Gündoğan: "My objective is to play in España or England

The reason Sahin failed at Madrid ( and Liverpool for that matter although its a little different) was his lack of agility and defensive ability.

Sahin is static as a mofo, while Gundogan is more like Xavi in his playing style.

Not to mention Sahin NEVER impressed at CL/EL level while Gundogan has owned that bitch harder than Keiran Lee.

I'm very confident if he ever left Dortmund for pastures new he would be a success.

Spoiler:

Sahin's ability wasn't the reason he failed at Real Madrid.

It was due to an injury and Mourinho not playing him.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:The reason Sahin failed at Madrid ( and Liverpool for that matter although its a little different) was his lack of agility and defensive ability.

Sahin is static as a mofo, while Gundogan is more like Xavi in his playing style.

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yeah i think that's why mou went after Modric, he is a lot more dynamic. that being said, what did him in was mourinho losing confidence in him imo, it shattered him.

I know Madrid are looking at Gundogan for that Alonso replacement though. Pardo as well.

Every (german) Player wants to play for Barca or Madrid. The climate alone is reason enough.

Yohan Modric wrote:Barcelona and Real Madrid don't need him.

The other clubs in Spain aren't good enough for him. In terms of the EPL, maybe Liverpool, however they're not in the CL.

Arsenal, they already have Wilshere, Cazorla and Arteta for midfield.

Man Utd have Carrick and Cleverley.

Chelsea maybe. He could play alongside Mikel.

Man City, he can be a replacement for Barry, if they want to replace him.

Spurs don't need him with Dembele already there.

We defo need him.

RealGunner wrote:Bid 6m + Arshavin ffs

I really want to know the origin of this

Would be a bit stupid to sign for Barca or Madrid

Would be the perfect player to take over from Xavi or Alonso, and would also been exactly what United needs. Hope he doesnt leave Dortmund for a while though. Then again, we saw what happenned to Gundogan when Sahin left, and the same thing could very well happen to Leitner is Gundogan leaves. Dortmunds youth academy is really producing some excellent taoents recently.

Well unless Gundogan gets injured/moves while he's injured and moves to a club that already has a top playmaker, then I'm sure what happened to Sahin won't happen to him.

dunno why such a fuzz is made again and the translation hardly matters. when you're a player and some paper asks you a question you might as well give (an often obvious) answer. who wouldn't wanna play there?

He's better than Sahin ever was, and has proven it at the highest level, for two years now.

well sahin got a bit screwed, but i cant really fault mourinho- it was no ones fault. when sahin played before and after his injury he played with very little confidence, particularly after his injury. he did well during the games he did play BUT he never took the risks and the long balls that brought him so much attention at dortmund.

sahin and gundogan are both fantastic players and both have lots of potential and could play at any top club. sahin's issue is confidence and mobility.

I get why it's so attractive to push for a move to play for Barca/Madrid but all these players who actively seek moves out knowing that unless they vastly improve they're going to be bench material that plays against scrubs have their priorities wrong.

Would it not be better to move to a big club who actually needed you?

Or maybe and this might seem crazy.... stay at Dortmund?

That does sound crazy

Dortmund are a good club, however the EPL and La Liga clubs are obviously better and are EPL/La Liga are better.

If Dortmund were in one those 2 leagues, then staying wouldn't be a bad idea.

Staying at Dortmund would be the best move for him. Theyre an elite team thats gotten better each year for a while now and are only going to continue getting better for a long time. They might sell some players like Lewandowski but their youth academy is very good and theyre in a good financial position. I see them being an elite team for a long time to come.

Clubs like Dortmund don't last long. Keep dreaming.

Klopp, Gotze, Reus etc will soon look for a new challenge.

I dont see Gotze and Reus going anywhere anytime soon. And they lasted long back in the 90's. Saying "clubs like them dont last long is just stupid". In fact, for pretty much the entire decade of the 90's, Dortmund was superior to Barcelona. Barcelonas histofy was really planted in the early 2000's. They were always a famous club that players wanted to play for, but they were never really a truly prestigious club on the level of Bayern, Real, Milan, etc until the 2000's. Chelsea too. Dortmund has a good past where theyve been an on-and-off top team, and i see no reason why they cant sustain being among the top now.

Gil wrote:Clubs like Dortmund don't last long. Keep dreaming.

Klopp, Gotze, Reus etc will soon look for a new challenge.

Actually, Dortmund finally have a good management since their almost-collapse in 2005. Kloppo will stay at least till 2016 as he repeatedly stated, and as long as Dortmund stays adequately successful, there will be little pressure on him.

He can develop young players as he likes and in the BL the (German) fans usually prefer young self-grown players to expensive big names, too, so people are usually excited when youngsters get playing time (My impression is that it is usually outside fans who demand expensive signings, while the fans here love their local players a lot.)

The relations between him and the Dortmund big wigs look exemplary, too, and the environment there is fine, as well, with a good academy, innovative technology (remember the Footbonaut?), great stadium and fans etc.

Sign him up Roman.

While you're at it, get Lewandowski too.

Gil wrote:Clubs like Dortmund don't last long. Keep dreaming.

Klopp, Gotze, Reus etc will soon look for a new challenge.

Lol wat? Barca barely existed before the late 90ies and Dortmund spent City-money back then (inflation adjusted, that is) - why wouldn't they last?
They got a 80k seat stadium they fill every week, they got one of the world's best coachs, they're in the UCL semi, all their best players are 23 and younger, they got a great offense, midfield, and defense, and are only like 3 bench players away from being just as deep as Utd, Barca etc, basically anyone but Bayern/City/Real.

Why the shit would anyone leave that club, besides a pay raise?

Dortmund are a good side, however I don't think they have the resources like other top teams do. They're not really an elite club like Real Madrid, Man Utd, Barca etc yet. At the end of the day I'm sure a player like Gotze wants to play in the EPL/La Liga.

A lot of their top players are constantly linked away from the club. If they were an elite club, I'm sure that wouldn't really happen.

That's a self-fulfilling prophecy though. If they just stayed put, it'd be an elite club.

Gil wrote:Clubs like Dortmund don't last long. Keep dreaming.

Klopp, Gotze, Reus etc will soon look for a new challenge.

juventus101 wrote:I dont see Gotze going anywhere anytime soon.

Asshole move yeah but I just had to rub it in bro