Re: The Official WWE Thread - Part 19

[Tomwin Lannister]

I am a Rollins fan, even if wwe are scared to make main event heels (Apart from Brock) look strong at PPVs

They couldn't even give Rollins a mini-win within the match, they had to make Cena beat him on 19 seperate occasions without the reff

[RealGunner]

They can't make him look strong because he is a cowardly heel. Most of his wins requires Kane/Big Show/JnJ and recently Lesnar to interfere.

[Tomwin Lannister]

Coward heels in the main event should still be dangerous, if he can't get the job done with 90 people behind him there's no reason to watch him in 1v1 situations and expect anything. And that means he'd never be the champ for long,

[Freeza]

Randy Orton was still dangerous as a coward heel in the noughties, don't know why they wouldn't make their Main Event heels look as strong

[M99]

Btw I am beginning to appreciate J&J security a lot. They are basically the new Gerald Brisco and Pat Patterson and have the right blend of comedy and actual fighting skills. The way they were celebrating when Rollins won Like he won the Superbowl

[M99]

Reigns is lucky there's females in the crowd, otherwise he wouldn't even be over.

He's going to get booed at a smark city. It's obvious imo.

Yeah because smark cities are all male gay colonies.

[M99]

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[RealGunner]

Is he wearing steel breastplates or some armour from Skyrim

[M99]

bah gawd

[silver]

Honestly, Jeff Hardy was the second most over superstar in the last 10 years after Cena. If Jeff Hardy can reach those heights, there's no reason why Rollins can't. Rollins has a much better total package than Hardy. He's better on the mic, he's a much better wrestler and he can still get over from his high flying moves. I would say he's the best wrestler in WWE right now. Even better than (WWE version) Daniel Bryan.

He can hold his own in one on one matches and make others look good, something Roman Reigns can still not do. It doesn't matter how good you are on the mic, how much "charisma" you have, or how over you are, if you can't get people emotionally invested in your match, you won't last long. Reign's "huge, career altering" win against Orton was average.

I also find Wyatt completely overrated and one dimensional. His gimmick restricts him to working with only a select few. His feuds with Jericho and Cena made no sense. His current feud with Ambrose barely makes any sense.

My rankings of the "next generation" would be:

Ambrose (because of his mic skills)
Rollins
Ziggler
Barrett (great mic skills, main event physique, needs to work on wrestling skills)
Reigns
Harper
Wyatt.

Ryback, Cesaro have no chance.

[Onyx]

Firstly, anyone in Rollins' spot would get a decent amount of heat. He broke up one of the biggest factions in history and sided with the authority. I'll admit he does everything a generic cowardly should be doing and because there's nothing special about him, I guess it makes it harder to cheer for him. But the problem is if you don't actually have a gimmick, you need mic skills, especially as a heel. Rollins just doesn't have the required mic skills for the main event scene. Edge was a generic cowardly heel, but he actually had the necessary mic skills. How many generic heels without mic skills have succeeded since Edge?

Rollins is lucky he has the 'broke up the shield' card, because it gets him heat by default.

Benoit was a wrestling machine, Hardy was the charismatic enigma, Punk was Mr Pipebomb and Bryan had a comedic gimmick with Kane, an energetic in ring style and the Yes chant. Rollins has nothing. There's just nothing unique about him. He's not really carried anything in the past few months. He's been in the top position by default because Bryan's injured and Lesnar fails to show up. Rollins was only ever pushed because the WWE knew if they didn't push him, then he'd flop. He was the weakest member of the shield, at least that's what WWE showed us in the time that they were together. Which is why they put him in the limelight after the shield broke up.

[Onyx]

Secondly, Cena does have charisma. If he didn't, he wouldn't be in the spot he is today. He had a decent look when he was first pushed, mic skills, a gimmick and he was over. He has a good enough moveset too.

Only reason people think he doesn't is because faces usually get dominated throughout the match and then hit their signature moves. Cena, being the face was obviously in the limelight more than others, which is why it seemed as if he only had 5 moves. Not everyone has to be a technical wrestler that knows 100 variations of a headlock.

