This would have been a more effective line up.

Madrid need character to face barca

I can't see Mourinho subbing off Ronaldo, let alone benching him. Although I agree that it would have been reasonable to have him subbed off yesterday.

Ozil and Benzema were the only players that did anything attack-wise for Madrid. A better lineup wouldve been this:


Higuian is a good big game player,never buckles under thepressure of big games. Kaka would still be a better choice than Di Maria though, thanks to experience and outright talent. I dont know what Jose was thinking, but Di Maria was useless, which I couldve told you I knew would happen before the game even started. I even think Callejon wouldve been a better choice then Di Maria. Also, Khedira is far better than Lass, and Arbeloa is the most experienced and best defensively of the 3 fullbacks, with Coentrao coming 2nd. Marcelo is definutely the best going forward, but definitely the worst defensively.

The xcx wrote:

ynwa wrote:omg this is epic. buahahhahahahahaa.

hahahaha..wait, what exactly are you laughing at?

From best team in the world to 10000 different threads on how your best player should get benched (some say sold) for not being good enough, dropping half your players for the castialla and there's more crap on just one defeat. hahaha. The kneejerk on this forum can be very bad at times. :\

Also read somewhere that Callejon is better than Ronaldo... at finishing.

Sushi Master wrote:

Casillas
Coentrao Pepe Ramos Marcelo
Khedira Alonso
Di Maria Oezil Benzema
Higodin

this is exactly what i was thinking at the end of the match. imo benzema looked good from the wing and ronaldo CAN NOT beat dani alves, its like beating a dead horse at this point he is incredibly unimaginative on the ball when alves is defending him.

at least he traded wings at the end of the match but it was too late.

but props for the like mindedness

O..m..g. OP is noob. Formation would never work and so so many misconceptions about the abilities of specific players. Furthermore, some of the following opinions from non-Real Madrid supporters are almost just as bad as the OP. You people see a great squad of players and think hell "I can just make a few tweaks here and there and show Mou how this team should be coached" Granted Mou made some mistakes.. But saying Ozil was poor is unfair, saying Di Maria was poor, but then still including him in the re-worked line-up is bizarre. Ignoring the fact that a player in arguably the best form of his life, Callejon, was left on the bench. Ignoring that Higuain could play wing-forward on the right side. Of course lass has better defensive positioning than Khedira, one is a DM and the other box to box.. Arbeloa was not fit enough for a clasico.

Do yourselves a favour, go to the real madrid section, read all our post match discussions (don't post) and learn something. Thread=fail. GTFO

What's with this "noob" shit?

u cant start without ronaldo, but it is not forbidden to substitute him if hes not good, but arbeloa is better at RB and it is a good choice to play both marcelo and coentrao, so u can silent their right side, maybe we will keep dreaming of beating barcelona lol

hahahah knee jerk thread regarding ronaldo lmfao

tis okay, when he's in Munich in may, he'll seal many mouths.

ijomer wrote:hahahah knee jerk thread regarding ronaldo lmfao

tis okay, when he's in Munich in may, he'll seal many mouths.

A lot of RM fans... while he's standing in the stands... holding a Manc City jersey.

ijomer wrote:hahahah knee jerk thread regarding ronaldo lmfao

tis okay, when he's in Munich in may, he'll seal many mouths.

Nah, thanks. I'd rather have Ribéry.

ijomer wrote:hahahah knee jerk thread regarding ronaldo lmfao

tis okay, when he's in Munich in may, he'll seal many mouths.

ronaldo gets owned by alves every time. its not even up for debate. get over it kid.

deezydeez wrote:

ijomer wrote:hahahah knee jerk thread regarding ronaldo lmfao

tis okay, when he's in Munich in may, he'll seal many mouths.

ronaldo gets owned by alves every time. its not even up for debate. get over it kid.

im not defending ronaldo, am defending a real madrid player who is overly being criticized for a few bad performances.

and he isn't going anywhere from madrid anytime soon... unlike some orange players LOL worst mistake in madrid history.

It's funny he Madrid fans were saying Ronaldo > Messi and real are on barcas level. Now you are turning on your own players. Barcelona are leagues above every other team in Europe and probably the planet. The myth that Madrid are in Barcas level has been exposed. Bilbao and Valencia gave them harder work. Just accept it that Barca are far superior. There is no shame.they are the best team of this generation. We all just need to wait for the cycle to pass.

jibers wrote:It's funny he Madrid fans were saying Ronaldo > Messi and real are on barcas level. Now you are turning on your own players. Barcelona are leagues above every other team in Europe and probably the planet. The myth that Madrid are in Barcas level has been exposed. Bilbao and Valencia gave them harder work. Just accept it that Barca are far superior. There is no shame.they are the best team of this generation. We all just need to wait for the cycle to pass.

