Re: Who is the best player in the world today for both club and country?

by VivaStPauli Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:33 pm

Alves doesn't suck for Brazil though.

Except in the friendly against Germany. He got that penalty nicely, from Lahm of all people, but besides that he got owned a bit. But in other matches he is actually as good for Brazil as he is for Barca, so he's a good shout imho.

by Zealous Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:37 pm

Alvez has been pretty poor for Brazil as of late though Viva.

by billionmillion Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:37 pm

So? Messi got 10 assists in last 7 matches. but what they win? baltters ass. if you count friendlies messi made headlines against brazil france spain portugal

by VivaStPauli Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:40 pm

Zealous wrote:Alvez has been pretty poor for Brazil as of late though Viva.

The Brazil NT has been pretty poor for Brazil as of late, though, no?

Awww, here I go again: they should've kept Dunga.

by Zealous Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:42 pm

Hey hey now, Blatter's ass is actually a very coveted prize you know.

by white_star Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:11 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
jibers wrote:I'm sorry, how does Xavi not win this hands down? Fulcrum for spain in the Euros, fulcrum for Barca the last 3 seasons, WC team built around him and Spain plays around him. No competition tbh. Maybe Villa, he was Spains main attacking threat in EUros and dragged them through WC with his goals and jkust became all time leading scorer. but Xavi is numero uno. Ozil? loooooooooooool. What a joke, Fabregas has done more than him ffs.

xavi was crap for large chunks of last season apart from maybe the CL final and other handful of games, this season it doesnt exactly look like he is improving lol, btw xabi alonso is spains second top scorer under VDB

villa second...... *not sure if serious*

and ozil for the NT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any other midfielder around the world

Really? Bias aside do you really think Ozil is better for club and country then Xavi in the last 3 years??? Comon man I know your a Madrid fan and you hate Xavi but give credit where it's due!

by aford92 Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:13 pm

Probably Xavi or Ozil.

by Divine Intervention Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:19 pm

white_star wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
jibers wrote:I'm sorry, how does Xavi not win this hands down? Fulcrum for spain in the Euros, fulcrum for Barca the last 3 seasons, WC team built around him and Spain plays around him. No competition tbh. Maybe Villa, he was Spains main attacking threat in EUros and dragged them through WC with his goals and jkust became all time leading scorer. but Xavi is numero uno. Ozil? loooooooooooool. What a joke, Fabregas has done more than him ffs.

xavi was crap for large chunks of last season apart from maybe the CL final and other handful of games, this season it doesnt exactly look like he is improving lol, btw xabi alonso is spains second top scorer under VDB

villa second...... *not sure if serious*

and ozil for the NT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any other midfielder around the world

Really? Bias aside do you really think Ozil is better for club and country then Xavi in the last 3 years??? Comon man I know your a Madrid fan and you hate Xavi but give credit where it's due!

Xavi is regista, Oezil something else. Of course, Xavi influences a game in many more ways than Oezil. Still, both of them perform for club and country. Messi is the real victim, he can't influence anything at all without midfielders, not his job but makes him look very bad.

by billionmillion Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:26 pm

Divine Intervention wrote:
white_star wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
jibers wrote:I'm sorry, how does Xavi not win this hands down? Fulcrum for spain in the Euros, fulcrum for Barca the last 3 seasons, WC team built around him and Spain plays around him. No competition tbh. Maybe Villa, he was Spains main attacking threat in EUros and dragged them through WC with his goals and jkust became all time leading scorer. but Xavi is numero uno. Ozil? loooooooooooool. What a joke, Fabregas has done more than him ffs.

xavi was crap for large chunks of last season apart from maybe the CL final and other handful of games, this season it doesnt exactly look like he is improving lol, btw xabi alonso is spains second top scorer under VDB

villa second...... *not sure if serious*

and ozil for the NT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any other midfielder around the world

Really? Bias aside do you really think Ozil is better for club and country then Xavi in the last 3 years??? Comon man I know your a Madrid fan and you hate Xavi but give credit where it's due!
Xavi is regista, Oezil something else. Of course, Xavi influences a game in many more ways than Oezil. Still, both of them perform for club and country. Messi is the real victim, he can't influence anything at all without midfielders, not his job but makes him look very bad.

Your IQ is below avarage. without midfielders? or without midfielders, defenders and goalkeeper? without a team would be better sentence. nobody would perform better than messi if he played for argentina instead of messi. but instead messi would perform better than anyone if he played for the teams that you mentioned

by Harmonica Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:28 pm

Messi.

by Divine Intervention Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:29 pm

billionmillion wrote:
Divine Intervention wrote:
white_star wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
jibers wrote:I'm sorry, how does Xavi not win this hands down? Fulcrum for spain in the Euros, fulcrum for Barca the last 3 seasons, WC team built around him and Spain plays around him. No competition tbh. Maybe Villa, he was Spains main attacking threat in EUros and dragged them through WC with his goals and jkust became all time leading scorer. but Xavi is numero uno. Ozil? loooooooooooool. What a joke, Fabregas has done more than him ffs.

