The 2014/15 Calcio Saga II

For a second there i thought you meant jonjo lol

BarrileteCosmico wrote:http://www.football-italia.net/63753/report-jovetic-agrees-inter-move

Jojo to Inter

Mancini, how does he convince so many people to go to a midtable Serie A team?

Probably something like "you can sit on the bench and be the next Claudio Pizarro or you can play every game and do something important."

2 penalty point to Parma
I can't wait for #55  page I  need of write that Manenti quote on intro

BarrileteCosmico wrote:http://www.football-italia.net/63753/report-jovetic-agrees-inter-move

Jojo to Inter

Mancini, how does he convince so many people to go to a midtable Serie A team?

Because we are always Inter
Inter or Milan will have always more  fascination than Fiorentina,Lazio etc also because they will be back

Anyway , it 's definitely the thing he can do better (you can't even hope with Mazzarri) , he ery football knowledge very good and he can persuading big players . This more than coaching.

Well for Shaqiri its a perfect deal, we're rich enough to pay him, crappy enough to play him, and poor enough to sell him if a top team comes knocking. Im thinking jovetic is thinking along the same lines.

Looks like Inter is going to stake a claim for top 3 next season

We were supposed to do that after january but we all know how that turned out to be. Our team is far from being on the same level as Napoli or Fiorentina, and a couple of good signings will not do the trick.

Yesterday while watching a game while it was still 1 - 1 it hit me, our bench is shit, we needed another DM to help cover the flanks but we only had Kuzmanovic, we needed a CB to play the ball from the back but that was only Vidic, we needed an AM with skill and speed to counter but we got was Kovacic. That's the bench we're talking about, the first team is a whole different story.

First of we need a new CB who can play the ball forward (not back pass it to a clueless keeper) and reliable another CB who can do what Ranocchia is supposed to be doing. We need a DM who can pass, not just defend, a CM like Guarin but one who doesnt lose the ball as often, a replacement to Palacio who can score a 1 on 1, and a forward who can create width while being able to shoot and cross (who isnt podolski)

So as you can see we're talking about 5 expensive players here and im not sure we're in the position to do that in one Mercato

meh , we had just kuzmanovic on bench yesterday because brozovic is not available for europa league.
we aren't so distant from fiorentina on paper , they play often with ilicic as CF lol and I don't know how many can saying to have kovacic and hernanes as benchers.
But fiorentina has a tested , cemented gamestyle, they have same manager since 2012 ans so they built a structure.
the 2 milano clubs not ,and it happens when you don't get consistency with same manager . the different pressure cause this too, because if fiorentina ties with genoa noone cares , if 2 milano clubs do it ... there are whimpers

anyway basically our real problem is that we bottle it always because of our defence . i think our most number of goals conceded were for this . We love so much our opponent teams . and it is frustrating to get never a clean sheet .  mancini will have to resolve this,firstly.
well if you play with carrizo you can't complain...

Jovetic would be a massive signing even if he is injury prone , because Palacio is finished and infact he looks like scrub after wC
have you won the incredible gol missed against wolfsburg on 1-1 ? ffs .

What do Roma fans think  about De Rossi ?

Basically yesterday Nainggolan said  implicitly they play better without him ( yes I thnk it was referred to DDR ) .
and yes , Roma turned better after his injury yesterday

Zizzle you need to give Mancini time to do his thing. You can't judge a manager without a preseason.

As for DDR he has been subpar since the 2012 Euro, and personally I feel that is being generous to him...

yes infact I was patient about Mancini also after losses in league , I don't like this mentality tipically Italian to search the scapegoat always on manager, I was patient for a year also with Mazzarri, a manager must have a year of time at least , and I saw also important progresses under him , it was impossible to recuperate a result under Mazzarri , at least this Inter fights till 90' and it can get from 2-0 to 2-2 even at that hell called San Paolo
the only thing I can't tolerate is Carrizo as starter in your most important match season.

Yes , Euro 2012.
You said everything with it.
Euro 2012. Italy.

