Juventus VS Hellas Verona 1.0

Cotes wrote:

salmano9 wrote:Lol, no comments on seba? lol... he isn't doing a lot besides his goa. Pepe is back.

What a shitty team this Hellas is in the coppa...

That's messed up to say...
The man is playing a great game
He is tracking back and tackling...
He is making some good passes as well...linking up with Pogba real well on the left hand side

Lol he is average just look at his shots... They are weither weak, or waaay of target. Even Nico Lopez (who I admire) is shooting better.

penalty!!!
hattrick time for Gio
please give him!

Ok....good penalty Morata!!!

Welcome The King!!!!
good showing from Gio!

Good dive from Giovinco. It isn't nice to see Morata unhappy. It is probably cuz he didn't play well.

Oh God.. and we are not playing this kid.

Are you kidding me? What a goal Coman. What a start of many goals!!!!!

COOOOOOOOOOMAN!!!!

wE SHOULD GET ONE MORE....HOPEFULLY mORATA GETS IT...
i DON'T think he's satisfies with a penalty

Am I the only one that notices that anytime Storari keeps...we never get a clean sheet??

YES COMANN! What a goal.

Welcome Matt!!!

Poor match morata

One thing that worries me is that Morata looked below average today.

Other than that, fast, pacey, great play by us.

why we don't play Giovinco at AM just doesn't make sense, the guy is far far FAR better than Pereyra, he deserves to be starting and his pace and creativity is a weapon for us, his sub should be King Coman the barbarian ( )

elm_baraja_shaman wrote:why we don't play Giovinco at AM just doesn't make sense, the guy is far far FAR better than Pereyra, he deserves to be starting and his pace and creativity is a weapon for us, his sub should be King Coman the barbarian ( )

Giovinco is average, accept it bro.

Giovinco is only good as LWF nothing more.

Pereyra was excellent today.

salmano9 wrote:

elm_baraja_shaman wrote:why we don't play Giovinco at AM just doesn't make sense, the guy is far far FAR better than Pereyra, he deserves to be starting and his pace and creativity is a weapon for us, his sub should be King Coman the barbarian ( )

Giovinco is average, accept it bro.

as "average" as Gio is according to you, he is capable of doing more than Pereyra has and will ever do for the rest of the season,

we should deploy the 4-3-3 more often and widen our attack, and release Gio/Coman

eff Pereyra we've seen what he is capable of (no hating here) and it is just average and inconsistency,

give Gio and Coman a chance, bench llorente and Pereyra (give back to Udinese with 6 sacks corn and 1m)

Allegri: "4-3-3? This system we might use in our other games."

Ahhhhh.... Lol, we will always disagree elm.

DeviAngel wrote:Allegri: "4-3-3? This system we might use in our other games."

Sad really, how we play with a formation we never ever use, with a 5 year old kid and a half-dead 30 year old and look more fluid than we ever did in a 3-5-2 or even a 4-3-1-2 (We have no CAM)

Before anybody says it's a one off against a shit team let's remember our best football from 2011 onwards came under Conte with a 4-3-3, we drew a lot but that's because our front line had the finishing prowess of a mid table Russian league club.

Width is key in modern day football, both on the offensive and defensive. Something anybody who knows anything about football could have worked out watching all of the big teams, and something our coach(es) should have realised after the Bayern fiasco where they practically told us we were one dimensional and shut us down to the point we couldn't get in to their half.

Sadly, Italy seems to be against pace, direct play and wingers. They beat that out of young players games from the ground up, in favour of dat dere tactical awareness and grit.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:Allegri: "4-3-3? This system we might use in our other games."

Sad really, how we play with a formation we never ever use, with a 5 year old kid and a half-dead 30 year old and look more fluid than we ever did in a 3-5-2 or even a 4-3-1-2 (We have no CAM)

Before anybody says it's a one off against a shit team let's remember our best football from 2011 onwards came under Conte with a 4-3-3, we drew a lot but that's because our front line had the finishing prowess of a mid table Russian league club.

Width is key in modern day football, both on the offensive and defensive. Something anybody who knows anything about football could have worked out watching all of the big teams, and something our coach(es) should have realised after the Bayern fiasco where they practically told us we were one dimensional and shut us down to the point we couldn't get in to their half.

Sadly, Italy seems to be against pace, direct play and wingers. They beat that out of young players games from the ground up, in favour of dat dere tactical awareness and grit.

Why is it sad?! At least we are trying to test new formations and improve the squad.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:Allegri: "4-3-3? This system we might use in our other games."

