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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:41 pm

i was looking for a thread to talk about the evolution of bayern munich, i think we are going to see something very interesting next season with GUardiola playing 343, as he did vs dortmund in cup final.

When Guardiola signed Cesc to Barcelona, it was because he wanted to play that formation, they did for a while, and they wrecked teams on the way. Sadly, barca's defenders had turned mediocre and they couldnt last playing that way.

Now with Bayern, pre season is starting and that's how they are setting up in 343 already. Rode and bernat are playing the widest role in the 343 and alaba is in defense.

If they do play that way next season, we could see

Neuer
Boateng-Javi-Dante
Lham-piggy-thiago-alaba
robben-Robert-Gotze

it makes sense with signing of Bernat who is really a wing back, and the rumours of bayern wanting Cuadrado as he can play that right wing back role.

Very interesting formation i think.


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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:43 pm

The mere notion of Ribery being dropped any time soon lulz.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:47 pm

Laughing i had him on, but Gotze aka new iniesta aka world cup winner had to be in there Laughing.

there will be enough time for everyone to play anyway.
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:49 pm

Bayer AG taking over CropScience and now Munich too. Proud
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Post by S Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:51 pm

Arquitescu wrote:Bayer AG taking over CropScience and now Munich too. Proud


You logged in just to post this joke ? Proud


Spoiler:
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:53 pm

S wrote:
Arquitescu wrote:Bayer AG taking over CropScience and now Munich too. Proud


You logged in just to post this joke ? Proud


Spoiler:


Dammit, now I'll have to post something irrelevant somewhere else to dispel your notion.

It was worth it though Proud
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:53 pm

please arq update our gk thread and tell me how good navas is
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Post by Valkyrja Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:54 pm

no place for main man muller ?
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:55 pm

Arquitescu wrote:
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Arquitescu wrote:Bayer AG taking over CropScience and now Munich too. Proud


You logged in just to post this joke ? Proud


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Dammit, now I'll have to post something irrelevant somewhere else to dispel your notion.

It was worth it though Proud


I thought it was a joke that had to be made Proud
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:57 pm

you can have a second team

stark
buyten-jobber-badstuber
rafinha--hoijobber-rode-bernat
muller-pizarro-ribery
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:57 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:please arq update our gk thread and tell me how good navas is


That Goalkeeper thread which started off as just a comparison of styles but ended up as everything about goalkeeping under the sun?

Truth is I haven't seen enough of Navas but will watch some individual highlights too at least measure something outside his style.

Sorry for going off topic, will post thoughts on this thread later. Looks promising.
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:00 pm

Bayern are done, unless they get rid of the cancer Guardiola.

Dropping the 4-2-3-1 of Heynckes makes zero sense when you have the world's best wingers and fullbkacks, as well as a capable #9, yet that insane Philosopher-King-Turned-Circus-Freak brings in more of his mediocre countrymen, with Martinez being the only one of the lot to actually be able to contribute something to the proper continental game.

Bayern should rediscover physical play, groom a replacement for Schweinsteiger and Lahm over the next years, and stop signing midgets and wusses, they were at their best when being ridiculously fouled didn't make them fall over, but angry.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:02 pm

What about Thiago, top talent as well. Bernat is a support player, not sure he has an equivalent in germany
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:04 pm

http://www.goallegacy.net/t35721p18-transfers-special-which-players-should-bayern-munich-buy-and-sell-in-the-summer#1211806
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.............Neuer...........................
..Boateng....Martinez...Badstuber..
.Rode/Höjbjerg....Kroos....Thiago....Alaba
........Müller..........Götze............
..........Lewandowski......

close enough
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:06 pm

let's just wait and see how 'done' we are, shall we viva
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Post by S Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:08 pm

Arquitescu wrote:
S wrote:
Arquitescu wrote:Bayer AG taking over CropScience and now Munich too. Proud


You logged in just to post this joke ? Proud


Spoiler:


Dammit, now I'll have to post something irrelevant somewhere else to dispel your notion.

It was worth it though Proud


You can start off by posting your thoughts on Juve's appointment of Allegri.
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Post by McAgger Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:10 pm

One of Robben, Ribery, Gotze, Muller is gonna want to leave. No way any of them accepts a permanent bench role specially since Lewa is a certified starter and it only leaves two other slots open in attack.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:17 pm

Robben and Ribery are not getting any younger.

One of Schweinsteiger and Thiago is bound to be injured at any given moment.

And why would Lewandowski be more of a certified starter than the rest of them?
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:20 pm

[quote="Hapless_Hans"]let's just wait and see how 'done' we are, shall we viva[/quote]


You have the best squad in the world, but your coach is convinced that he shouldn't play to their strenghts, but rather made up some lofty philosophy, and is trying to force your players into that corset. It will not work.

Last season, the more satisfied Pep seemed tactically, the worse you guys played.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:24 pm

Lewandowski will be a certificied starter because of?
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Post by The Franchise Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:27 pm

I dont think its the same 343 as Barca, either of Pep as coach or player.

That was a 343 with a diamond midfield, whereas you have a flat midfield. Though with Alaba and Lahm it could easily morph into it.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:30 pm

Well sure, it's not exactly the same, but maybe he is flattening the midfield to correct something that went wrong last time, like cesc forgetting he has to defend. You would think in that setup Thiago has the freedom to push forward at will.
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Post by The Franchise Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:33 pm

Well yeah, different players, different set up. Bayern's midfield is alot better suited to it than ours was.

I think the key to the system is the two side players of the diamond/flat 4. They have to have the energy and ability to defend the flank, shuttle across to the middle and get forward to support.

Xavi and Iniesta were not those.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:35 pm

exactly, Bernat alaba, Lham, Rafinha are excellent choices for that. If they sign Cuadrado, it will start to become really scary.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:46 pm

If the cup final is anything to go by, Lahm will play CM though, Rafinha/Rode/Höjbjerg as right wing back
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