How's europa league

ijomer wrote:

jibers wrote:It's funny he Madrid fans were saying Ronaldo > Messi and real are on barcas level. Now you are turning on your own players. Barcelona are leagues above every other team in Europe and probably the planet. The myth that Madrid are in Barcas level has been exposed. Bilbao and Valencia gave them harder work. Just accept it that Barca are far superior. There is no shame.they are the best team of this generation. We all just need to wait for the cycle to pass.

How's europa league

I wouldn't know seeing as the competition hasn't started but good job at trying to deflect attention from your defeat

What did I say wrong? That Madrid are a level below Barcelona? Is that a lie?

ijomer wrote:

deezydeez wrote:

ijomer wrote:hahahah knee jerk thread regarding ronaldo lmfao

tis okay, when he's in Munich in may, he'll seal many mouths.

ronaldo gets owned by alves every time. its not even up for debate. get over it kid.

im not defending ronaldo, am defending a real madrid player who is overly being criticized for a few bad performances.

and he isn't going anywhere from madrid anytime soon... unlike some orange players LOL worst mistake in madrid history.

and why do you keep bringing up the dutch? not sure why you continue to do this. its completely off topic.

ronaldo is part of the topic, and to be honest he gets shut down by barca 90 percent of the time.

seriously though keep bringing up my nationality. real slick move.

stop with the kneejerk.. if you all think you can do better stop playing football manager and enter the world of management

emassy wrote:This line up for real madrid would have been better had anyone known ronaldo would underpeform. Mourinho played

MOURINHO'S FORMATION

*RB-COENTRAO
*LB-MARCELO
*CB-RAMOS
*CB-PEPE
*DM-ALONSO
*DM-LASS
*RM-DIMARIA
*LM-RONALDO
*AM-OZIL
*CF-BENZEMA

This formation was fantastic but slight changes would have been better had we kown dat the likes of ronaldo and ozil would be slightly off key.

RB-ARBELOA(more conversant at RB,and conventional positioning)
LB-COENTRAO(more defensive than marcelo)
CB-RAMOS
CB-PEPE
DM-ALONSO
DM-LASS(more power,energy,positioning and one on one tackle than khedira)
LM-MARCELO(was more effective than ronaldo yesterday and most el clasico)
RM-DIMARIA(was good at dribbling yesterday,not his best,but was better than ronaldo plus real madrid dont really have another winger like silva who is a natural AM.
AM-KAKA(may ozil was okay,but kaka has more balance experience and character plus dictatorship)
CF-BENZEMA/HIGUAIN(benzema is more of a team player,but higuain has more eye for goals)

PLAYERS WHO SHOULD NOT START THE NEXT EL CLASICO

RONALDO(mostly inconsistent)

OZIL(lack physicality,character and dictatorship)

DIMARIA(if only real madrid ever had a better winger aside ronaldo)

You don't have a clue about Real Madrid apart from our 4-2-3-1 formation
First, Pep and Mou battle was on the field. To avoid our pressing, Pep let Valdez play the 11th man and moved his defenders extremly deep and wide to start passing through the midfield. This way, once the ball was in midfield, we were exposed. Our defenders needed to press even higher but there is always the danger than dribblers like Messi or Sanchez just will run away and score which happened. In turns of game balance, it was pretty even on chances, our chance coversion was bad. Also, contrary to what people think, we didn't just give up after 60th minute, players were exhausted from pressing. So were Farca as well but their midfielders and attackers did a better job with the opened up space than us

In terms of lineup, CR7 was a big fail on the night. He should've been subbed or moved to CF with Benz on the wing. Alves didn't even bother man marking him this time. He left tons of space for him at the back because he knew CR7 was useless. On the other hand Di Maria faced 2-3 people at a time Benz can beat his man an do much more. Contrary to what you people think of Ozil, he was the most active midfielder/attacker for Real Madrid. First goal would've never happened without him Second, he kept the link between midfield and attack alive as long as he was on ( even defensively, he stole balls). Subbing him off was the worst decision Mou made in this game. After Kaka came on, the link disappeared, he didn't defend at all. All he did was act as another attacker and try to dribble through wings where he failed all the time against tired Puyol/Alves ( he came on fresh with little impact...). Di Maria was off that night but he had some problems. His target, CR7, wasn't where he needed to on time to give him through balls or crosses. Most of the time, he had to dribble his way through people. Add the increased pressing, he was out of breathe many times. Scoring in those situation isn't easy
So much to attack, Benz, Ozil and Di Maria are a must against Farca. The first two can create and keep the ball under pressure no matter where, Di Maria is a bit of the gamble but at least he keeps his side safe. For noobs, Kaka doesn't defend at all...

