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Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by Forza Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:51 pm
*Note that the following is partly hypothetical*
Predicted results:
Group A
1st PSG
2nd Porto
Note: Porto are currently ahead by a point, but PSG play them at home on matchday 6. Expect PSG to win.
Group B
1st Schalke
2nd Arsenal
Note: Arsenal will need to win v Olympiakos and hope Schalke lose to Montpellier (which won't happen).
Group C
1st Malaga
2nd AC Milan
Note: These positions cannot change.
Group D
1st Dortmund
2nd Real Madrid
Note: These positions cannot change.
Group E
1st Shakhtar
2nd Juventus
Note: I'm assuming Juve draw in Donetsk.
Group F
1st Bayern
2nd Valencia
Note: I expect both teams will beat the other teams in their group on the last matchday.
Group G
1st Barca
2nd Celtic
Note: Celtic will probably defeat Spartak Moscow (who sit rock bottom and have nothing to play for), whilst Benfica will lose to Barca. Top spot is secure for Barca regardless, but they will no doubt still try to win it.
Group H
1st Man U
2nd Galatasaray
Note: Similar to group G, this is very interesting in that the clubs fighting for 2nd (Cluj and Galatasaray) are against 2 teams that have nothing to play for in Man U (secured 1st place) and Braga (rock bottom and out of Europe). That being said, I think Man U at home will get the win over Cluj anyway, whereas Braga won't even bother turning up to face the Turks.
This would mean that:
1st place teams
PSG could draw: Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Schalke could draw: Porto, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Malaga could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Juve, Celtic, Galatasaray
Dortmund could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Shakhtar could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Bayern could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Celtic, Galatasaray
Barca could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Juve, Galatasaray
Man U could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic
2nd place teams
Porto could draw: Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Arsenal could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
Milan could draw: PSG, Schalke, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Madrid could draw: PSG, Schalke, Shakhtar, Bayern, Man U
Juve could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Valencia could draw: PSG, Schalke, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Man U
Celtic could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Man U
Galatasaray: Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
Predicted results:
Group A
1st PSG
2nd Porto
Note: Porto are currently ahead by a point, but PSG play them at home on matchday 6. Expect PSG to win.
Group B
1st Schalke
2nd Arsenal
Note: Arsenal will need to win v Olympiakos and hope Schalke lose to Montpellier (which won't happen).
Group C
1st Malaga
2nd AC Milan
Note: These positions cannot change.
Group D
1st Dortmund
2nd Real Madrid
Note: These positions cannot change.
Group E
1st Shakhtar
2nd Juventus
Note: I'm assuming Juve draw in Donetsk.
Group F
1st Bayern
2nd Valencia
Note: I expect both teams will beat the other teams in their group on the last matchday.
Group G
1st Barca
2nd Celtic
Note: Celtic will probably defeat Spartak Moscow (who sit rock bottom and have nothing to play for), whilst Benfica will lose to Barca. Top spot is secure for Barca regardless, but they will no doubt still try to win it.
Group H
1st Man U
2nd Galatasaray
Note: Similar to group G, this is very interesting in that the clubs fighting for 2nd (Cluj and Galatasaray) are against 2 teams that have nothing to play for in Man U (secured 1st place) and Braga (rock bottom and out of Europe). That being said, I think Man U at home will get the win over Cluj anyway, whereas Braga won't even bother turning up to face the Turks.
| 1st | 2nd |
| PSG Schalke Malaga Dortmund Shakhtar Bayern Barca Man U | Porto Arsenal Milan Madrid Juve Valencia Celtic Galatasaray |
This would mean that:
1st place teams
PSG could draw: Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Schalke could draw: Porto, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Malaga could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Juve, Celtic, Galatasaray
Dortmund could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Shakhtar could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Bayern could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Celtic, Galatasaray
Barca could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Juve, Galatasaray
Man U could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic
2nd place teams
Porto could draw: Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Arsenal could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
Milan could draw: PSG, Schalke, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Madrid could draw: PSG, Schalke, Shakhtar, Bayern, Man U
Juve could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Valencia could draw: PSG, Schalke, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Man U
Celtic could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Man U
Galatasaray: Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by The Franchise Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:55 pm
Depends who you are.
As a Barca fan, I dont have much problem with Porto, Arsenal, Milan or Galatasaray.
Dont want Juve, but I dont want Shakhtar either.
As a Barca fan, I dont have much problem with Porto, Arsenal, Milan or Galatasaray.
Dont want Juve, but I dont want Shakhtar either.
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by Le Samourai Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:58 pm
Just give us United.
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by urbaNRoots Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:07 am
I'm taking Arsenal for example:
Finish 2nd - Arsenal could draw: PSG, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
Malaga the only team I think we would have a chance to beat IMO.
