FIFA will not let England wear poppies v Spain

Grande_Milano wrote:LOLm Yuri check this out. "Legitimate claims for Sudeten Land". Lmao

Chamberlain was a pussy. End of story.

Legitimate claims my ass.

Chamberlain wanted to avoid war at all costs as he felt that we could appease Hitler, he was not a "Pussy".

Also, me saying legitimate claim is relative. They had more of a legitimate claim to the Sudeten Land than they did to other places they invaded. Also many though that if we allowed the the Sudeten Land then they would stop, but they didn't.

dnmac4 wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:The arrogance of afford and dnmac

FIFA is right though, shouldnt mess politics with football

England stood alone vs Hitler, yet they and French had ''dont attack me please'' pacts with him absoultely identical to Molotov pact, and fed him Checzh and Poland

You really should shut your pie hole when you don't have a clue what you're talking about. England declared war on Germany right when they heard the news that Germany invaded Poland. There really was nothing England could do to help Poland as they had to worry about defending there own country.

They never had a "don't attack me please" pact with Hitler, what they did do was let Hitler take the Sudentenland in Czechoslovakia as they were 90% German anyways and didn't want to be a part of Czechoslovakia ever since the end of WW1. Also, Churchill didn't do this, Chamberlain did and he is universally known as one of the biggest idiots in WW2, it was also the last thing he did before getting overtaken by Churchill.

Hitler agreed to not take over anymore countries after they gave him the Sudentenland and Chamberlain came home waiving the pact around like a fool.

NEVER did they allow him to invade Poland or Czechoslovakia, you are just flat out wrong and making yourself look really stupid.

This. The only thing I disagree with is you saying that Chamberlain was a fool. He acted like he did because the public wanted anything but war and he was just doing what they wanted.

Chamberlain was indeed a "pussy" but he needed to be. England were just not ready for a war. There was also the general feeling that Germany were too harshly punished in The Treaty of Versailles, and so nobody made a huge fuss about the Sudetenland.
Everyone was at fault for letting Germany grow so strong in the first place, but again, the feeling was that Germany needed a bit of freedom from the treaty.

England and France had non-agression pacts with Germany. Fact.

England and France did nothing when he took Czech Republic. Fact

England and France attacked him when it was obv Reich is going after them. Fact




You goota be Mr Naive himself. England and France believed Hitler? Lol, even a 3 year old kid in their countries knew whats gonna happen.

+1 aford

Nobody wanted war. Memories of WWI were still entrenched in everyone's memories, and people just wanted peace. Chamberlain took it too far, and misjudged Hitler's personality and intentions completely and that was definitely his fault, but his actions were just attempts to avoid war.

My problem with u is that u guys trying to bail out your countries. Again.

We re all in this shyte, we are all to blame. The indeciseveness, the fear, interests.

Grande_Milano wrote:England and France had non-agression pacts with Germany. Fact.

England and France did nothing when he took Czech Republic. Fact

England and France attacked him when it was obv Reich is going after them. Fact




You goota be Mr Naive himself. England and France believed Hitler? Lol, even a 3 year old kid in their countries knew whats gonna happen.

Can you not see how the first and third statements contradict themselves? We declared war because he attacked Poland after we told him not to. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Or is this just your opinion as the last 2 are not facts.

Also, if you want to feed info to Yuri about England handing over Poland why don't you tell everyone how the CCCP stood 2 miles outside Poland when the Polish uprising was standing there ground against the Nazi's and just needed there help to take there country back and Stalin thought the Polish resistance were too hard to control so they let the Nazi's slaughter them before they came in.

And no the CCCP wasn't helping the Poles get there country back they were waiting for the Germans to slaughter anyone with a backbone so when they rolled in and defeated the Nazi's they could take over Poland and not have to deal with anyone who would argue.

You really know nothing of what went on and should just keep your mouth shut before you really offend someone.

England and France hope he is going after everything including USSR, but themselves.

An attack on Poland was merely and excuse to attack him back. It was in the air, he is going after everyone

Again me and dnmac talk mostly in facts whilst Grande_Milano talks in un-educated opinions and makes himself look stupid.