[M99]

Firstly, anyone in Rollins' spot would get a decent amount of heat. He broke up one of the biggest factions in history and sided with the authority. I'll admit he does everything a generic cowardly should be doing and because there's nothing special about him, I guess it makes it harder to cheer for him. But the problem is if you don't actually have a gimmick, you need mic skills, especially as a heel. Rollins just doesn't have the required mic skills for the main event scene. Edge was a generic cowardly heel, but he actually had the necessary mic skills. How many generic heels without mic skills have succeeded since Edge?

Rollins is lucky he has the 'broke up the shield' card, because it gets him heat by default.

Benoit was a wrestling machine, Hardy was the charismatic enigma, Punk was Mr Pipebomb and Bryan had a comedic gimmick with Kane, an energetic in ring style and the Yes chant. Rollins has nothing. There's just nothing unique about him. He's not really carried anything in the past few months. He's been in the top position by default because Bryan's injured and Lesnar fails to show up. Rollins was only ever pushed because the WWE knew if they didn't push him, then he'd flop. He was the weakest member of the shield, at least that's what WWE showed us in the time that they were together. Which is why they put him in the limelight after the shield broke up.

As I said mic skills are not the be all end all of being a main eventer, even for heels. You say Rollins does not have the required mic skills but neither did Bryan and he became a main eventer. Benoit was a wrestling machine, thank you for proving my point. Benoit was an amazing wrestler but had poor mic skills just like Rollins (before anyone jumps at me I am not saying Rollins is better than Benoit). Jeff Hardy was the Charismatic Enigma, what does that even mean Charismatic Enigma was his nickname. His gimmick was a guy whose dream is to be WWE champion and has been trying for years. That's it. Was average on the mic but was still outselling Cena on merchandise. Punk was Mr Pipebomb, I said ECW CM Punk who was a generic face. His gimmick was that he was straightedge which had no relation with wrestling. His gimmick was limited by WWE so he was not Mr Pipebomb, he would just cut face promos. Still got super over and laid the seeds of him being one of the company's biggest stars. Bryan has an energetic in ring style, lol Rollins's in ring style is what got him over in The Shield in the first place.

God it's been months since he broke up The Shield, he has done a great job in maintaining and even elevating that heat through his actions. He has carried it as the top heel, the show lacked starpower with Bryan, Lesnar and later Orton out and Rollins stepped up. He main evented with Ambrose over Cena and Orton because fans were invested on that feud and that was equally thanks to him as it was to Ambrose.

Rollins was the worst member of The Shield Pls go. By far the best wrestler and got super over individually when they all turned face through his actions alone. All three of The Shield were as good as each other.

[Onyx]

Bryan didn't have amazing mic skills, he got over because of his character work in team heel no, his high energy in ring style, the underdog trait and the Yes chant. Plus it's not as if Bryan totally sucked at cutting promos. He can cut a good promo and he's certainly better at it and more convincing than Rollins is.

I actually disliked Bryan before he turned heel, simply because he was a bland generic face who was only good at wrestling. People were always saying how talented he was, but I just thought he was totally bland. But we all know the IWC only liked Bryan because he was an indy wrestler who had wrestling skills. That's who the IWC always routes for. Bland indy guys with wrestling skills such as Cesaro, Rollins, Bryan etc. It was when Bryan turned heel, showed some personality and became more of an underdog I started to route for him. Rollins is basically the heel version of what Bryan was before he turned heel.

I agree mic skills aren't the be all and end all of being a main eventer, but if you don't have mic skills, there has to be something special about you. Like Lesnar's a total beast, Ryback's a beast, Bryan what I explained above etc. Rollins doesn't have a gimmick or anything. He's just a cowardly heel with average mic skills. Personally, I thought Reigns was the weakest member of the shield. It's just the WWE portrayed Rollins as the weakest member. Ambrose was always in the middle, doing the talking etc. Then Reigns got his moments and was in the middle.

Also I don't understand why people compare Hardy to Rollins. The only thing they have common is that they both have long hair. They're totally different. Hardy painted his face, was charismatic, had upbeat music and was an energetic spot monkey. Rollins isn't and doesn't do any of that. Being a spot monkey is an easy way to wow the crowd. Hardy jumped from 100000 feet in the air every week, pulled off extreme stunts and jumped around the ring, whereas Rollins is more of a wrestler.

CM Punk truly got over when he cut the pipebomb promo.

The bottom line is a bland guy with just wrestling skills shouldn't be main eventing. Main eventers need to be larger than life and have something special about them.

