Re: Are Bundesliga and Serie A done?

by The_Badger Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:19 pm

zigra wrote:So many people on here never watch games of certain leagues and still think they are so clever and know all. It's just embarassing. As Hans said every point had to be earned and Bayern could've easily dropped points in a lot of games. Especially in the first two or three months many fans were not too happy with the defending and it was only poor finishing from the opposition that made the numbers look so good. Of couse you would only know such things if you actually would watch the games.

And yeah of course Bayern were favourites to win the title at the start of the season but no - it certainly wasn't decided back then.

Never a truer word said. Thumbs up

by RED Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:20 pm

Roma can still can catch Juve. Why not? Making up 8 points isn't exactly impossible, Regardless of how strong Juve are.

Remember when Utd were 8 points ahead of City with like 8 games to go in 2012? We bottled it and City won the title.

Bundesliga is done. Ain't no one catching that Bayern team with that much points ahead.

by Art Morte Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:29 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Art Morte wrote:Bundesliga's title race was over before a ball was kicked. Injuries to Dortmund or anyone else mean nothing, they are bound to happen, the best teams cope with them.

Bayern Munich won the last season by 25 points ffs, of course they were going to win this season, too. The only question is whether they will win by more or less than 25 points.

I have to call bullshit on this one. Complete, utter bullshit.

Bayern won the Bundesliga as many times in the last decade as Man Utd. Utd won the league last year by how many points? 15 or something? So that was decided before a ball was kicked, too?
Like Utd, Bayern had a change in manager as well, in case you forgot.

Dortmund strengthened in summer, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang were instant hits, and they started off very strong.

This 'it was decided bla bla' is just knee-jerk and hindsight infused talk by people trying to be clever and extra blasé, sorry.

Do you watch the league? Teams like Mainz and Freiburg, or *bleep* Hertha this season, tend to pull off really strong performances against us, every goddamn point has to be worked for, week in week out.

We'll in all likelyhood win the league again as we have a well-functioning team, and because Pep has done some simply outstanding work, more than could ever be expected.
Keeping in mind we had to deal with long term injuries for Schweinsteiger, Götze, Thiago, Martinez, Robben, Shaquiri, Pizarro (and Badstuber of course) and short injuries for Lahm and Ribery.

Dortmund was even more heavily hit by injuries, that's why their comparative lack of depth showed earlier in the season than usual.

None of this is 'decided before a ball is kicked'. Nonsense.

Sorry to break it to you, buddy, but Bundesliga was indeed decided before a ball was kicked Smile

Bayern already had the strongest squad, then went on to buy one of Dortmund's best players and have a deal in place to buy their next best one. They make almost 200m euros more money annually than the next richest club (Dortmund) and are just dominating the league on and off the pitch. It was indeed clear who was going to win the title this season, regardless whether the manager was Heynckes, Guardiola or Mickey Mouse.

As I said, the only point of interest is whether Guardiola's Bayern is going to win it by more than 25 pts or less.

I respect and admire the Bundesliga in many ways, but currently there's only one club who are going to win the title.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:38 pm

Art Morte wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
Art Morte wrote:Bundesliga's title race was over before a ball was kicked. Injuries to Dortmund or anyone else mean nothing, they are bound to happen, the best teams cope with them.

Bayern Munich won the last season by 25 points ffs, of course they were going to win this season, too. The only question is whether they will win by more or less than 25 points.

I have to call bullshit on this one. Complete, utter bullshit.

Bayern won the Bundesliga as many times in the last decade as Man Utd. Utd won the league last year by how many points? 15 or something? So that was decided before a ball was kicked, too?
Like Utd, Bayern had a change in manager as well, in case you forgot.

Dortmund strengthened in summer, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang were instant hits, and they started off very strong.

This 'it was decided bla bla' is just knee-jerk and hindsight infused talk by people trying to be clever and extra blasé, sorry.

Do you watch the league? Teams like Mainz and Freiburg, or *bleep* Hertha this season, tend to pull off really strong performances against us, every goddamn point has to be worked for, week in week out.