Our biggest problem is actually in midfield. Ozil is the only guy who can receive the ball under pressure, turn around and look for a pass. Alonso can't do that, he is technically limited. He can play one touch passing but he can't dribble his way out of challenges. Playing Lass next to him was even more of an epic mistake. While having better ball control made him look better throughout the match for noobs, his positioning during midfield pressing sucked. Instead of zonal pressing with the whole team, he went for the people with the ball at their feet. Spotting runs is his biggest weakness, I don't know what Mou thought playing him so far forward. Lass was afraid to mess up, each time he got the ball he tried to back pass...

Coentrao on the right after just two games there was a fail as well from Mou. I'm sure blondie is capable of it but he isn't ready yet. Now, I would play Lass there, he's got tons of experience at RB and he could be as headless as he wants there

Throughout the game, Pepe and CR7 and later Kaka kept giving the ball away cheaply. When Higuain came on, he didn't see the ball often but the times he did, he made the most intelligent choices on the pitch

Ideal lineup to face Farca with our current system is this:

When Coentrao has enough experience at rightback under his belt

-----------------Casillas-----------------

Coentrao----Pepe---Ramos---Marcelo

----------Sahin----Khedira/Alonso-----
------------------Ozil---------------------

---Di Maria-------------------Benz------
---------------Higuain-------------------

Alves isn't as godly defensivly as CR7 made look like to be. Benz would rape him over 90 minutes. Sahin and Ozil( in deeper role) can keep the ball under pressure. Khedira is purely there for zonal marking which Lass didn't provide. Higuain doesn't choke under pressure and has very good chemistry with Di Maria. He drifts to the right wing sometimes which ensures that we don't attack from the left side only
Even with this line up and all people on form we might lose because Farca's first team is vastly more experienced at top level then our current player crop but this lineup would give us the highest chance of winning

babun1024 wrote:

emassy wrote:This line up for real madrid would have been better had anyone known ronaldo would underpeform. Mourinho played

MOURINHO'S FORMATION

*RB-COENTRAO
*LB-MARCELO
*CB-RAMOS
*CB-PEPE
*DM-ALONSO
*DM-LASS
*RM-DIMARIA
*LM-RONALDO
*AM-OZIL
*CF-BENZEMA

This formation was fantastic but slight changes would have been better had we kown dat the likes of ronaldo and ozil would be slightly off key.

RB-ARBELOA(more conversant at RB,and conventional positioning)
LB-COENTRAO(more defensive than marcelo)
CB-RAMOS
CB-PEPE
DM-ALONSO
DM-LASS(more power,energy,positioning and one on one tackle than khedira)
LM-MARCELO(was more effective than ronaldo yesterday and most el clasico)
RM-DIMARIA(was good at dribbling yesterday,not his best,but was better than ronaldo plus real madrid dont really have another winger like silva who is a natural AM.
AM-KAKA(may ozil was okay,but kaka has more balance experience and character plus dictatorship)
CF-BENZEMA/HIGUAIN(benzema is more of a team player,but higuain has more eye for goals)

PLAYERS WHO SHOULD NOT START THE NEXT EL CLASICO

RONALDO(mostly inconsistent)

OZIL(lack physicality,character and dictatorship)

DIMARIA(if only real madrid ever had a better winger aside ronaldo)

You don't have a clue about Real Madrid apart from our 4-2-3-1 formation
First, Pep and Mou battle was on the field. To avoid our pressing, Pep let Valdez play the 11th man and moved his defenders extremly deep and wide to start passing through the midfield. This way, once the ball was in midfield, we were exposed. Our defenders needed to press even higher but there is always the danger than dribblers like Messi or Sanchez just will run away and score which happened. In turns of game balance, it was pretty even on chances, our chance coversion was bad. Also, contrary to what people think, we didn't just give up after 60th minute, players were exhausted from pressing. So were Farca as well but their midfielders and attackers did a better job with the opened up space than us

