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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:46 pm

Jay29 wrote:
^see my expanded post above. But I wonder why a head of recruitment would be above the manager in hierarchy.
He's not on the board, is he? He's not DoF? Maybe these hierarchies need to be figured out, and it's not surprising there would be friction

According to his, Mislintat has an executive role at the club:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/15/arsenal-head-recruitment-sven-mislintat-future

He also said before that he was part of the hiring process for the new head coach. So it does sound like he's above the head coach in the hierarchy.

I guess the idea is that the head coach will come and go, and as a club we can't keep changing our transfer policy every three or so years otherwise we'll just have weirdly balanced squads.

Honestly though, it's all messed up at the moment. Mislintat and Sanllehi (among others) were hired by Gazidis. This big restructuring was his project. Then Gazidis abruptly leaves and joins Milan. Now Sanllehi is Head of Football and he shares leadership with Venketashem, who heads up the business side of the club (he was the head of commercial before). I'm wondering if this talk of a sporting director being hired is their idea, and that they aren't carrying out what Gazidis had envisioned.


Ok, now I have a serious German source, but it also says nothing about Bayern.
Honigstein writes in the Spiegel that according to his information Mislintat will leave Arsenal in the 'foreseeable future', whatever time frame that means.
He is however, contrary to "speculation in English media", not leaving because of an "alleged Bayern offer", but because of "fundamental differences of opinion about transfer policy and company structures" after losing a power struggle against Sanllehi.
So this supports your speculation @Jay29

According to Honigstein, this power struggle was about who succeeds Gazidis as DoF, and Sanllehi was promoted, and the problem is that Sanllehi and Mislintat apprently have severe philosophical differences regarding recruitment - Sanllehi trust in his network and connections among European top clubs while Mislintat trusts in his statistical analysis of players. "Sanllehi trusts in good contacts, Mislintats trust more in numbers", and "without Gazidis a moderator between the two approaches is now missing".


http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/sven-mislintat-vor-abschied-beim-fc-arsenal-a-1248230.html

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Post by RealGunner Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:21 pm

All fell apart after Wenger.

Bring him back IMO
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Post by Unique Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:22 pm

RealGunner wrote:All fell apart after Wenger.

Bring him back IMO
yes and there it is. the post i have been waiting for cheers cheers cheers
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 pm

Does anyone know why Gazidis even left? Because that is the exit that seems to have caused the recent problems

Does it have to do with the change, or shift, in ownership that also happened last year?

Oh and Mislintat was of course already hired for the post-Wenger time, after all Wenger publicly put him down right away, it's not like the estimation of an ambitious systematic head of recruitment would have been higher under Wenger.

It's the Germans vs the Spanish now for hegemony at Arsenal that the old guard has completely left, and the Spanish have won.
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Post by RealGunner Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:36 pm

Didn't Mislintat also fell out with Tuchel and left Dortmund?
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Post by Unique Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:39 pm

americans are the worst owners in the world they dont like to spend. they use money made from the football teams to finance some dumb ass baseball team
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:33 pm

RealGunner wrote:Didn't Mislintat also fell out with Tuchel and left Dortmund?


Yes.
Tuchel forbid Mislintat from entering the training ground at one point lmao.
But since Tuchel also fell out with the BVB board, and before that with the Mainz board, we assumed the pattern was with him.
But maybe there's also a pattern with Mislintat.
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Post by Sina Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:04 pm

Bleep Sanllehi
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Post by Twoism Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:31 am

Can we stop jumping the gun on Raul and side with Sven? Until further details, all these speculative shit once again divide us then more importantly distract everyone from transfer problem. We havent got any deal or anything anywhere close to done.
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Post by Jay29 Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:40 am

Ornstein has basically said the same as Honigstein, though he adds that Mislintat expected to be a candidate for the new technical director role but was overlooked:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46886457

This seems a good summation of what's going on currently:

It is thought Sanllehi has been seeking a candidate who is either well known by Emery or has a connection to Arsenal, with ex-Gunners midfielder Edu among those linked.

Although there has not been a major breakdown in relations with Mislintat, Arsenal's lack of money to spend in the January transfer window has also caused issues.

They are only able to bring in players on loan and those primarily responsible - Sanllehi, Mislintat and Emery - have not been collaborating as effectively as they did previously.

For example, the interest in Barcelona midfielder Denis Suarez is being driven by Sanllehi and Emery, while Mislintat has targets of his own, yet there has been limited progress across the board.

Sources have noted that Sanllehi's approach towards recruitment centres on his vast network of contacts, whereas Mislintat tends to favour a more analytics-based approach.

Towards the end of his first year in the job, Mislintat sought assurances about his future though they were not forthcoming.

That was particularly problematic because his pursuit of transfer targets often relies on long-term planning and groundwork, which has been highly effective in the past but near-impossible of late.

Perhaps losing Gazidis was a bigger blow than many of us anticipated. If nothing else, he seemed to be the uniting factor for all our new executive staff members and without him we're deviating from the original plan.

