, and Alonso is one of the best at that. Vidal hasn't exactly looked that good for Bayern so far TBH.

by free_cat Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:45 pm

Casciavit wrote:
free_cat wrote:@Hapless Hans, why does Pep continue to start Alonso instead of Vidal?

Not hans, but it's because he wants someone who can switch the play from deep, and Alonso is one of the best at that. Vidal hasn't exactly looked that good for Bayern so far TBH.

He knew Vidal is a log... can't understand this signing if it wasn't to replace Alonso and use Thiago as the only creator or together with Alaba.

by Hapless_Hans Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:57 pm

free_cat wrote:
Casciavit wrote:
free_cat wrote:@Hapless Hans, why does Pep continue to start Alonso instead of Vidal?

Not hans, but it's because he wants someone who can switch the play from deep, and Alonso is one of the best at that. Vidal hasn't exactly looked that good for Bayern so far TBH.

He knew Vidal is a log... can't understand this signing if it wasn't to replace Alonso and use Thiago as the only creator or together with Alaba.

That's not what Vidal was signed for though. He was signed, I presume, to add grit against the ball to a midfield where Alonso is deep, as we all know Alonso ..er.. isn't very great against the ball and Alonso-Schweini was doubling down on a certain slowness.
The understudy for Alonso is Kimmich.
Pep's default midfield in a 4-3-3 so far was Alonso-Thiago-Vidal, yet when we're playing 4-1-4-1 Vidal is dropped in favour of another attacker.

Vidal played once in that lone role but that was with 5 strikers in front of him in a Pep experiment.
Vidal hasn't been that good so far but I'm assuming he's still suffering from that Copa in summer.

by free_cat Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:40 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
free_cat wrote:
Casciavit wrote:

Not hans, but it's because he wants someone who can switch the play from deep, and Alonso is one of the best at that. Vidal hasn't exactly looked that good for Bayern so far TBH.

He knew Vidal is a log... can't understand this signing if it wasn't to replace Alonso and use Thiago as the only creator or together with Alaba.

That's not what Vidal was signed for though. He was signed, I presume, to add grit against the ball to a midfield where Alonso is deep, as we all know Alonso ..er.. isn't very great against the ball and Alonso-Schweini was doubling down on a certain slowness.
The understudy for Alonso is Kimmich.
Pep's default midfield in a 4-3-3 so far was Alonso-Thiago-Vidal, yet when we're playing 4-1-4-1 Vidal is dropped in favour of another attacker.

Vidal played once in that lone role but that was with 5 strikers in front of him in a Pep experiment.
Vidal hasn't been that good so far but I'm assuming he's still suffering from that Copa in summer.

Having Alonso as a single pivot can punish Bayern against good teams. He is very past it and never was one to cover a lot of ground. Room for improvement for Bayern there.

by Hapless_Hans Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:03 pm

True.
That being said, Pep doesn't start him to cover a lot of ground, he starts him to dictate play, and requires others to cover and win challenges further ahead, i.e. Vidal.

I agree though, the midfield is a bit of an unsolved problem still, and I wish Kimmich would get to play instead of Alonso a little bit more often.

by free_cat Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:20 pm

Is kimmich good? What about Rode?

by Lucifer Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:23 pm

Also while we are at it Hans please tell me why is Gotze arguably the best young talent devoid of playing time( I know now he is injured). It is very frustrating to see him play 10 mins every game. Does he not fit in Pep scheme or is there something else. Get feeling that pep doesn't have many plans for him. There is excuse that present team is already stacked and there is no place for him to start. I don't agree with tbh when u can play day in day out youngsters like Coman and Costa there surely is place for 'world cuip winner'.

by Hapless_Hans Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:36 pm

Kimmich has looked good, but he's young and inexperienced.
Hope he gets to start in BuLi once in a while to give Alonso a rest soon.

Rode is more the Vidal type, injured at the moment.

Götze got quite some game time beginning of the season, bad injury right when he was starting to perform well.

by Myesyats Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:39 pm

Well this was embarrasing for Arsenal. Pep :bow:

by Winter is Coming Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:10 pm

“What I want, my desire, is to have 100% possession,” the Bayern manager said.

Pep Proud

“We wanted to control the game but we allowed a lot of counters,” Guardiola said. “This was not correct and we have to improve on that, definitely.”

“In important matches, there are players who might be afraid but Thiago is extraordinary in such matches,” Guardiola said. “He was injured over the last two years and now, he is really fit. But he needs to understand that with his skills, he has the possibility to be an even better player. There are times when he loses the ball without being pressured so he has to work on that. He has to interpret his game so that his passes can cause danger.”

