the most influential person behind the success

who is the most influential person behind the success of your beloved team?

for me as a boca juniors fan, i list down 3 most influential persons behind the success of the boca juniors in term of trophy or award or any equivalent won.

1. carlos bianchi (coach; 1998-2001, 2003-2004, 2013-till now)
pros
a) most successful boca coach in history
b) won 2 intercontinental cup: 2000, 2003
c) won 3 copa libertadores: 2000, 2001, 2003
d) won 4 primera división: 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003
e) won 1 copa sudamericana: 2004
f) won 4 south american coach of the year: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003
g) won 2 IFFHS world's best club coach: 2000, 2003

con
a) won none in 2 years: 1999 (no idea), 2013 (only had not so fit riquelme & orion (gk) as the only consistent performer in his team)

2. roman riquelme (playmaker: 1996-2002, 2007-till now)
pros
a) won best boca player in all time, voted by boca fan
b) won 1 intercontinental cup: 2000 (gave a nightmare to the combination of makelele (many regard as one of the best dm) + helguera + geremi)
c) won 3 copa libertadores: 2000, 2001, 2007 (single handily won it with russo as a coach)
d) won 5 primera división: 1998, 1999, 2000, 2008 (with ischia as a coach), 2011 (with falcioni as a coach)
e) won 1 recopa sudamericana: 2008 (with ischia as a coach)
f) won 1 copa argentina: 2012 (with falcioni as a coach)
g) won 1 south american footballer of the year: 2001
h) won 1 copa libertadores most valuable player: 2007 (single handily won it with russo as a coach)
i) won 4 argentine footballer of the year: 2000, 2001, 2008 (with ischia as a coach), 2011 (with falcioni as a coach)
j) won 1 best argentine midfielder by Olé: 2012 (with falcioni as a coach)
j) won 1 best local Argentine player by Olé: 2012 (with falcioni as a coach)
k) boca top scorer in copa libertadores (despite as a playmaker)

con
a) lose 1 intercontinental cup: 2001 (for me, bayern marking him like hell that should be 4 or 5 incidents that deserve red card)
b) won none in 5 years: 1996 (18 years old), 1997 (19 y.o), 2009 (with alves as a coach), 2010 (with basile, then alves, then pompeii, then borghi, then pompeii back as a coach), 2013 (with bianchi (most successful boca coach but with average teamate & suck defensive player)
c) from 2009 - 2013, often face injury problem

3. diego maradona (s.s turn a.m: 1981-1982, 1995-1998)
pros
a) won second best boca player in all time, voted by boca fan
b) won 1 primera división: 1981 (with marzolini as a coach)
c) won 1 argentine football writers' footballer of the year: 1981

con
a) won none in copa libertadores & intercontinental cup
b) won none in 5 years: 1982, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998

my rank for the most influential persons behind the success of the boca juniors are:
1. roman riquelme
-won many times despite against the odd many times

2. carlos bianchi
-won many times, but can be argue that his winning team was almost full of good players

3. diego maradona
-won little in boca shirt, but his performance can't be denied

Easy, Abramovich.

Bill Shankly.

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Bill Shankly.

how about bob paisley or steven gerrard or gerrard houllier?

Kick wrote:Easy, Abramovich.

how about mourinho or drogba or lampard or john terry?

guest_07 wrote:

Kick wrote:Easy, Abramovich.

how about mourinho or drogba or lampard or john terry?

Without Abra, there would have been no Mourinho or Drogba.

Terry and Lampard could have been sold long ago as we had debt issues when Abramovich took over.

Johan Cruyff

Kick wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

Kick wrote:Easy, Abramovich.

how about mourinho or drogba or lampard or john terry?

Without Abra, there would have been no Mourinho or Drogba.

Terry and Lampard could have been sold long ago as we had debt issues when Abramovich took over.

if in ranking, how it looks like?

1. abramovich, follow by?

Winter is Coming wrote:Johan Cruyff

how about messi or xavi or pep or ronaldinho?

in ranking, how it looks like?

guest_07 wrote:

Kick wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

how about mourinho or drogba or lampard or john terry?

Without Abra, there would have been no Mourinho or Drogba.

Terry and Lampard could have been sold long ago as we had debt issues when Abramovich took over.

if in ranking, how it looks like?

1. abramovich, follow by?

2. Mourinho
3. Zola
4. JT, Lampard, Drogba

Kick wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

Kick wrote:

Without Abra, there would have been no Mourinho or Drogba.

Terry and Lampard could have been sold long ago as we had debt issues when Abramovich took over.

if in ranking, how it looks like?

1. abramovich, follow by?

2. Mourinho
3. Zola
4. JT, Lampard, Drogba

thanks for the input

guest_07 wrote:

Winter is Coming wrote:Johan Cruyff

how about messi or xavi or pep or ronaldinho?

in ranking, how it looks like?

1. Cruyff
2. Dinho
3. Pep
4. Messi
5. Xavi (May jump up the list once he retires and becomes our coaches and wins a couple CL titles, also coaching Spain to another World Cup)

guest_07 wrote:

Kick wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

if in ranking, how it looks like?

1. abramovich, follow by?

2. Mourinho
3. Zola
4. JT, Lampard, Drogba

thanks for the input

i'm curious, was zola one of the best chelsea player in all time?

Winter is Coming wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

Winter is Coming wrote:Johan Cruyff

how about messi or xavi or pep or ronaldinho?

in ranking, how it looks like?

1. Cruyff
2. Dinho
3. Pep
4. Messi
5. Xavi (May jump up the list once he retires and becomes our coaches and wins a couple CL titles, also coaching Spain to another World Cup)

dinho in front of pep & messi?

Cruyff
Pep
Messi
Ronaldinho

would be my top 4.

even though i'm not mu fan, i think i'm correct if i say ferguson was the most influential in mu, but i'm don't know who will be the next

guest_07 wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

Kick wrote:

2. Mourinho
3. Zola
4. JT, Lampard, Drogba

thanks for the input

i'm curious, was zola one of the best chelsea player in all time?

He was the best, he carried the Chelsea team for years before Abramovich bought it.

Without his influence, I doubt Abramovich would have bought the club.

guest_07 wrote:

Winter is Coming wrote:

guest_07 wrote:

how about messi or xavi or pep or ronaldinho?

in ranking, how it looks like?

1. Cruyff
2. Dinho
3. Pep
4. Messi
5. Xavi (May jump up the list once he retires and becomes our coaches and wins a couple CL titles, also coaching Spain to another World Cup)

dinho in front of pep & messi?

Dinho bought us a lot of global recognition and after many years bough smile/joy to the Camp Nou. Also won many titles including a CL. If it wasn't for him, who knows there may have never been Pep or Messi.

how about real madrid? any real fan out there?

to roma fan, was totti the most infuential person behind roma's success?

in ranking, how it looks like?

how about batistuta or fabio capello?

same with fiorentina

if i'm not mistaken, batistuta is most influential person, but the next person, i don't have any idea

may be rui costa or toldo?

is beckenbauer, the most infuential person in bayern?

bayern fan out there?

in ranking, could jupp heynckes in top 5?

to real madrid fan, did c.ronaldo deserve to be in top 5 most influential person behind real's success?

Just be patient, people will post, no need to keep asking questions.

Kick wrote:Just be patient, people will post, no need to keep asking questions.

sorry for that

i'm too excited

sorry again