A clash of interests was inevitable, in hindsight. Emery won't want another 18-21 year old who can't perform right away because his job is to get Arsenal back into the top four and failing to do that puts him at risk. You see several PL managers being very reluctant to rely on young players because the pressure to win is just too high. As he sees it, he already has Guendouzi (19), Torreira (22), Iwobi (22), Willock (19), Smith Rowe (18), Nketiah (19), Saka (17) and Maitland-Niles (20) as his young options.

Ultimately, it's Sanllehi's and Mislintat's job to deliver what the head coach wants. Otherwise, what's the point of the head coach having any input?

At the same time, Sanllehi and Mislintat also have to look after the long-term future of the club. You imagine that they know we can't keep signing older players and handing them big wages because it's going to screw us over in two/three years times.

A compromise is difficult to achieve at the moment since Arsenal are hamstrung for funds (or locking funds away, depending on your perspective). We'd be looking for players in the 23-27 age range who can perform right away but still have some room for growth and potential re-sale value... but you have to spend money to get those.

So we end up turning to the likes of Denis Suarez. It's an opportunistic deal taking advantage of Sanllehi's contacts with Barcelona. I guess Sanllehi and Emery feel that they need someone now if their short-term goals are to be achieved, even if that someone wouldn't be high up on the shortlist.

To be optimistic about this, it doesn't seem like there's an unreconcilable difference. Ornstein does say that there hasn't been a major breakdown.

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Post by Jay29 Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:46 am

Hapless_Hans wrote:Does anyone know why Gazidis even left? Because that is the exit that seems to have caused the recent problems

Does it have to do with the change, or shift, in ownership that also happened last year?

Officially, we haven't been told of any reasons, as far as a I recall.

I know that Gazidis has close ties to the group currently looking after Milan. It's possible that he thought his work at Arsenal was "done" (he got a new coach and a new structure in place) and wanted a new start.


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Post by Twoism Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:17 am

Ultimately everyone has their visions/ reasons/ methods of doing things. That’s why hierarchy is needed, before it was Arsene with final say in everything then supposingly Ivan after that. Now the hierarchy is being established again and there gotta be some heads rolled. Raul was not the one brought Sven on, they were at equal footing at the start. There is bound to be clash even in the smallest things. They all have history of being strong head so compromise can be difficult but not unattainable. Raul and Sven have every reason to believe their ways are right but the hierarchy is official so either listen to people above u and follow the plan or u’re out. I hope they are working out the difference and find the optimal way given how poor our budget is.  

Unai should have players he needs. It’s his job on the line. Albeit fan so called understanding, ppls will lose their shit if we’re not top 4. He knows he needs result quick. Just going around and see, ppls already called Raul and Unai all sorta things.
Remember during Arsene era, Ivan always came out and said things like our target is top 4 and fans would be so outraged, bet u all miss it now

Edit: didnt see Jay post but basically yeah agree
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:33 am

Twoism wrote: Now the hierarchy is being established again and there gotta be some heads rolled. Raul was not the one brought Sven on, they were at equal footing at the start. There is bound to be clash even in the smallest things. They all have history of being strong head so compromise can be difficult but not unattainable. Raul and Sven have every reason to believe their ways are right but the hierarchy is official so either listen to people above u and follow the plan or u’re out. I hope they are working out the difference and find the optimal way given how poor our budget is.  


But that's the point.
While Mislintat and Sanllehi were equal at the start, both answering to Gazidis, after Gazidis exit and Sanllehi's promotion to DoF Mislintat now had to answer to Sanllehi, who quite apparently does not share Mislintat's approach to squad planning.

And now Sanllehi is planning to install another Technical Director, which, as is noted in the articles, would basically mean another quasi-demotion for Mislintat.

So while, as Honigstein insists, Mislintat still has a very good working relation with Emery, apparently he does not like how his place in the hierarchy is developing.
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Post by Jay29 Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:47 am

While you're here Hans:

There's an odd rumour floating around that Arsenal have "received encouragement" about getting James Rodriguez on loan (provided they can shift Ozil).

However, I was under the impression James can't leave Bayern until the end of the loan. Is that right?

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Post by Jay29 Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:05 pm

On another note, Swiss Ramble has explained a lot about how football clubs do business. You can perhaps see how Arsenal suddenly have no money to spend on players:


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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:26 pm

Jay29 wrote:While you're here Hans:

There's an odd rumour floating around that Arsenal have "received encouragement" about getting James Rodriguez on loan (provided they can shift Ozil).

However, I was under the impression James can't leave Bayern until the end of the loan. Is that right?


James is on loan at Bayern until the end of the season and we have an option to buy, which we haven't exercised yet.

While I don't believe anymore that James will stay at Bayern past the summer (I don't believe he wants to and I don't think we are desperate for him to stay by now), I don't think there's a chance we would let him leave before that.

It's midseason, we're not stacked with attackers nor midfielders after Müller's CL ban and Tolisso's ACL injury.
James' relation with Kovac was said to be bad, but the reason he didn't play end of last year was an injury, not being frozen out. We'll ned James and we'll use him as long he's here.