Have Fifa actually came out and said they arnt allowed. Yesterday when it was floating about forums it was apparently the FA who blocked it. Then it was the Spanish officials who said no. Kind of like an urban rumour.

To be honest personally I dont have problem with it, I agree that religious or political symbols should not be displayed on international shirts. Even thought technically they are neither. Our domestic situation is a different matter. If they gave into us no doubt another country would try something then cry and say well you let the English do it so its not worth the hassle.

There will no doubt be a minutes silence and soldiers attending the game forming a guard of honour of some sort as the players head out.

The Poppy/Remembrance day festivities here are a bit of a touchy subject at the moment. Recently there were some cases where muslims caused trouble at remembrance day events by burning poppies and other mischief. There wasn't really any consequences for them, they get a small fine. But a couple of English lads who painted a poppy on a mosque received a fairly lengthy prison sentence.

Also some companies have reportedly banned staff members for wearing poppies in case certain people get offended.

Its a subject allot of people here feel passionately about and see allot of double standards.

Grande_Milano wrote:England and France had non-agression pacts with Germany. Fact.

England and France did nothing when he took Czech Republic. Fact

England and France attacked him when it was obv Reich is going after them. Fact




You goota be Mr Naive himself. England and France believed Hitler? Lol, even a 3 year old kid in their countries knew whats gonna happen.

Again ignoring everything except for your very narrow way of thinking.
Go look at your history books and see the weapons and size of the army that was available to France and England in comparison to the one that was available to Germany at the time. All of these things were made to buy time. They were gearing up for war, but they weren't ready for it.
You really can't be that stupid to think that a whole country would go to war so unprepared, can you?

dnmac4 wrote:Also, if you want to feed info to Yuri about England handing over Poland why don't you tell everyone how the CCCP stood 2 miles outside Poland when the Polish uprising was standing there ground against the Nazi's and just needed there help to take there country back and Stalin thought the Polish resistance were too hard to control so they let the Nazi's slaughter them before they came in.

And no the CCCP wasn't helping the Poles get there country back they were waiting for the Germans to slaughter anyone with a backbone so when they rolled in and defeated the Nazi's they could take over Poland and not have to deal with anyone who would argue.

You really know nothing of what went on and should just keep your mouth shut before you really offend someone.

I am not making excuses for USSR. You see the world isnt "Good Western countries and rest that commit shyte". Its all about interests, and everybody is going to portray good and bad sides, though there is no such thing in politics.

Stop making excuses, everyone takes the blame

Grande_Milano wrote:England and France hope he is going after everything including USSR, but themselves.

An attack on Poland was merely and excuse to attack him back. It was in the air, he is going after everyone

It wasn't just an excuse. We told him as soon as he got the Sudeten Land that if he attacked Poland then we would declare war. He knew that an attack on Poland meant war with Britain, he made the choice we didn't just come up with an excuse to go to war with him.

Iceman wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:England and France had non-agression pacts with Germany. Fact.

England and France did nothing when he took Czech Republic. Fact

England and France attacked him when it was obv Reich is going after them. Fact




You goota be Mr Naive himself. England and France believed Hitler? Lol, even a 3 year old kid in their countries knew whats gonna happen.

Again ignoring everything except for your very narrow way of thinking.
Go look at your history books and see the weapons and size of the army that was available to France and England in comparison to the one that was available to Germany at the time. All of these things were made to buy time. They were gearing up for war, but they weren't ready for it.
You really can't be that stupid to think that a whole country would go to war so unprepared, can you?

Simply a measure of being precautious. Hell, Cold War participants looked like they are going into a decade war. Its a toss. Its either Hitler takes everything, lets us alive (USSR, England, France thoughts, absolutely identical), or we go fullscale war

Grande_Milano wrote:My problem with u is that u guys trying to bail out your countries. Again.

We re all in this shyte, we are all to blame. The indeciseveness, the fear, interests.

I'm Egyptian, so whatever.
Indecisiveness? Fear? Of course they exist! You can't blame anyone for being afraid of war. If nobody was afraid, then we'd all just start nuking each other and the world would be gone to bits. How did that work out for ya?
How were England and France benefiting from Germany taking control of the world? Explain that please..