Finish 1st - Arsenal could draw: Porto, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Arsenal can beat Porto, Milan, Valencia, Celtic and Galatasaray from that crop IMO.
Mathematically speaking Arsenal have a better chance of going through finishing 1st (if tables will be predicted correctly), but that hardly means anything as we can finish 1st, get Juventus and go out anyway so I'm not really bothered where we finish as we'll probably go out anyway.
It was nice to see Arsenal play CL football every season, not anymore
Finish 2nd - Arsenal could draw: PSG, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
Malaga the only team I think we would have a chance to beat IMO.
Finish 1st - Arsenal could draw: Porto, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Arsenal can beat Porto, Milan, Valencia, Celtic and Galatasaray from that crop IMO.
Mathematically speaking Arsenal have a better chance of going through finishing 1st (if tables will be predicted correctly), but that hardly means anything as we can finish 1st, get Juventus and go out anyway so I'm not really bothered where we finish as we'll probably go out anyway.
It was nice to see Arsenal play CL football every season, not anymore
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:14 pm
lol at the teams we could draw 
Should have finished first, i hope we get PSG then. But Uefa will probably put us against Shaktar, Bayern or Man U
Should have finished first, i hope we get PSG then. But Uefa will probably put us against Shaktar, Bayern or Man U
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by guest7 Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:24 pm
i hope we get man u tbh, i want a exciting big game
bayern will probably win us and i dont want to play against PSG just becouse if we dont win CL i want them to win so Ibra can get his first CL
bayern will probably win us and i dont want to play against PSG just becouse if we dont win CL i want them to win so Ibra can get his first CL
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by S Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:33 pm
PSG arent good enough to win the CL this year anyway.
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by LeBéninois Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:40 pm
halamadrid2 wrote:lol at the teams we could draw
Should have finished first, i hope we get PSG then. But Uefa will probably put us against Shaktar, Bayern or Man U
do you truly believe it ??
PSG is not going to win CL
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:41 pm
yh as Surag said, PSG are very average and are only getting results because Ibra is carrying them. i am confident if we met them we would proceed. But the rest are potentially very tricky games
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by jibers Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:42 pm
I hope we draw Celtic
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:43 pm
Bénin wrote:do you truly believe it ??
PSG is not going to win CL
no of course not, in reality its a guy randomly picking balls out of a bowl in front of us. The amount of times we get Ajax, Milan and Lyon tho makes it all very fishy. maybe there is some sort of mark on the balls (
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- just joking
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by sportsczy Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:53 pm
halamadrid2 wrote:yh as Surag said, PSG are very average and are only getting results because Ibra is carrying them. i am confident if we met them we would proceed. But the rest are potentially very tricky games
Not that i disagree... but Surag is a massive hater. I wouldn't rely on his opinion here.
According to PSG fan sites, the problem has been that Veratti and Thiago Motta have both been out due to either injury or suspension for most of the last 5_6 weeks. So PSG has actually been playing Maxwell the fullback in the midfield. The trio has been Maxwell, Matuidi and Chantome. Horrible midfield combo. Imagine Madrid playing with a trio of Khedira, Lass and Essien.... except the Madrid 3 are actually better lol.
Haven't seen them... but there's no way PSG can control play without both Veratti and Motta. They need a midfield link.
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by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:07 pm
sportsczy wrote:Not that i disagree... but Surag is a massive hater. I wouldn't rely on his opinion here.
According to PSG fan sites, the problem has been that Veratti and Thiago Motta have both been out due to either injury or suspension for most of the last 5_6 weeks. So PSG has actually been playing Maxwell the fullback in the midfield. The trio has been Maxwell, Matuidi and Chantome. Horrible midfield combo. Imagine Madrid playing with a trio of Khedira, Lass and Essien.... except the Madrid 3 are actually better lol.
Haven't seen them... but there's no way PSG can control play without both Veratti and Motta. They need a midfield link.
I have actually been quite impressed by Chantome tbh, Maxwell i do agree with you should be as far away from the line-up as possible. but I don't think thats the problem tbh guys like Nene, Pastore and Menez have been underperforming quite badly so far and PSG are finding it hard to create chances as a result(since the start of the season mind you Veratti was playing then), Lucas couldn't come any faster imho
Also glad to see you back safe and sound
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by sportsczy Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:12 pm
Thanks dude.
Nene doesn't play (Lavezzi and Menez are starters). Heard Menez has been ok. Pastore flopping is the problem as he was supposed to be the AM.
Lucas Moura will be in Paris soon. He should push things along. Veratti and Motta are the 2 most important pieces though.
PSG fans are claiming that Ozil or Goetze are the 2 guys on the radar.
Nene doesn't play (Lavezzi and Menez are starters). Heard Menez has been ok. Pastore flopping is the problem as he was supposed to be the AM.