xavi was crap for large chunks of last season apart from maybe the CL final and other handful of games, this season it doesnt exactly look like he is improving lol, btw xabi alonso is spains second top scorer under VDB

villa second...... *not sure if serious*

and ozil for the NT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any other midfielder around the world

Really? Bias aside do you really think Ozil is better for club and country then Xavi in the last 3 years??? Comon man I know your a Madrid fan and you hate Xavi but give credit where it's due!
Xavi is regista, Oezil something else. Of course, Xavi influences a game in many more ways than Oezil. Still, both of them perform for club and country. Messi is the real victim, he can't influence anything at all without midfielders, not his job but makes him look very bad.
Your IQ is below avarage. without midfielders? or without midfielders, defenders and goalkeeper? without a team would be better sentence. nobody would perform better than messi if he played for argentina instead of messi. but instead messi would perform better than anyone if he played for the teams that you mentioned

You should test your IQ level first,you know the part about reading comprehension.I wrote Messi is the victim, what's so hard to understand?

by billionmillion Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:33 pm

he cant influence anything at all is not a right word. wasnt he main influence in WC 2010? 80% of teams goals came from him. seems you dont watch him play, you just read goal.com headlines

by Keyzar Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:35 pm

Frimpong

by SaintJoe Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:53 pm

billionmillion wrote:
Your IQ is below avarage. without midfielders? or without midfielders, defenders and goalkeeper? without a team would be better sentence. nobody would perform better than messi if he played for argentina instead of messi. but instead messi would perform better than anyone if he played for the teams that you mentioned

Who cares about midfielders, defenders or goalkeeper? Messi should be able to win the game by himself, else he's trash. Who cares if the defense is bad? If Argentina loses, it's his fault. Isn't that what you said about Ronaldo yesterday? Why is it any different now?

by REWB Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:41 pm

Keyzar wrote:Frimpong

you know your football banana

by _LMG_10_ Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:43 pm

Leo Messi and Xavi Hernandez hands down. Is there even any question?
I've never seen two players perform so consistently at a high level for both club and country.
A lot of you will obviously say that Messi doesn't perform for country, but that's just because you don't know anything.

by Pedram Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:27 pm

Iniesta for Spain and Özil for Germany. maybe Cassano for Italy too but he's inconsistent.

by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:36 pm

_LMG_10_ wrote:Leo Messi and Xavi Hernandez hands down. Is there even any question?
I've never seen two players perform so consistently at a high level for both club and country.
A lot of you will obviously say that Messi doesn't perform for country, but that's just because you don't know anything.

lmfao

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by Ganso Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:39 pm

El Pipita wrote:Iniesta for Spain and Özil for Germany. maybe Cassano for Italy too but he's inconsistent.

italy doesnt face a lot of big teams and cassano is very inconsistent for us

by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:44 pm

Ganso wrote:
El Pipita wrote:Iniesta for Spain and Özil for Germany. maybe Cassano for Italy too but he's inconsistent.
italy doesnt face a lot of big teams and cassano is very inconsistent for us

id say ddr for Italy more so than Cassano

by The Messiah Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:58 pm

The whole German team.

by halamadrid2 Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:49 pm

jibers wrote:

looool. Ozil is ot even in Xavi's postcode, don't mention them in the same breadth. Xavi was poor last season? He tore both our teams apart last season. (5-0) and (3-1). By his standards, maybe, but hwe was still above evry other cm in the world. Ozil? Haha, where was Ozil when Xavi dominated Germany? hwere was Ozile when Barca won 5-0 and 2-0, where was ozil? Don't call that dudes name. Come back to me when he is the fulcrum of a team that wins the cl, euros and WC. I'm not even a fan of xavi, but this is just ridiculous tbh.

i knew you were gonna mention 5-0, wait a sec we made jeffren look like world class ffs, how about mentioning any of the other games we had against them, seriously i bet you dont even watch him play just ride on his rep from 2-3 years ago, its been know for a while xavi is on a DECLINE

was xavi really that good in the 2-0 game, seriously??? dont embarrass yourself ffs

btw ozil vs barca second league meeting???, ozil vs barca copa final??, ozil vs barca first leg super copa??? what do you call those, where was xavi then??? wait it cant be one offs anymore can they smfh.....go figure he had better performance than most of those divers

mate ozil is already the fulcrum for both madrid and germany, while germany looks like a proper united team, spain look soo disjointed and rely on individuals to score

also ozils first season, we reached the semi-final, he had most asissts in the CL, second most asissts in the league, and has got most asissts as of now for the qualifiers

come back to me after youve done some background research on ozil....thnk you

by Be/\/ceCALI Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:53 pm

Pirlo, Xavi, Ozil, Schweinsteiger, David Villa, Arjen Robben, Cavani

by Adit Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:07 pm

Ozil has been amazing for both.

by Be/\/ceCALI Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:09 pm

I forgot to add David Silva to my list. Always admired his play, and won't forget that screamer he scored against Chelsea when he still played at Valencia

by billy_gr Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:41 pm

Torosidis

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