He is another player when he plays in Italy than Roma.

I haven't seen anymore that De Rossi 2005-2010  , in his prime he was a GOAT player
probably, as Romanista, he suffers more than other players this thing to not win the Scudetto also this year.

Well im not saying that Mancini is a problem, in the contrary, he's a silution despite getting a few things wrong last night. He needs time and players and i wont judge him before that.

But that doesnt change the fact that our team is horrible, our CBs have been giving away games since forever and up front we only have Shaqiri and Icardi as reliable threats. Other than that we dont have much going on for us. Brozovic is good but he's not a difference maker yet, Guarin is hot and cold so you cant really count on him. Kovacic is talented and all but right now he isnt a starter for a reason, and our bench warmer Hernanes has only been good recently. As it stands this is not a team worthy of our name, sure we have a good base but lets not act like next year will be the next year we've been waitung for.

Now lets be a bit optimistic here, maybe Murilla(?) turns out to be good, maybe we sign Jovetic and he hits the ground running, and maybe, just maybe we get Yaya and a wide player. Only then ill start dreaming but now ill keep my legs in the ground

Honestly, you can't win every game and the start Inter had at the start of the season killed them. I still rate them as a huge chance to make the top 3 in Italy next season because of the Mancini factor. Kovacic, Shaqiri,Brozovic,Icardi all very good young players. In the event Inter sell Icardi there is 30-40 million so you have the jovetic,toure money right there and you could even buy another striker with money left over from another player sale. In terms of the " list " given you guys have another good window and you don't sell to many star players I would rate you on the same level as Roma and Napoli in terms of competing for top 3 spots. As much as i despise Inter and especially after the whole 2006 scandal which has left me bitter and resentful to the club it is good for Serie A to have a strong Inter. You have the fans, the history, the players, the stadium, the coach all the resources are there

El Shaarawy wrote:Looks like Inter is going to stake a claim for top 3 next season

Getting the jinx in early

Season 2007/08.

Bundesliga 13.500 vs Serie A 10.250

Season 2008/09

Bundesliga 12.687 vs Serie A 11.375

Season 2009/10

Bundesliga 18.083 vs Serie A 15.428

Season 2010/11

Bundesliga 15.666 vs Serie A 11.571

Season 2011/12

Bundesliga 15.250 vs Serie A 11.357

Season 2012/13

Bundesliga 17.927 vs Serie A 14.416

Season 2013/14 (last season)

Bundesliga 14.714 vs Serie A 14.166

This Season so far (Not finished)

Bundesliga 14.571 vs Serie A 14.500

Improving

Yeah, but this week's EL wasn't that good for Italians, while Wolfsburg will probably progress and at the same time Bayern is going for the CL.

Looks like only Napoli and Fio/Roma will go on (I seriously hope it will be Fiorentina because Roma would surely bottle it right in the next match).

We needed of Chelsea-PSG to remind us of Verratti

The only Italian top player now

Well, arguably Thiago Motta is Italian, but, well.. you know.

DeviAngel wrote:

Spoiler:

Improving

You're comparing yourself to the wrong league. It's England that Italy could overtake, not Germany.

Consider what the UEFA coefficient looks like for only the past 4 years:

https://i.imgur.com/VmJzrvT.png

Also take into account that for the current season Italy will probably have 3 teams that make it to the next phase (Napoli, Juve and Fiorentina/Roma) whereas England only have Everton. It's especially important for Serie A that Juve go far because since 2009 the CL gets "bonus" points that the EL doesn't.

As of right now, the gap between the PL and Calcio is of 7.3 points. Let's assume that Everton don't win the EL whereas the Italian teams all go to the next round. That would put the gap closer to 6, much more manageable. If the Italian teams have a great campaign next year and the English teams have a terrible one next year, the PL could lose its spot.

It's unlikely to happen though, first because I believe that English teams flopping in Europe is temporary and second because the only good team in Italy is Juve (would any of Roma, Lazio and Napoli go far? I have my doubts). But if Italy were to take over the 3rd place, it would be stealing it from England and not Germany.