[Jay29]

Rollins should be main-eventing on the basis that he's getting a strong reaction out of the crowd every week, which is a lot more than what other talents are doing right now. Regardless of what sort of skills they have or how they got over in the first place, having that connection with the crowd is the main thing.

His position could yet be elevated since he's still got the brief. A timely cash in on a major face would draw even more heat. Just imagine the sort of heat he could get if he, for example, cahses in on Reigns after he wins the title at Wrestlemania.

[Onyx]

The reaction isn't all that strong imo. It's not as if he's getting booed out of the building like Cena does occasionally. It's just basic heel heat, something the Miz or any other heel has got in the past and would get now if they were in Rollins' position. I can't see Rollins being a long term heel either. Eventually he's going to get cheered by smarks for going up against Cena and Reigns, with the latter eventually getting booed for being a superman face, just like the former.

The only one currently out of the Shield who's good enough to main event is Ambrose.

[Onyx]

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Reigns needs to bulk up a bit more, turn heel and go for a caveman/Khal drogo gimmick imo. An intimidating silent badass who has a bunch of followers and is evil sorta thing.

[M99]

Sigh..you just keep going on and on about how Rollins has no gimmick but he does currently have a gimmick and he is not boring since he gets reactions on a daily basis. When Rollins was a face, he was very comparable to Jeff Hardy. Rollins being bland is not true at all. If he was bland he would not be where he is now. But you seem to be fixed on that so there's no point arguing with you.

Rolling Stone names Dolph Ziggler the Wrestler of the Year

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/wwe-wrestler-of-the-year-dolph-ziggler-20141217

[RealGunner]

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/545298299494731776

lmfao

[Onyx]

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/545298299494731776

lmfao

There goes Lesnar's final appearance of the year.

[Onyx]

Looks like WWE are finally seeing the light.

http://www.wrestlingrumors.net/updat...ion-wwe/32807/


The latest edition of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter has provided an update on Roman Reigns’ position in WWE. As previously reported, Reigns has been primed to win the 28th annual Royal Rumble match in January and go on to defeat Brock Lesnar for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania 31. The new report claims that although some backstage don’t believe Reigns is ready for such a push, the position is Reigns’ to lose.

Dave Meltzer discusses the reasons why some have doubts about Reigns, as well as the positives of having him in the top babyface position heading onto the “Road to WrestleMania.” He writes,

“Reigns was originally set to win the Rumble and headline WrestleMania. There is a lot of skepticism in the industry whether Reigns is ready for that push. Thus far, the crowd is positive toward him, but he did just return. They aren’t blowing the roof off the joint for him. But there absolutely is an issue with him.

As far as a guy delivering modern scripted promos, he’s not that guy. He does have a good look and has a few moves that are over, making him a great babyface power hitter in a tag team. He’s good enough that he can have a good match with the right opponent, but he’s not great on his own in a 20:00 singles match. Then again, they do need to make a new babyface superstar.

Randy Orton isn’t new. Daniel Bryan, no matter how the crowd reacts, is not their type and right now, there are still questions regarding his recovery from his neck and elbow problems. So it’s Reigns and Dean Ambrose. Ambrose is the better promo and the better worker, but he fits less into the mold of what they want the company’s top babyface star to be.

Both sell merchandise but (even with Ambrose’s hoodie being No. 1 two weeks ago) neither is doing numbers there to signal being made the top guy. Both have been hit-and-miss with crowd reactions in recent weeks. But it’s Reigns’ spot to lose. And right now, he still has that spot.”

[Casciavit]

Ambrose vs Lesnar

The lunatic vs the beast...

I can get behind that.

[Tomwin Lannister]

No shit Ambrose who gets 5 minutes of RAW time every Week and Reigns who's been injured for 400 years and has no attire that's gonna sell well (I.E some rehashed Bane tactical vest) aren't selling more than Cena who's a walking advertisement with multi coloured tops, slogans, wrist bands, head bands, neck bands, ankle bands *bleep* finger bands hair bands NEVER GIVE UP BANDS etc

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

RISE ABOVE TOM.

[M99]

If Ambrose was book half as strong as Reigns was he would be more over than him. He has 0 PPV wins since splitting from The Shield

[RealGunner]

IMO Cena should win the RR after beating Lesnar for the title. Thave have a King of the Ring tournament with Cena vs the raw roster at WM31. Once in a lifetime event.

Won't mind that.

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