Re: Özil vs Fabregas

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:28 pm

RealGunner wrote:Fabregas Anyday

Scum.

by RealGunner Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:34 pm

You absolute pos

by El Gunner Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:35 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Fabregas Anyday

Scum.

Only thng wrong with that is the 'anyday' remark

by Freeza Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:38 pm

El Gunner wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Fabregas Anyday

Scum.

Only thng wrong with that is the 'anyday' remark

Agreed. Fabregas is scum.

by McAgger Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:42 pm

Coutinho over both. Can't believe how meh they've turned in 3 years.

by Freeza Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:43 pm

Don't call me James wrote:Coutinho over both. Can't believe how meh they've turned in 3 years.

I'd also take Lasse Schöne over both

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:45 pm

Don't call me James wrote:Coutinho over both. Can't believe how meh they've turned in 3 years.

by El Gunner Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:46 pm

Freeza wrote:
El Gunner wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Scum.

Only thng wrong with that is the 'anyday' remark

Agreed. Fabregas is scum.

Well that is widely the feeling amongst Arsenal fans these days, but his actions doesn't really bother me.
When it comes to who is a better creator of chances I would still say Fabregas. Remember Cesc was also a decent goalscorer for a midfielder when he played for us, but don't know what happened there since he left. But I'd still say he is also more of a 'goal-scorer' than Ozil.

by Bankz Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:46 pm

For Average/top team (say arsenal, chelsea, man utd, juventus) fabregas >> ozil.
but for Absolute elite team (say Madrid, barca, bayern) ozil >>>> fabregas.

by Myesyats Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Those times when Cesc played false 9 at Barca

Thank god it's well behind us

by El Gunner Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:54 pm

Bankz wrote:For Average/top team (say arsenal, chelsea, man utd, juventus) fabregas > ozil
For Absolute elite team (say Madrid, barca, bayern) ozil >>> fabregas.

And what's the logic behind this astounding reasoning?
Because Fabregas flopped at Barca and Ozil rocked at Madrid?

by Bankz Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:07 pm

Isn't it enough reason? Or u just ignored the other part were i said fabregas was better than ozil at other situations like him actually being better than ozil for arsenal and maybe for chelsea?
Or do u genuinely think fabregas would do better than ozil in bayern or barca? Lol. Lets even forget the part where ozil smokes fabregas for barbecue in Madrid as against fabregas for barca.

by El Gunner Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:13 pm

No my response isn't to give off the impression that I am pro-Fabregas, I just think it is a poor way to compare players in such a manner like you did in terms of how both of them have faired in "elite" and "average" teams in the past. There's got to be more than that.

by futbol Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:18 pm

They are both big game chokers but Özil is at least not a turtle with a donkey touch, turning radius of a truck and spatial awareness of a horse with blinkers on.

by Doc Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:32 pm

RealGunner wrote:Fabregas Anyday

Never forget

by eyeopener Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:47 pm

David Silva shits on them both, big time.

by LeBéninois Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:40 pm

eyeopener wrote:David Silva shits on them both, big time.

Yeah but why bring him up ?

They are kinda on a similar level right now but I have the feeling Fabregas won't get better rather than maintain his level whereas Ozil could get better depending of Wenger's tactics.
That being said Fabregas pre-Barca was such a special player. I'd take him over Ozil of Real madrid. Fabregas was a starting in a CL final and a WC at 21.

by jibers Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:23 pm

eyeopener wrote:David Silva shits on them both, big time.

Put Ozil in City and he would as good as Silva.

by RealGunner Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:32 pm

Probably better

by jibers Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:43 pm

RealGunner wrote:Probably better

I was being diplomatic Laughing

by El Gunner Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:13 pm

LeBéninois wrote:
eyeopener wrote:David Silva shits on them both, big time.

Yeah but why bring him up ?

Because he is the...

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by Curtinho Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:34 pm

Silva is miles better than Ozil as a footballer. Ozil would be better on City than Silva wtf lol

by RealGunner Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:47 pm

Curtinho wrote: IMO Silva is miles better than Ozil as a footballer. Ozil would be better on City than Silva wtf lol

fixed

by jibers Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:17 pm

Curtinho wrote:Silva is miles better than Ozil as a footballer. Ozil would be better on City than Silva wtf lol

Based on what exactly? The level Ozil played for Madrid is higher than anything Silva has produced in his career. Ozil is a better passer and better dribbler and is technically superior. Put Silva in Arsenal and he would't look any better.

by Curtinho Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:29 pm

We can agree to disagree. Silva is just as good a passer, is better under pressure, and is much better at one-twos and pass and move plays in tight spaces. I also don't think Ozil is a better dribbler or technically superior, Silva just doesn't hold onto the ball and is always trying to make smart decisions rather than forcing unnecessarily. Plus Silva is a better goal scorer, and the way he controls the tempo of a match is really something to watch. He's just a more intelligent player overall, is a better team player and is more versatile.

When I say Silva is underrated to most people it's not because I don't think people rate him. It's because I think he might be the best at his job in the world. IMO. I don't think he's appreciated enough.

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