We'll in all likelyhood win the league again as we have a well-functioning team, and because Pep has done some simply outstanding work, more than could ever be expected.
Keeping in mind we had to deal with long term injuries for Schweinsteiger, Götze, Thiago, Martinez, Robben, Shaquiri, Pizarro (and Badstuber of course) and short injuries for Lahm and Ribery.

Dortmund was even more heavily hit by injuries, that's why their comparative lack of depth showed earlier in the season than usual.

None of this is 'decided before a ball is kicked'. Nonsense.

Sorry to break it to you, buddy, but Bundesliga was indeed decided before a ball was kicked

Bayern already had the strongest squad, then went on to buy one of Dortmund's best players and have a deal in place to buy their next best one. They make almost 200m euros more money annually than the next richest club (Dortmund) and are just dominating the league on and off the pitch. It was indeed clear who was going to win the title this season, regardless whether the manager was Heynckes, Guardiola or Mickey Mouse.

As I said, the only point of interest is whether Guardiola's Bayern is going to win it by more than 25 pts or less.

I respect and admire the Bundesliga in many ways, but currently there's only one club who are going to win the title.

lol, so much knowledge after the fact. 'the only point of interest is ..", as I said, you're being blasé courtesy of the magical powers of hindsight.
Do you watch the games? Or you just deciding the winners with a keyboard stroke?

Dortmund ran away with the league 2 years ago, we'd been struggling to win it for years, and our manager wasn't Mickey Mouse, not even Goofy, but Van Gaal and Heynckes.
The closest to Mickey Mouse was Klinsmann, and how did he do lol.

Stop it, you don't know what you're talking about.

by Art Morte Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:54 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Art Morte wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:

I have to call bullshit on this one. Complete, utter bullshit.

Bayern won the Bundesliga as many times in the last decade as Man Utd. Utd won the league last year by how many points? 15 or something? So that was decided before a ball was kicked, too?
Like Utd, Bayern had a change in manager as well, in case you forgot.

Dortmund strengthened in summer, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang were instant hits, and they started off very strong.

This 'it was decided bla bla' is just knee-jerk and hindsight infused talk by people trying to be clever and extra blasé, sorry.

Do you watch the league? Teams like Mainz and Freiburg, or *bleep* Hertha this season, tend to pull off really strong performances against us, every goddamn point has to be worked for, week in week out.

We'll in all likelyhood win the league again as we have a well-functioning team, and because Pep has done some simply outstanding work, more than could ever be expected.
Keeping in mind we had to deal with long term injuries for Schweinsteiger, Götze, Thiago, Martinez, Robben, Shaquiri, Pizarro (and Badstuber of course) and short injuries for Lahm and Ribery.

Dortmund was even more heavily hit by injuries, that's why their comparative lack of depth showed earlier in the season than usual.

None of this is 'decided before a ball is kicked'. Nonsense.

Sorry to break it to you, buddy, but Bundesliga was indeed decided before a ball was kicked

Bayern already had the strongest squad, then went on to buy one of Dortmund's best players and have a deal in place to buy their next best one. They make almost 200m euros more money annually than the next richest club (Dortmund) and are just dominating the league on and off the pitch. It was indeed clear who was going to win the title this season, regardless whether the manager was Heynckes, Guardiola or Mickey Mouse.

As I said, the only point of interest is whether Guardiola's Bayern is going to win it by more than 25 pts or less.

I respect and admire the Bundesliga in many ways, but currently there's only one club who are going to win the title.

lol, so much knowledge after the fact. 'the only point of interest is ..", as I said, you're being blasé courtesy of the magical powers of hindsight.
Do you watch the games? Or you just deciding the winners with a keyboard stroke?

Dortmund ran away with the league 2 years ago, we'd been struggling to win it for years, and our manager wasn't Mickey Mouse, not even Goofy, but Van Gaal and Heynckes.
The closest to Mickey Mouse was Klinsmann, and how did he do lol.

Stop it, you don't know what you're talking about.