In terms of lineup, CR7 was a big fail on the night. He should've been subbed or moved to CF with Benz on the wing. Alves didn't even bother man marking him this time. He left tons of space for him at the back because he knew CR7 was useless. On the other hand Di Maria faced 2-3 people at a time Benz can beat his man an do much more. Contrary to what you people think of Ozil, he was the most active midfielder/attacker for Real Madrid. First goal would've never happened without him Second, he kept the link between midfield and attack alive as long as he was on ( even defensively, he stole balls). Subbing him off was the worst decision Mou made in this game. After Kaka came on, the link disappeared, he didn't defend at all. All he did was act as another attacker and try to dribble through wings where he failed all the time against tired Puyol/Alves ( he came on fresh with little impact...). Di Maria was off that night but he had some problems. His target, CR7, wasn't where he needed to on time to give him through balls or crosses. Most of the time, he had to dribble his way through people. Add the increased pressing, he was out of breathe many times. Scoring in those situation isn't easy
So much to attack, Benz, Ozil and Di Maria are a must against Farca. The first two can create and keep the ball under pressure no matter where, Di Maria is a bit of the gamble but at least he keeps his side safe. For noobs, Kaka doesn't defend at all...

Our biggest problem is actually in midfield. Ozil is the only guy who can receive the ball under pressure, turn around and look for a pass. Alonso can't do that, he is technically limited. He can play one touch passing but he can't dribble his way out of challenges. Playing Lass next to him was even more of an epic mistake. While having better ball control made him look better throughout the match for noobs, his positioning during midfield pressing sucked. Instead of zonal pressing with the whole team, he went for the people with the ball at their feet. Spotting runs is his biggest weakness, I don't know what Mou thought playing him so far forward. Lass was afraid to mess up, each time he got the ball he tried to back pass...

Coentrao on the right after just two games there was a fail as well from Mou. I'm sure blondie is capable of it but he isn't ready yet. Now, I would play Lass there, he's got tons of experience at RB and he could be as headless as he wants there

Throughout the game, Pepe and CR7 and later Kaka kept giving the ball away cheaply. When Higuain came on, he didn't see the ball often but the times he did, he made the most intelligent choices on the pitch

Ideal lineup to face Farca with our current system is this:

When Coentrao has enough experience at rightback under his belt

-----------------Casillas-----------------

Coentrao----Pepe---Ramos---Marcelo

----------Sahin----Khedira/Alonso-----
------------------Ozil---------------------

---Di Maria-------------------Benz------
---------------Higuain-------------------

Alves isn't as godly defensivly as CR7 made look like to be. Benz would rape him over 90 minutes. Sahin and Ozil( in deeper role) can keep the ball under pressure. Khedira is purely there for zonal marking which Lass didn't provide. Higuain doesn't choke under pressure and has very good chemistry with Di Maria. He drifts to the right wing sometimes which ensures that we don't attack from the left side only
Even with this line up and all people on form we might lose because Farca's first team is vastly more experienced at top level then our current player crop but this lineup would give us the highest chance of winning

+2003240345236562257676

Sack Mou.

Hire Babun.

Job done.

great post by Babun but Benz raping Alves remains to be seen. (not that ronaldo will be ever replaced)

billy_gr wrote:great post by Babun but Benz raping Alves remains to be seen. (not that ronaldo will be ever replaced)

Benz raped Abidal before. Abidal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alves defensivly

The formation done by babun is really good. Madrid could also consider packing a lot more players in the midfield with a diamond like formation like the one Milan used against Barcelona; this way Madrid can keep a better control of the midfield. Secondly, no Ronaldo as he seems to have a complex when facing Barcelona.

---------------Casillas

Arbeloa---Ramos---Pepe---Marcelo

---------------Alonso

---------Khedira-------Sahin

----------------Ozil

----------Higuain----Benzema

Di Maria and possibly even Ronaldo could be second half substitutes when the Barcelona are tired.

Just my thoughts.

babun1024 wrote:

billy_gr wrote:great post by Babun but Benz raping Alves remains to be seen. (not that ronaldo will be ever replaced)

Benz raped Abidal before. Abidal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alves defensivly

yeah, copa del rey... one game... anyway, if you are so confident i won't ruin it for you.

Tigole wrote:
The formation done by babun is really good. Madrid could also consider packing a lot more players in the midfield with a diamond like formation like the one Milan used against Barcelona; this way Madrid can keep a better control of the midfield. Secondly, no Ronaldo as he seems to have a complex when facing Barcelona.

---------------Casillas

Arbeloa---Ramos---Pepe---Marcelo

---------------Alonso

---------Khedira-------Sahin

----------------Ozil

----------Higuain----Benzema

Di Maria and possibly even Ronaldo could be second half substitutes when the Barcelona are tired.

Just my thoughts.

how can barca be tired if theres no di maria? di maria was pressing better than barcelona XI combined that night. with your formation i see 0-5 defeat for madrid