How do you rate Dani Alves?

Ganso wrote:im not talking about trophies,im talking about performances,he was simply terrible in copa america,offensively and defensively,he even got benched halfway through the tournament.he cant blame his teammates for that...

The xcx wrote:Good in forward meh in defence.....Still better than most of the rbs in the world, but hes too onedimensional at times.

BarcaKizz wrote:

The xcx wrote:Good in forward meh in defence.....Still better than most of the rbs in the world, but hes too onedimensional at times.

The standard old bullsh*t misconception...

Immaculate_Mole wrote:Dani why do you keep responding to xcx he's the most blatent troll on here lol.

Just ignore him, as the saying goes "dont feed the trolls"

I Have Mono wrote:He's like Marcelo attacking and a little bit better defensively, however they way barca plays defense usually where the whole team surrounds whoever has the ball hides his defensive liabilities. Althought I don't watch barca every game, just my opinion from the few games I watch.

BarcaKizz wrote:

I Have Mono wrote:He's like Marcelo attacking and a little bit better defensively, however they way barca plays defense usually where the whole team surrounds whoever has the ball hides his defensive liabilities. Althought I don't watch barca every game, just my opinion from the few games I watch.

Can you expand on these liabilities and possibly give examples?

1v1: tick, as good as any.
Pace & tracking back: excellent.
Positioning: excellent, occasionally a winger will get into the space behind him but this is only when he is doing his job (attacking as an auxiliary winger, we lose the ball badly and the opposition counters effectively).
Tackling: good, often commits professional fouls instead (old school trick), relies on interceptions more
Marking: rarely required, but as shown in battles against Madrid he rarely gives cr enough room to breathe.

His wing is generally very safe... Plays so high up and is still virtually impossible to expose. Nothing like Marcelo really.

Hamdyman wrote:Lets quit the belittling.. Dani is a jewel of a defender, the fact that he CAN support up front extremely well does not take away from his great defensive covering..

Any team in the world would wish to have this type of "Modern, do it all" player. Barca and Brazil both are lucky to have him.

BarcaKizz wrote:The funny thing is that is pretty much the exact same argument used to discredit Valdes and yet clear thinking cuts right through it. With Valdes he has less saves to make than average because of the way we play, but because of this, the saves he does make are generally high risk or 1v1. On the whole he's normally just as decisive as other big name keepers. The same applies for Alves, as Dani has highlighted, he might not encounter attack that regularly but it is often with minimal help and high risk.

At Barca defenders are challenged less, but when they are, its normally in very difficult situations. It's why we need elite defenders and why ordinary players look like headless chickens playing there (caceres, chyg, milito).

I Have Mono wrote:

BarcaKizz wrote:The funny thing is that is pretty much the exact same argument used to discredit Valdes and yet clear thinking cuts right through it. With Valdes he has less saves to make than average because of the way we play, but because of this, the saves he does make are generally high risk or 1v1. On the whole he's normally just as decisive as other big name keepers. The same applies for Alves, as Dani has highlighted, he might not encounter attack that regularly but it is often with minimal help and high risk.

At Barca defenders are challenged less, but when they are, its normally in very difficult situations. It's why we need elite defenders and why ordinary players look like headless chickens playing there (caceres, chyg, milito).

The funny thing is the question of the thread is "how do you rate dani alves ?" which means its an opinion and people are able to discuss how and why they rate/value the mentioned player, yet when I rate him unfavorably and provide my reasoning for why I did so from what is the general consensus I get blasted.

If you only want positive opinions on dani alves that say dani alves número uno RB than please change the name of the thread.

CBarca wrote:You do realize that when someone gives an opinion, and the other person disagrees with it, and argues with you, that is called discussion? And debating?

Instead of re-naming the thread, how about you provide a counter-argument.

Without discussion and disagreements, this forum wouldn't be here. If you don't want someone to disagree with you, then don't post in the forum. It's how forums work bud.

Omniscient wrote:My opinion on him is the exact opposite of many fans. Rock solid defensively, mediocre at best going forward.

The only reason he has a reputation for being a top offensive fullback is the vast amount of space he gets when playing for Barcelona. Teams defend very narrow and compact, with Alves making simple runs into that space to receive a pass and deliver the ball in. Honestly, many fullbacks with good stamina can do what he does offensively for Barcelona.

If you look at Alves for Brazil, it's quite apparent that he lacks any quality which would normally be associated with an attacking wingback. He's not a good dribbler, can't really shoot, not the best at crossing, average on the ball.

If Alves doesn't have space to run into, he simply can't do anything offensively.

Top 20 for sure, not very close to top 10 in my opinion, considering how many talented offensive players there are these days.