I watch the occasional Bundesliga match - but would wonder why would you even need to watch the league to be able to tell that Bayern Munich are the one and only title contender there right now? 25 points hardly lie Very Happy

Or a 10 point gap by the half-way point of this season with a game in hand.

You're talking about two years ago... I'm talking about the present. And in the present it's Munich who have such a clear advantage over everyone. To the point where this season's title was decided before a ball was kicked.

If Munich win the title by less than 10 points then I'll admit that others had a chance, too. Let's see how it's going to be.

by Forza Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:32 pm

M99 wrote:Bundesliga was done 2 months ago. Serie A is done if Juventus do not take the Europa League seriously.

Agreed.

In many ways, the BuLi was done before it even began (as usual) due to Bayern's huge financial advantage which is cleverly used year upon year to enhance a squad that is not only already packed with quality, but also has superb depth on the bench and in the reserves. Dortmund, the only team that could mount a serious challenge, have a comparable (but by no means equal) level of first-team quality, however they lack the level of depth to be able to compete at their highest level on 3 fronts. Leverkusen obviously don't have the level of 1st team quality or the levels of depth that the other 2 clubs have. Nevertheless, they have a reasonably well-organised team whose priority is securing a CL spot for next season and enough quality to distinguish themselves from the chasing pack of bundesfodder.

Regarding Serie A, put simply, although Juventus dropping 8 points is improbable, it is not impossible. Therefore, I find it premature to call the league "done" half way through.

by rwo power Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:44 pm

Actually I hope that Bayern go through the CL again like the last season with convincing wins in the knock-outs so that people will see it is not the fault of the BL for being weak, but for Bayern being really strong...

by Winter is Coming Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:05 pm

rwo power wrote:Actually I hope that Bayern go through the CL again like the last season with convincing wins in the knock-outs so that people will see it is not the fault of the BL for being weak, but for Bayern being really strong...

That still won't convince anyone. Barcelona under Pep are regraded as one of the best clubs to play the game and to some the best club to play ever. They're also the most successful club in the CL era and despite RM spending million could rarely keep up to them, so how would other La Liga teams? La Liga has also been the top 3 of UEFA coefficient in the past 4-5 years. They also have the most years leading in Europe with 16 followed by EPL with 15, Serie A with 13 and Buli with 10. So what makes you think people will change their mind on if BM won another CL. If they didn't change their mind on La Liga? People acknowledge BM strength and know there favourites, so it wouldn't be a surprise if they win, but also won't change peoples mind.

by Motogp69 Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:13 pm

On their current form Bayern would walk every league in the world.

Don't worry about Roma, we got this :coffee:

However, I rooted for Lazio today which made me vomit in my mouth.

by Highburied Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:20 pm

Congratz Bayern.

Now, sell us Mandzukic please

by Gil Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:22 pm

City have scored more goals than any other club in Europe this season yet are still only 2nd in the League and 1 point ahead of Chelsea. Same club that finished level on points with Bayern in the CL and beat them in their own stadium.

Bayern wouldn't walk anything because the Bundesliga is significantly weaker than the PL despite what the fanboys claim.

by Motogp69 Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:32 pm

Gil wrote:City have scored more goals than any other club in Europe this season yet are still only 2nd in the League and 1 point ahead of Chelsea. Same club that finished level on points with Bayern in the CL and beat them in their own stadium.

Bayern wouldn't walk anything because the Bundesliga is significantly weaker than the PL despite what the fanboys claim.

Oh Gil, you are so cute when you are trolling :coffee:

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by Winter is Coming Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:40 pm

Gil wrote:City have scored more goals than any other club in Europe this season yet are still only 2nd in the League and 1 point ahead of Chelsea. Same club that finished level on points with Bayern in the CL and beat them in their own stadium.

Bayern wouldn't walk anything because the Bundesliga is significantly weaker than the PL despite what the fanboys claim.