Grande_Milano wrote:England and France hope he is going after everything including USSR, but themselves.

An attack on Poland was merely and excuse to attack him back. It was in the air, he is going after everyone

No, it wasn't in the air. They had specifically told him not to attack Poland and, when he did, that's when they interfered. You are misinterpreting everything and trying to force the facts to fit into your little conspiracy theory, but it's really not working. You are blaming them for taking some time to prepare for the war. Well done

The European Theater was won by the USSR. Full stop. There is some serious retardation going on in this thread. Every major historian would place the Russian front as the most profound reason for the Nazi downfall. With the US involvement being a distant second in terms of significance. England???loool..don't make me laugh.

Anyways. Good call on FIFA. The British (and their Empire) are no better than the Nazi's. Commemorating their soldiers is a slap in the face to the millions who have died on their hands.

Iceman wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:My problem with u is that u guys trying to bail out your countries. Again.

We re all in this shyte, we are all to blame. The indeciseveness, the fear, interests.

I'm Egyptian, so whatever.
Indecisiveness? Fear? Of course they exist! You can't blame anyone for being afraid of war. If nobody was afraid, then we'd all just start nuking each other and the world would be gone to bits. How did that work out for ya?
How were England and France benefiting from Germany taking control of the world? Explain that please..

Grande_Milano wrote:England and France hope he is going after everything including USSR, but themselves.

An attack on Poland was merely and excuse to attack him back. It was in the air, he is going after everyone

No, it wasn't in the air. They had specifically told him not to attack Poland and, when he did, that's when they interfered. You are misinterpreting everything and trying to force the facts to fit into your little conspiracy theory, but it's really not working. You are blaming them for taking some time to prepare for the war. Well done

He has 3 people telling him basically the same things and using facts to back them up. Meanwhile he is on his own using opinions and still thinks he is right.

He has already displayed that he knows very little about the subject, it may be best to ignore him.

Grande_Milano wrote:

Iceman wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:England and France had non-agression pacts with Germany. Fact.

England and France did nothing when he took Czech Republic. Fact

England and France attacked him when it was obv Reich is going after them. Fact




You goota be Mr Naive himself. England and France believed Hitler? Lol, even a 3 year old kid in their countries knew whats gonna happen.

Again ignoring everything except for your very narrow way of thinking.
Go look at your history books and see the weapons and size of the army that was available to France and England in comparison to the one that was available to Germany at the time. All of these things were made to buy time. They were gearing up for war, but they weren't ready for it.
You really can't be that stupid to think that a whole country would go to war so unprepared, can you?

Simply a measure of being precautious. Hell, Cold War participants looked like they are going into a decade war. Its a toss. Its either Hitler takes everything, lets us alive (USSR, England, France thoughts, absolutely identical), or we go fullscale war

Excuse me for saying this, but that's just extremely dumb.
So what you're saying is that England and France wanted Germany to take over the whole of Europe but they believed that Germany would leave them alone? That they're whole plan for the country was: Let Hitler do what he wants, but we trust that he will never attack us?
Then why give an ultimatum and say that they will declare war if he invades Poland? Because they started getting afraid of him being powerful? He was already powerful. They started arming up as soon as they saw that Hitler was starting to roam around and take Europe.

You are going about this so horribly wrong. Your whole though process is filled with fallacies and contradictions.

LOL at ''need time for preparation"

Answering ya all:

1) its a well documented fact that Reich was weak pre-Sudeten attack, it could ve been smashed with French army alone. Why not to slaughter the enemy when he is weak? "need time for preparation" lol

2) It was obv, that before he attacked Poland, head to head war with him is unavoidable. Then an excuse "we are peacekeepers, u went too far". Nor England, nor France gave a sh about Poland, they were fighting for their future, not for the interest of some other countries.


Stop making yourself look like heroes and others like villains.

No country fights without having interests, only in Hollywood movies

Seppuku wrote:The European Theater was won by the USSR. Full stop. There is some serious retardation going on in this thread. Every major historian would place the Russian front as the most profound reason for the Nazi downfall. With the US involvement being a distant second in terms of significance. England???loool..don't make me laugh.