Sad really, how we play with a formation we never ever use, with a 5 year old kid and a half-dead 30 year old and look more fluid than we ever did in a 3-5-2 or even a 4-3-1-2 (We have no CAM)

Before anybody says it's a one off against a shit team let's remember our best football from 2011 onwards came under Conte with a 4-3-3, we drew a lot but that's because our front line had the finishing prowess of a mid table Russian league club.

Width is key in modern day football, both on the offensive and defensive. Something anybody who knows anything about football could have worked out watching all of the big teams, and something our coach(es) should have realised after the Bayern fiasco where they practically told us we were one dimensional and shut us down to the point we couldn't get in to their half.

Sadly, Italy seems to be against pace, direct play and wingers. They beat that out of young players games from the ground up, in favour of dat dere tactical awareness and grit.

sadly the coaches that favor those systems end up sacked or they only coach teams like Sassuolo, Empoli, Cesena.

Well, that 4-3-3 was working well because you had Pirlo being the main creator for Juve spreading countless throughballs behind the defense and needed runners like Pepe, Vucinic from the flanks, Vidal and Marchisio from midfield, Lichtsteiner as well.
As soon as teams sorted that out man marking Pirlo and considering the lack of quality wingers, Conte went permanently for the 3-5-2 (he tried it a couple of times before) with Bonucci so that he could have another playmaker from deep who could sometimes send a through ball and he stick with it for the rest of the season and the 12/13 season as Juve dominated in Serie A with it and like you said, the lack of quality wingers eased that.
I 100% agree that the cause of it is the eradication of wingers since youth teams and consequently in Serie A and NT. You could argue that one of the reason Italy flopped two consecutive WCs.

Conte clearly thought the attack needed to be addressed as he revolutionized it, but thought it was a matter of personnel and not system, so he sticked with the 3-5-2 albeit with much superior forwards than before as Tevez and FL14. Result? Dominating Serie A again and obtaining two failures in Europe.

Reports said he left because him and Marotta/Agnelli didn't agree on the transfer (Cuadrado, Iturbe). Revolutionating the attack and the system would've given you less certainties to dominate in Italy but more in Europe. I guess when Llo and Tevez leave (could be at the end of the season) you can start over with the 4-3-3.

Actually, no, can't see it happening either with Allegri. He says that you could play again with it but that's just words. What has he actually done in facts? Refused to sign one of the most promising young wingers in the world at a bargain price and what are his objectives for this January and the summer? Sneijder, Diamanti, Mkhi.

I've always thought I would start to feel old when I see a player of my age playing professional football. FFS, Coman is playing for Juve and has looked impressive every time he was deployed, while I, Katy Perry, have done nothing in my life get. I feel old and useless.

salmano9 wrote:

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:Allegri: "4-3-3? This system we might use in our other games."

Sad really, how we play with a formation we never ever use, with a 5 year old kid and a half-dead 30 year old and look more fluid than we ever did in a 3-5-2 or even a 4-3-1-2 (We have no CAM)

Before anybody says it's a one off against a shit team let's remember our best football from 2011 onwards came under Conte with a 4-3-3, we drew a lot but that's because our front line had the finishing prowess of a mid table Russian league club.

Width is key in modern day football, both on the offensive and defensive. Something anybody who knows anything about football could have worked out watching all of the big teams, and something our coach(es) should have realised after the Bayern fiasco where they practically told us we were one dimensional and shut us down to the point we couldn't get in to their half.

Sadly, Italy seems to be against pace, direct play and wingers. They beat that out of young players games from the ground up, in favour of dat dere tactical awareness and grit.

Why is it sad?! At least we are trying to test new formations and improve the squad.

Becuase it's taken us 3 years to even try it in a cup game, that's pathetic in a sport where you can be found out so quickly

DeviAngel wrote:

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:Allegri: "4-3-3? This system we might use in our other games."

Sad really, how we play with a formation we never ever use, with a 5 year old kid and a half-dead 30 year old and look more fluid than we ever did in a 3-5-2 or even a 4-3-1-2 (We have no CAM)

Before anybody says it's a one off against a shit team let's remember our best football from 2011 onwards came under Conte with a 4-3-3, we drew a lot but that's because our front line had the finishing prowess of a mid table Russian league club.

Width is key in modern day football, both on the offensive and defensive. Something anybody who knows anything about football could have worked out watching all of the big teams, and something our coach(es) should have realised after the Bayern fiasco where they practically told us we were one dimensional and shut us down to the point we couldn't get in to their half.

Sadly, Italy seems to be against pace, direct play and wingers. They beat that out of young players games from the ground up, in favour of dat dere tactical awareness and grit.

sadly the coaches that favor those systems end up sacked or they only coach teams like Sassuolo, Empoli, Cesena.

TBH, I really admire Eusebio Di Francesco of Saass...