Besides, even technically, I don't know how that would work. Would we nullify the loan deal with Real? Would we sub-loan him, don't think that's even a thing?
Seeing that we have a rather low option to buy, I'm not sure why we would just step back now.
Best scenario would be to buy him for the contractual 42m (!) and then sell him on for more in summer, honestly, though I don't know to what extent James himself has to agree to any purchase for it to happen.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:29 pm

Besides, I don't see Özil leaving. Why would he?

He surely has too much self-respect to let himself be loaned out randomly at this point in his career, just because Emery doesn't play him, after he's signed that monster contract just one year ago.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:49 pm

Oh, just seen an interview with our DoF Brazzo from today and he rules out buying James in summer merely to sell him on, as I speculated should happen above.
So that's not going to happen.
Brazzo says that such a purely economic transaction is not in line with "Bayern's style" and that if we decide to buy a player, it is to make him part of our team and not to just profit off him.
Guess I can agree, even if we're very possibly losing out on money.
He says that the decision to buy James will be taken after evaluating the rest of the season.
Nothing about loaning-on James now, obviously, it's not going to happen, and also nothing about Mislintat.
https://sportbild.bild.de/bundesliga/vereine/bayern-muenchen/hasan-salihamidzic-interview-kahn-sportvorstand-james-59549204.sport.html

Interestingly, since there's upheaval and speculation at Bayern about hierarchy, DoFs, technical directors, too, basically ever since Hoeness went from DoF to President 10 years ago, and there's been a lot of speculation about a return of Kahn in an executive role recently, Brazzo tells SportBild clearly that while he's got a great relation with Kahn, he would "not accept" another person becoming sporting executive ahead of him.

So while Bild and SportBild have today supported the claim that Bayern would be interested in bringing in Mislintat should he leave Arsenal, it's very doubtful what role we could offer him that would exceed the 'glorified head scout' role he's fleeing from at Arsenal.
We could offer him the 'technical director' role Reschke had before he left, but then Brazzo came in to become "Director of Football", a role we didn't have in the years before when Sammer was fulfilling it as "sporting executive".
These roles and titles are a mess everywhere, it seems.
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Post by urbaNRoots Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:25 pm

It‘s clear that Mislintat came here with the idea that he would have a bigger role in the squad planning beyond scouting, that‘s why he was involved in selecting the new manager. But since Gazidis left, Raul has pushed to replace him and is now bringing someone else in the place Mislintat (basically demoting him), the reason why he would do this is unknown but the most people theory is that their ideas of building a squad clashed.

Personally think it was really exciting to see what Mislintat was going to do with our squad as his signings look really promising. Oh well, we Arsenal fans can‘t have nice things can we?
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Post by Jay29 Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:19 am

Ornstein on the Ozil situation (emphasis mine):

“They’re not just rumours. Unai Emery has suggested to Mesut Ozil that it would be best for him to leave the club. And the hierarchy of the club feels that they would like him to move on.

“I think that’s mainly financially driven for a player earning £350,000 per week but also related to that is the fact he is not performing anywhere near the level when he has played on a consistent basis as we know he can produce from the past.

He has no desire to leave, Mesut Ozil, so he won’t be leaving in the January transfer window. I’m told he’s working extremely hard to get himself fit. Reports coming out of London Colney is that he’s now doing extra gym work and he has a positive demeanour. He’s determined to work his way back into the side.

“The word was he wasn’t doing a lot of the extra work most players were, and he is now. I’ve heard positive things about his behaviour, his commitment, his relationships with the teammates.

“I don’t think that’s ever been a problem, but he’s clearly out of favour with the manager and that’s a very expensive problem for the club to have.”

https://arseblog.news/2019/01/ornstein-una-emery-has-suggested-to-ozil-its-best-for-him-to-leave-audio/?utm_campaign=autotwitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

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Post by mani88 Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:52 pm

I would love to see the details of the Unai Emery presentation during his interview for the job. He had all minor details about the players that we have and had a plan for the future( building the team around Ramse etc) atleast thats what the reports said. I just want to know what was his plan coz as of now the team every match seems like a roll of dice. Sometime it gives u six sometimes 1. Hopefully we will beat chelsea this week with a good roll of dice.
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Post by Jay29 Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:25 am

Denis Suarez deal getting closer, according to Spanish reports:

http://sportwitness.co.uk/player-now-waiting-sign-arsenal-just-personal-terms-need-sorting/

RAC1 believe it's a 2m euro fee + a 20m euro obligation to buy, but Sport are reporting that there will be no obligation to buy.

I think RAC1 are a bit more reliable when it comes to Barcelona news. We'll get more details when the deal goes through.

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Post by RealGunner Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:26 pm

So....any clubs offering a competent RB to loan?
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Post by Sina Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:48 pm

Fast track that Norwich RB we were linked with
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Post by RealGunner Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:44 pm

Emery on if he’ll sign a replacement for Bellerín: “We have Ainsley [Maitland-Niles], also Lichtsteiner. Also I don’t forget Jenkinson.”


lol bye bye top 4
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Post by Jay29 Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:28 am

Let's be fair. There's no way we can get a RB of Bellerin's quality without being able to spend money. We won't even be able to get a decent RB better than Lichtsteiner currently without money. Laughing

This is Maitland-Niles' time to shine.

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