Anyways. Good call on FIFA. The British (and their Empire) are no better than the Nazi's. Commemorating their soldiers is a slap in the face to the millions who have died on their hands.

Possibly the most idiotic post I have ever seen. The USSR was on the side of Hitler for years, they only started fighting back when they got attacked, meanwhile Britain was fighting them from the start and alone from the French surrender until the Soviet turn around kicked in. The Eastern Front was the most important battle but Russia only won because Germany started losing the battle on the Western front to Britain and USA and as such had to take soldiers from their battle with Russia and put them on the Western Front. If it wasn't for Britain and USA, Russia would have been taken. To say that Britain had the least significant role shows how stupid you are.

Also, the Nazi's killed 6 million people because of their religion. When did the British ever do anything that barbaric to any of the colonies? If we were that bad then why did some of them choose to stay and are still a colony today?

Your stupidity has no limits.

Grande_Milano wrote:LOL at ''need time for preparation"

Answering ya all:

1) its a well documented fact that Reich was weak pre-Sudeten attack, it could ve been smashed with French army alone. Why not to slaughter the enemy when he is weak? "need time for preparation" lol

2) It was obv, that before he attacked Poland, head to head war with him is unavoidable. Then an excuse "we are peacekeepers, u went too far". Nor England, nor France gave a sh about Poland, they were fighting for their future, not for the interest of some other countries.


Stop making yourself look like heroes and others like villains.


No country fights without having interests, only in Hollywood movies

If it was just about protecting ourselves we would have crushed them with the Versailles Treaty.

Seppuku wrote:The European Theater was won by the USSR. Full stop. There is some serious retardation going on in this thread. Every major historian would place the Russian front as the most profound reason for the Nazi downfall. With the US involvement being a distant second in terms of significance. England???loool..don't make me laugh.

Anyways. Good call on FIFA. The British (and their Empire) are no better than the Nazi's. Commemorating their soldiers is a slap in the face to the millions who have died on their hands.

So just totally ignore the fact that Hitler and Stalin were allies huh? I will state this again and I really don't know why some argue this as it's a fact. If England appeased Hitler like CCCP and the rest of Europe did, there would be no Europe and there also would be no CCCP. The Germans were never big enough to fight a war on two fronts and had England not fought Hitler he would have been able to put his full forces in CCCP and he would have won, this is a fact not an opinion.

Sure the eastern front was Hitlers biggest mistake but it would have been his biggest victory had England not stood up to him and made him fight in Italy, Africa, Brittan etc.

This really isn't debatable, not to mention even when the CCCP were on the right side of the war they were still trying to take over the countries they were helping. Almost everything the CCCP did in the war was for selfish interests.

U using facts right?

"Attacked Reich when he attacked Poland, on moral grounds/helping" Opinion, not a fact.

"He was already powerful" Wrong. He was weak pre-Czech attack, could ve been smashed. Documented fact.

Non agression pacts with him. Fact. The avoidance of war at any costs.

Seppuku wrote:The European Theater was won by the USSR. Full stop. There is some serious retardation going on in this thread. Every major historian would place the Russian front as the most profound reason for the Nazi downfall. With the US involvement being a distant second in terms of significance. England???loool..don't make me laugh.

Anyways. Good call on FIFA. The British (and their Empire) are no better than the Nazi's. Commemorating their soldiers is a slap in the face to the millions who have died on their hands.

"Every major Historian would place the Russian front as the most profound reason for the Nazi downfall. With the US involvement being a distant second in terms of significance" ---> Provide a lot of support for this statement here; otherwise, don't make stuff up.

England withstood 2 years of bombing. Had it not been for that, then Hitler would have been able to focus all of his army on lonely little USSR and continue crushing them like he was already doing. England didn't side with Hitler, at least.

The USSR was heavily involved in the war, but not as important to the victory as some other countries were.

Plus, trying to downgrade USSR achievements, when 18 in 20 Germans (Germany being major part of Tri-alliance) were killed by Soviets

Trying to make England look better. Nobody is taking it from you. It was in equal aaly win. But, I read on this thread its only USA/France/UK

And these ppl teach me about history