Lucas Moura will be in Paris soon. He should push things along. Veratti and Motta are the 2 most important pieces though.
PSG fans are claiming that Ozil or Goetze are the 2 guys on the radar.
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by RED Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:14 pm
I hope we don't get Real Madrid or Juventus. I'm afraid it could be lights out for us if we draw them.
Praying we get Celtic. All the other teams have a good chance of knocking us out, depending on what type of form we are in come February. We play like we are atm, then we don't have a chance.
Celtic is the only team I am fully confident that United could beat.
Praying we get Celtic. All the other teams have a good chance of knocking us out, depending on what type of form we are in come February. We play like we are atm, then we don't have a chance.
Celtic is the only team I am fully confident that United could beat.
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by RealGunner Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:22 pm
I hope we finish first and get Galatasaray or Celtic lol
All the other teams are better than us
All the other teams are better than us
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by Kaladin Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:25 pm
Forza Rossoneri wrote:*Note that the following is partly hypothetical*
Predicted results:
Group A
1st PSG
2nd Porto
Note: Porto are currently ahead by a point, but PSG play them at home on matchday 6. Expect PSG to win.
Group B
1st Schalke
2nd Arsenal
Note: Arsenal will need to win v Olympiakos and hope Schalke lose to Montpellier (which won't happen).
Group C
1st Malaga
2nd AC Milan
Note: These positions cannot change.
Group D
1st Dortmund
2nd Real Madrid
Note: These positions cannot change.
Group E
1st Shakhtar
2nd Juventus
Note: I'm assuming Juve draw in Donetsk.
Group F
1st Bayern
2nd Valencia
Note: I expect both teams will beat the other teams in their group on the last matchday.
Group G
1st Barca
2nd Celtic
Note: Celtic will probably defeat Spartak Moscow (who sit rock bottom and have nothing to play for), whilst Benfica will lose to Barca. Top spot is secure for Barca regardless, but they will no doubt still try to win it.
Group H
1st Man U
2nd Galatasaray
Note: Similar to group G, this is very interesting in that the clubs fighting for 2nd (Cluj and Galatasaray) are against 2 teams that have nothing to play for in Man U (secured 1st place) and Braga (rock bottom and out of Europe). That being said, I think Man U at home will get the win over Cluj anyway, whereas Braga won't even bother turning up to face the Turks.
1st 2nd PSG
Schalke
Malaga
Dortmund
Shakhtar
Bayern
Barca
Man UPorto
Arsenal
Milan
Madrid
Juve
Valencia
Celtic
Galatasaray
This would mean that:
1st place teams
PSG could draw: Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Schalke could draw: Porto, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Malaga could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Juve, Celtic, Galatasaray
Dortmund could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Juve, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Shakhtar could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Valencia, Celtic, Galatasaray
Bayern could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Celtic, Galatasaray
Barca could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Juve, Galatasaray
Man U could draw: Porto, Arsenal, Milan, Madrid, Juve, Valencia, Celtic
2nd place teams
Porto could draw: Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Arsenal could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
Milan could draw: PSG, Schalke, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Madrid could draw: PSG, Schalke, Shakhtar, Bayern, Man U
Juve could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Bayern, Barca, Man U
Valencia could draw: PSG, Schalke, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Man U
Celtic could draw: PSG, Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Man U
Galatasaray: Schalke, Malaga, Dortmund, Shakhtar, Bayern, Barca
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:28 pm
you can beat Schalke IMHO, that team is just getting worse and worse
But whatever happens this years last 16 will be very eventful
But whatever happens this years last 16 will be very eventful
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by RealGunner Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:28 pm
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by sportsczy Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:29 pm
HM2.... are we as average as the media is writing? Reading Spanish media is like a bad soap opera. Can't figure out a thing lol.
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by RealGunner Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:31 pm
Half the squad is off form Sports. Plus the injuries to Marcelo and Higuain are proving to be costly
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by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:33 pm
sportsczy wrote:HM2.... are we as average as the media is writing? Reading Spanish media is like a bad soap opera. Can't figure out a thing lol.
As bad as ever dude. Nothing seems to be clicking. Benzema is picking up form tho while the rest are just meh especially Ozil and to some extent Ronaldo
Cacktrao has been fine so far while Arbeloa is showing ageing.
EDIT: forgot the injury to Marcelo which has taken a bad hit on our team particularly on Ronaldo who is having difficulties scoring these days
Essien filled in for Marcelo against Dortmund can you believe that
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by Jack Daniels Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:34 pm
LOL at Milan options haha.
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Re: Might be better to finish 2nd in your Champions League group
by Adit Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:34 pm
dont forget di maria being shet Hala 
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by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:35 pm
Adit wrote:dont forget di maria being shet Hala
not all season. I agree lately he has been meh ALONG with the rest lol. its not like he is the one who sticks out. there you have it i criticized him
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