Barclay's Premier League discussion '13-'14 V6

RedOranje wrote:That's three come-back 1-1 draws for Mel's West Brom against sides in the European chase/spots, isn't it?

RealGunner wrote:

Blue Barrett wrote:Would be funny if Arsenal drew tomorrow.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if we draw. United are winning this. No reverse jinx or whatever. History says it all. 2 wins in last 18 against United

But what was Liverpool's record against Arsenal prior to Saturday?  This season has been all about tearing up the history books, particularly when related to Manchester United.

man utd are going to shut us down easy, without walcott we literally have no goal threat, man utd are just going to compact the middle and hit us on the break, you watch its going to be easy for them.

liverpool have sturridge and suarez so you know they can always out score a team and play well in big games, we cant im telling you there is nothing there uptop.

Yes, and we've had an almost-entirely makeshift defense that tends to concede 2 goals a game away from home and half as many at home every match, whereas Arsenal have perhaps the best (or at the very least one of the best) defenses in the league, particularly in the current CB partnership. Why do people insist on knee-jerking to such extremes after every single slight change in fortunes? A shift in the direction of the winds does not generally indicate an oncoming typhoon.

RealGunner wrote:

Blue Barrett wrote:Would be funny if Arsenal drew tomorrow.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if we draw. United are winning this. No reverse jinx or whatever. History says it all. 2 wins in last 18 against United

haven't you heard about Moyes unparalleled string of historical record breaking?

El Gunner wrote:

Blue Barrett wrote:Would be funny if Arsenal drew tomorrow.

Oeeeh! You feel dat bro? What's dat feeling? Bitterness from points dropped.
Yep, you feel it.

Bitterness?

I'm not even expecting a title win this season. I'm just pleased we're in the race. Its a bonus for me if we win it but if we don't it doesn't bother me either because the team has progressed massively. We'll be set for next season.

I'm saying at the moment though, don't count your eggs before they hatch. I mean, its not like you've actually claimed the supposed automatic 3 points tomorrow yet.

"When I first started getting singled out, it stung," the midfielder told the Mirror. "But it's something you have got to learn to take when the team is not doing well.

"My job goes under the radar at times. I am not a player who's going to beat three or four people and stick it in the top corner or go round tackling people like Roy Keane.

"I would like the fans on my side and it hurts a little bit when you have grown up at the club and love the club every bit as much as the supporters.

"But there are other people in the current United squad who have been through this kind of thing and they have made sure their quality shone through.

"I have got to look at those people. I have learned to take it with a pinch of salt and I'm sure it will make me stronger for the rest of my career.

"I feel I've been made a scapegoat a little bit. A few people in the media certainly seem to have a perception of me not doing much in the team.

"Don't get me wrong, I know I can do better but people are making a big thing about how I don't score enough goals when that is not necessarily my first job in the team."

United fans might want to see Cleverley in a box-to-box role, but that is not the role Moyes has asked him to play with the United boss preferring him in a holding role.

"I watch Spanish football a lot," Cleverley says. "If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them.

"Their attitude is that as long as you have got the ball, the other team can't hurt you.

"I know the mentality is different here and that is what makes our game the best in the world because it is so intense.

"But sometimes I have got to not listen and play my game because I feel I'm doing the best thing for the team."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9160886/tom-cleverley-im-scapegoat-for-manchester-uniteds-struggles





To be honest, I can understand where he's coming from, though I'm not sure I completely agree with it. Grafters do tend to be the first and most prominent targets of complaints and criticisms when a top club's form (or worse) drops. Kuyt, Henderson, Lucas, and Ramsey all come to mind as having faced similar issues at one point or another in relatively recent memory. And when you're asked to play a specific role, it is a bit unfair to find yourself criticised for fulfilling that.

That said, I can't remember any of those players I mentioned complaining about it publicly (doesn't mean that they didn't, I just don't remember it) and they were all, to one level or another, underperforming along with their teams. That said, they all turned it around as well. It remains to be seen whether Cleverley (and United) can do the same.


This also strikes me a bit that it demonstrates just how fickle football (and football supporters) can be. How many young(ish) players over the years looked like stars in the making, future staples for big clubs and national sides alike, only to end up fading into obscurity? Cleverley has certainly fared better than many so far. And by contrast, I think there's also a fair number of players who've risen from relative obscurity into being proper stars. Most don't tend to be the flashiest of talents but they became or appear to be developing into, quite important players for their clubs and/or national sides despite receiving little attention and recognition previously.

Great moment for West Ham United.
10 points in last 4 matches, and even 4 consecutive clean sheets (one of which was at Stamford Birdge ! )
Big Sam Allardyce can ask a salary increase

Robespierre wrote:Great moment for West Ham United.
10 points in last 4 matches, and even 4 consecutive clean sheets (one of which was at Stamford Birdge ! )
Big Sam Allardyce can ask a salary increase

I have just seen that, what a turn around?   I guess Man city turn them in to winners. 

