Re: The Resurrection of Ronaldinho?

by Ganso Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:19 pm

our defenses are not hat bad,the only reason they look bad is because people normally watch youtube videos of players owning them and the strikers and midfielders over here are of good quality.I see a lot of autrocious defending in Europe too,specially in la liga and epl.

about santos,they lost their players for the copa america,u20 WC and injuries + occasional losses.

The schedule is awful,there are still matchdays on fifa dates.

Good for the rest Razz

by Catracho Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:41 pm

Ligue 1 is a joke tbh.

PSG SUCK, Marseille is ehhhh, Lyon is up and down.. I'm pretty sure Santos, Sao Paulo, Flamengo, Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Internacional and Fluminense can all beat Lyon, PSG and Marseille.

We got racks on racks on racks of CWC titles. don't hate the player, hate the game.

by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:49 pm

Catracho wrote:Ligue 1 is a joke tbh.

PSG SUCK, Marseille is ehhhh, Lyon is up and down.. I'm pretty sure Santos, Sao Paulo, Flamengo, Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Internacional and Fluminense can all beat Lyon, PSG and Marseille.

We got racks on racks on racks of CWC titles. don't hate the player, hate the game.

If it helps you sleep better at night, sure lol.

But in the end, all the best players in your league wind up in Europe as soon as they show something in Brazil. Some of the best players in the world currently and in their prime (not kids with potential) play in Ligue 1.

by Omniscient Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:09 pm

The Brazilian league isn't on par with any top European ones, they're below France and Portugal.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:35 pm

Catracho wrote:Ligue 1 is a joke tbh.

PSG SUCK, Marseille is ehhhh, Lyon is up and down.. I'm pretty sure Santos, Sao Paulo, Flamengo, Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Internacional and Fluminense can all beat Lyon, PSG and Marseille.

We got racks on racks on racks of CWC titles. don't hate the player, hate the game.

this is the most ridiculous argument i have ever seen here.

Sorry SA fans, not looking to hurt sensibilities, but it's time you get over yourselves about the CWC. European clubs have stopped caring about it for a long time now. Represents nothing of note for top european clubs. It's a nice exotic trophy they play in the winter, they get to travel away from the cold, discover new countries, meet the fans, play some football to please to mass.

Not really a big deal, sorry to break the news. If you guys prepare for it like it's the world cup, well, sorry to break the news, but it's not a big deal, and except for you, not many care. Those guys are just waiting to go on the winter break.

by Catracho Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:38 pm

Brasileirao Serie A > Ligue 1 FACT

your league is like..2-3 good teams, rest, relegation race.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:44 pm

Catracho wrote:Brasileirao Serie A > Ligue 1 FACT

your league is like..2-3 good teams, rest, relegation race.

This is an empty argument, virtually nobody watches your league here, you can be blowing up smokes and stretching facts, no one would know what's what.

Be happy in your belief, my opinion on the matter wont even budge.

by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:46 pm

Catracho wrote:Brasileirao Serie A > Ligue 1 FACT

your league is like..2-3 good teams, rest, relegation race.

Like i said, if it helps you sleep better at night. Your second sentence is completely ignorant though and doesn't make you look very credible on these boards... first sentence too actually; but at least you can debate that a bit until you actually look at the facts lol.

by FennecFox7 Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:04 pm

Ligue 1 shits all over Brazil league.

by Catracho Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:23 pm

Brasileirao Serie A > Ligue 1

this is like arguing whose a better nation... Brazil or American Samoa..smh

Stay mad Africans and Frenchies.

by Arquitecto Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:28 pm

Is it me?

Or the Ligue 1 is quite underrated here in terms of their strength and potential.

Not only that, but they do tend to play some good solid tactical football.

by FennecFox7 Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:35 pm

Catracho wrote:Brasileirao Serie A > Ligue 1

this is like arguing whose a better nation... Brazil or American Samoa..smh

Stay mad Africans and Frenchies.

nice way of winning your argument The Resurrection of Ronaldinho? - Page 2 Facepalm

by Ganso Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:41 pm

well,in the end it goes to just opinion,because there is nothing other than CWC to judge on(which european clubs lead by only 1 trophy and always have an amzingly hard time beating SA teams ).But it must be said that you guys are underrating our teams waaay too much....

by Catracho Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:19 pm

Giggity5313 wrote:
Catracho wrote:Brasileirao Serie A > Ligue 1

this is like arguing whose a better nation... Brazil or American Samoa..smh

Stay mad Africans and Frenchies.
nice way of winning your argument

The Resurrection of Ronaldinho? - Page 2 Andthisitthe128638051046609867

by IAmManUnited Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:30 pm

Impressive game against internacional, again brazil times are really off so i never get to watch him play live so have to resort to highlights

by ChollaVille Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:32 pm

He would we the best player in Arsenal Twisted Evil

But shame that Wenger dosn't have money for him...

by Babun Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:33 pm

Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there Very Happy

by xabi Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:38 pm

rather watch championship than the brazilian league

by Arquitecto Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:40 pm

babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.

by Catracho Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:46 pm

Dinho is indeed much better positioned at the far left...always has been.

by Ganso Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:08 am

dinho is playing as a secondary striker atn,but he likes dropping deep and tracking back,something he didnt do in Europe and specially for Milan Sad

by Babun Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:28 am

Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.

Again, before making assumptions watch him play Very Happy

When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Very Happy

Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet Very Happy

by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:37 am

babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.

Again, before making assumptions watch him play
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet

I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.

by ChollaVille Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:40 am

Play Thiago Silva as DM.

by Babun Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:42 am

Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.

Again, before making assumptions watch him play
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet

I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.

Answer just one question. Did you watch him play recently? Very Happy

Second, teams in Brazil are just a little bit below Serie A teams in terms of quality from my observations Very Happy

by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:45 am

babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.

Again, before making assumptions watch him play
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet

I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.
Answer just one question. Did you watch him play recently?

I have as he has replicated his form that he briefly had with Milan in the season with Leonardo except that he is playing a more advanced role.

Although he is playing quite well, the defenses in Brazil possess a deep line in which he has ample time to do his magic along with the fact that defensive tactics seem to be non-existent within some of the teams.

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