“People say that ball possession might not be the most important thing but for me, it is the most important thing,” Guardiola said. “It’s the first step and then the second, third and fourth steps can come after. With the ball, you have more possibilities to create something and to concede fewer chances.

“I have a lot of respect for my players and when they decided to become footballers, they wanted to play with the ball. It’s not only about running. It’s all about having the ball, playing and dealing with the ball. Because we have had the ball, we have scored a lot of goals and haven’t conceded a lot.”

“This is the best team of my era here,” Guardiola said. “People want to see successful football, to see attacking football with all 10 outfield players and we need some time for that. This is now our third year together, there have been a lot of matches and discussions, and we know each other much better now. I know my players better. We know what we want.

“People might think that I came to Bayern and knew the players immediately but no. You need time for that. It’s a lot better this year. We have improved. It’s not perfect yet because in the second half against Arsenal, we conceded but it’s a lot better than before.”

by Lucifer Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:11 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:“What I want, my desire, is to have 100% possession,” the Bayern manager said.

Pep

“We wanted to control the game but we allowed a lot of counters,” Guardiola said. “This was not correct and we have to improve on that, definitely.”

“In important matches, there are players who might be afraid but Thiago is extraordinary in such matches,” Guardiola said. “He was injured over the last two years and now, he is really fit. But he needs to understand that with his skills, he has the possibility to be an even better player. There are times when he loses the ball without being pressured so he has to work on that. He has to interpret his game so that his passes can cause danger.”

“People say that ball possession might not be the most important thing but for me, it is the most important thing,” Guardiola said. “It’s the first step and then the second, third and fourth steps can come after. With the ball, you have more possibilities to create something and to concede fewer chances.

“I have a lot of respect for my players and when they decided to become footballers, they wanted to play with the ball. It’s not only about running. It’s all about having the ball, playing and dealing with the ball. Because we have had the ball, we have scored a lot of goals and haven’t conceded a lot.”

“This is the best team of my era here,” Guardiola said. “People want to see successful football, to see attacking football with all 10 outfield players and we need some time for that. This is now our third year together, there have been a lot of matches and discussions, and we know each other much better now. I know my players better. We know what we want.

“People might think that I came to Bayern and knew the players immediately but no. You need time for that. It’s a lot better this year. We have improved. It’s not perfect yet because in the second half against Arsenal, we conceded but it’s a lot better than before.”

Am not hurt Sad

by Myesyats Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:16 pm

Why would you be hurt?

by Lucifer Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:26 pm

linetty wrote:Why would you be hurt?

Need to polish my comprehension skills :facepalm:

Thought he meant best team of this era. Obviously that's Barca duhuh!

by Doc Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:30 pm

“What I want, my desire, is to have 100% possession,” the Bayern manager said.

@VivaStPauli

Pls respond sir.

by RealGunner Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:03 pm

here we go then

Arsenal team for #AFCvZAG: Cech, Bellerin, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Monreal, Flamini, Cazorla, Campbell, Ozil, Alexis, Giroud

by Hapless_Hans Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:24 pm

#FCBayern line-up:
Neuer - Lewandowski, Robben, Costa, Rafinha, Boateng, Lahm (C), Vidal, Müller, Badstuber, Coman #FCBOLY #UCL
— FC Bayern English (@FCBayernEN) 24. November 2015

#FCBayern bench:
Ulreich - Benatia, Martinez, Alonso, Kirchhoff, Rode, Kimmich
Kick-off is at 20:45 CET. #FCBOLY #UCL
— FC Bayern English (@FCBayernEN) 24. November 2015

by Winter is Coming Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:26 pm

That depth.

by Hapless_Hans Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:33 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:That depth.

Ribery, Alaba, Götze and Thiago injured.

No attacker on the bench either, tbf

by rwo power Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:57 pm

But Stubsi is back! I hope he'll stay healthy from now on. Poor boy had enough bad luck with injuries for a lifetime!

by rwo power Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:04 pm

Looks like both FCBs go on a competition who will score more. 2:0 on both accounts ^^

Edit: Bayern 3:0 Olympiakos

by Sri Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:16 pm

Mesut 1 - 0 Zagreb

by Hapless_Hans Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:19 pm

Robben injured. Kimmich on for him.

by Sri Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:19 pm

Alexis 2-0

by Sri Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:19 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Robben injured. Kimmich on for him.

Didn't he only just come back from an injury?? scratch

by RealGunner Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:20 pm

Ozil scored a header ffs

by RealGunner Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:28 pm

https://twitter.com/Nikomarvel/status/669249929307648000

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