City started off poor especially with the away record in the start, but since their last defeat to Sunderland (I believe) which was Nov 10th they haven't lost a game (19 games played since then) having a 17-2-0 record (both draws being away) in all competition.

by Lord Spencer Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:05 pm

Juventus could be caught if Tevez or Pirlo get injured. Especially Tevez, because they don't have a good backup for him.

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:13 pm

If they can win the league with Matri they don't even need Tevez.

Says more about SA than Juve tbh.

by S Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:31 am

Lord Spencer wrote:Juventus could be caught if Tevez or Pirlo get injured. Especially Tevez, because they don't have a good backup for him.

Like the previous 6-7 matchdays ? When we scored 4 goals pretty much every game ? Also lately he's been rotating with Marchisio so he isnt exactly a guaranteed starter now.One thing for sure,we're not as dependable on Pirlo than before.Infact , i feel we play better,at much faster pace and much more direct without Pirlo going by the last one month or so.

by Robespierre Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:46 am

Vidal more than Pirlo and Tevez

but anyway it wouldn't be enough . And then I don't think Roma would have the the necessary regularity to take advantage of this

by dronte Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:40 am

6 points now hmm

by Robespierre Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:47 am

indeed it is as -7 ... they lost 3-0 to Juventus Stadium...

by Casciavit Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:03 am

Oh please, Bayern wouldn't walk PL, La Liga nor Serie A like they do in the Bundesliga.

The top teams in those leagues have more depth than Dortmund which would have allowed them to not drop as many points from injuries. the quality of the midtable sides in the PL is higher than in the Bundesliga, so Bayern theoretically are more likely to drop points against midtable teams in PL, than in Bundesliga. Lets not forget that the top 3 teams in PL have lots of quality, which would give Bayern a hard time.

They probably would finish first in every league. But, there wouldn't be a 20 point difference between 1st and 2nd in PL, La Liga nor Serie A.

OT: Bundesliga is finished, Serie A is finished if Juve don't take EL seriously.

by Onyx Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:43 am

Bundesliga's definitely over, Serie A however I think it's Roma can catch Juventus. Serie A top teams are slightly better than Bundesliga's top teams overall.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:46 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Bundesliga's definitely over, Serie A however I think it's Roma can catch Juventus. Serie A top teams are slightly better than Bundesliga's top teams overall.

as is clearly visible in this year's CL campaign, lol

by zigra Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:24 pm

Lol wtf is this? Everyone knows Serie A is crap at the moment and no it won't change soon. Oh and pls don't tell me about how much potential your crap players and teams have. I really don't care. Just watch the results over the next years and you'll see.

by halamadrid2 Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:31 pm

Bundesliga is definitely done. I can see Bayern losing a couple of points here and there but not enough for Leverkusen/Dortmund to have a sniff at the title

Serie A is also done imo. Even if Juve took EL seriously (something I don't see) they will still win the league by a comfortable margin.

by Lord Spencer Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:38 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:Bundesliga's definitely over, Serie A however I think it's Roma can catch Juventus. Serie A top teams are slightly better than Bundesliga's top teams overall.

as is clearly visible in this year's CL campaign, lol

Because Napoli failing to qualify while having 12 points is a indictment of their quality hmm

by Lord Spencer Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:43 pm

S wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:Juventus could be caught if Tevez or Pirlo get injured. Especially Tevez, because they don't have a good backup for him.

Like the previous 6-7 matchdays ? When we scored 4 goals pretty much every game ? Also lately he's been rotating with Marchisio so he isnt exactly a guaranteed starter now.One thing for sure,we're not as dependable on Pirlo than before.Infact , i feel we play better,at much faster pace and much more direct without Pirlo going by the last one month or so.

Based on your match with Lazio, you were desperately trying to control the Tempo in the first half and only managed a tie due to Tevez's brilliance and Llorente's header, not to mention Storari's form.

Pirlo might not be missed against scrubs, but against the bigger teams is when you would really need him. Nonetheless, it is Tevez and Vidal that helps you most against the weaker teams. So losing Tevez would help. Vidal is important, but Marchisio can do a half decent job of subbing him, he cannot do the same for Pirlo.

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