However, consider this: 2011/12 was Italy's worst year listed, with a mere 11 points. England has 15. So on 2016/17 a 4 point gap will be closed automatically. What this means is that if Italy outperforms England by 3 coefficient points over the next 2 years then it can get that spot back.

Nice insightful post BC

Like you, i don't think English teams are really going downhill, it may just be an 'anomaly' this season.

Must-win game for Juventus tonight if they plan to conquer the title!

I do have a question for Inter fans (Robe, Vibe, Zizzle, etc) or anybody who wants to answer. Do you guys honestly think that Hernanes and Kovacic can play together? Dont you think he was a waste of 20mil? People say he has lost form but I believe its the fact that they cant play at the same time. Also. Why spend 20mil on a bench warmer if they already had Alvarez, another good but bench warming player?

well we are compaing something not considering the change of coach
Mazzarri loved Hernanes,  he was starter under Mazzarri and he played with Kovacic in that 3-5-2 , but now Mazzarri was sacked and there is Mancini and Mancini doesn't like him.
It was a choice of mercato with another manager and new manager rejected entirely that mercato made by his predecessor ... Hernanes, Vidic, M'Vila , Osvaldo etc all outcasted , just Medel resists

AC Milan wants Sarr for next year in place of Inzaghi.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

Spoiler:

Improving

You're comparing yourself to the wrong league. It's England that Italy could overtake, not Germany.

Consider what the UEFA coefficient looks like for only the past 4 years:

https://i.imgur.com/VmJzrvT.png

Also take into account that for the current season Italy will probably have 3 teams that make it to the next phase (Napoli, Juve and Fiorentina/Roma) whereas England only have Everton. It's especially important for Serie A that Juve go far because since 2009 the CL gets "bonus" points that the EL doesn't.

As of right now, the gap between the PL and Calcio is of 7.3 points. Let's assume that Everton don't win the EL whereas the Italian teams all go to the next round. That would put the gap closer to 6, much more manageable. If the Italian teams have a great campaign next year and the English teams have a terrible one next year, the PL could lose its spot.

It's unlikely to happen though, first because I believe that English teams flopping in Europe is temporary and second because the only good team in Italy is Juve (would any of Roma, Lazio and Napoli go far? I have my doubts). But if Italy were to take over the 3rd place, it would be stealing it from England and not Germany.

However, consider this: 2011/12 was Italy's worst year listed, with a mere 11 points. England has 15. So on 2016/17 a 4 point gap will be closed automatically. What this means is that if Italy outperforms England by 3 coefficient points over the next 2 years then it can get that spot back.

Nice , I just spotted that info on a Macedonian League vs League thread and the title of the debate was 'Bundesliga vs Serie A'

Robespierre wrote:What do Roma fans think  about De Rossi ?

Basically yesterday Nainggolan said  implicitly they play better without him ( yes I thnk it was referred to DDR ) .
and yes , Roma turned better after his injury yesterday

It's hard to reconcile De Rossi's form with what he means to the club, but when the facts are laid bare about him.....I struggle to remember the last time he truly maintained top form and drove this side forward. I think what we're seeing is probably the true beginning of De Rossi's rather inevitable decline. There had been hints of it since as early as the 2010 World Cup, but I think the last couple of seasons have sadly confirmed it. He's just not the player he once was anymore and unlike Totti, it doesn't appear like he drunk from the same fountain of youth.

I think DDR stayed out of duty to this club and because he would not have been able to live down leaving he club after the season we had in 2012-2013. Roma, depsite its most recent form, is in far better shape than it was back then and I think DDR knows this and he knows he's no longer the influential, talismanic presence in midfield that he used to be. It's with this understanding that it would not at all surprise me to see him finally say his goodbyes and make that move to MLS, something he has openly expressed interest and intent on doing. It will a sad day for Romanisti no doubt.