Fußball wrote:Mourinho dropping points against GOAT La Liga coach Pepe Mel. What's new?

Nothing to see here folks. Nothing new. Just GOAT Pepe Mel, just GOAT Liga

RedOranje wrote:Yes, and we've had an almost-entirely makeshift defense that tends to concede 2 goals a game away from home and half as many at home every match, whereas Arsenal have perhaps the best (or at the very least one of the best) defenses in the league, particularly in the current CB partnership.  Why do people insist on knee-jerking to such extremes after every single slight change in fortunes?  A shift in the direction of the winds does not generally indicate an oncoming typhoon.

We have the best defence in the league when it comes to Anfield (joint best with Arsenal).

Robespierre wrote:Great moment for West Ham United.
10 points in last 4 matches, and even 4 consecutive clean sheets (one of which was at Stamford Birdge ! )
Big Sam Allardyce can ask a salary increase

The Andy Carroll effect.

(Although he's probably missed 3/4 of those games from suspension. F*cking Chico. )

Chelsea result just put 1000 kg of pressure to us.

If we win tonight, back in termsssss

Need Moyes to pull through here. Get something ffs Moyesie, for the good of Merseyside.

Above all though we got to take care of our own match. Fulham are by far the worst team in the league this season. Suarez needs to turn his flat track bully suit on.

Moyes will get the result against Arsenal tonight.

He's secretly a Liverpool supporter.

You wouldn't think so after who he's managed but after you examine it, you'll start to see the light.

Wins Everton over for 10 years making them feel relevant despite them being Everton...... becomes a winner for his own managerial hype through the media/neutral fans and is now slowly destroying Fergie's era after he was the decided to be the "chosen" one despite being on the same level as Harry Redknapp ffs.

Liverpool fans treating Man utd like a mid table club

Dont be so relaxed .

Have you seen the table?

They're a "top half" team in theory, but they're still mid table.

Win or die!!!

This is what describes most of EPL games from now on.

10 Clubs fighting for existence..

Four clubs fighting for title. (Must win for Liverpool if they want to be in this category).

Man Utd and Spuds fighting for top four.

Anything less than three points for all these clubs is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

Interesting times ahead.

Got $50 on Arsenal.With my luck,Man U is gonna win.

Red Alert wrote:Have you seen the table?

They're a "top half" team in theory, but they're still mid table.

Still mid-table.............but still the champions  

Leviathan wrote:

Red Alert wrote:Have you seen the table?

They're a "top half" team in theory, but they're still mid table.

Still mid-table.............but still the champions  

Tbh from Champs to Mid table is quite embarrassing.

Highburied wrote:

Leviathan wrote:

Red Alert wrote:Have you seen the table?

They're a "top half" team in theory, but they're still mid table.

Still mid-table.............but still the champions  

Tbh from Champs to Mid table is quite embarrassing.

'quite'??????

'quite'???????????????????????????

It is embarrassing by cataclysmic proportions. But it is ok because Cleverley according to himself does what Xabi Alonso does, Valencia is going to prove he was the player to replace Ronaldo and Smalling may one day step up from the level he played at at Maidenhead  

Fußball wrote:Liverpool win against Fulham and they are 4 points within title distance.

Let's go, Commander Suarez.  

I hope this , it would be fantastic for the show
Premier League

Liverpool fans rooting on Yanited

why not, when even top 4 are also not clear, I say, make everything happen, throw all of the top 7 in the title race ffffs
In case we lose or draw tonight against Fulham, we are frracked, Spurs and Neverton will catch us

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:why not, when even top 4 are also not clear, I say, make everything happen, throw all of the top 7 in the title race ffffs
In case we lose or draw tonight against Fulham, we are frracked, Spurs and Neverton will catch us

If Arsenal win today and you manage to beat Fulham,you'd be 12 points above your main CL rival.Seriously,you should be more than happy with that considering your sole objective is to qualify for CL.Its also about being realistic,you know.

I had recently shown the stats that ManUtd must keep an average of title winning team to get back in the CL and I think that to get that kind of form overnight is very very very difficult. I know theoretically or mathematically it is still possible but being realistic, ManUtd still has some big games to face and to achieve a points/game ratio of almost 2.4 which will help them gain 31 points, in the end they will finish on 72 (41+31) points, now that is highly impossible according to me.

I am more worried about Spurs or Everton. Spurs are actually able to get some results. Also I think if there is a difference of 5 points difference between 2nd and 3rd and also there is a difference of 7 points between 3rd and 5th, therefore I would like to drag down anyone above us if that is possible, so a draw between Arsenal and ManUtd will still give 11 points gap between manUtd and Liverpool, in case we win tonight.