Juventus VS Hellas Verona 1.0

DeviAngel wrote:

Tomwin Lannister wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:Allegri: "4-3-3? This system we might use in our other games."

Sad really, how we play with a formation we never ever use, with a 5 year old kid and a half-dead 30 year old and look more fluid than we ever did in a 3-5-2 or even a 4-3-1-2 (We have no CAM)

Before anybody says it's a one off against a shit team let's remember our best football from 2011 onwards came under Conte with a 4-3-3, we drew a lot but that's because our front line had the finishing prowess of a mid table Russian league club.

Width is key in modern day football, both on the offensive and defensive. Something anybody who knows anything about football could have worked out watching all of the big teams, and something our coach(es) should have realised after the Bayern fiasco where they practically told us we were one dimensional and shut us down to the point we couldn't get in to their half.

Sadly, Italy seems to be against pace, direct play and wingers. They beat that out of young players games from the ground up, in favour of dat dere tactical awareness and grit.

sadly the coaches that favor those systems end up sacked or they only coach teams like Sassuolo, Empoli, Cesena.

Katy Perry wrote:Well, that 4-3-3 was working well because you had Pirlo being the main creator for Juve spreading countless throughballs behind the defense and needed runners like Pepe, Vucinic from the flanks, Vidal and Marchisio from midfield, Lichtsteiner as well.
As soon as teams sorted that out man marking Pirlo and considering the lack of quality wingers, Conte went permanently for the 3-5-2 (he tried it a couple of times before) with Bonucci so that he could have another playmaker from deep who could sometimes send a through ball and he stick with it for the rest of the season and the 12/13 season as Juve dominated in Serie A with it and like you said, the lack of quality wingers eased that.
I 100% agree that the cause of it is the eradication of wingers since youth teams and consequently in Serie A and NT. You could argue that one of the reason Italy flopped two consecutive WCs.

Conte clearly thought the attack needed to be addressed as he revolutionized it, but thought it was a matter of personnel and not system, so he sticked with the 3-5-2 albeit with much superior forwards than before as Tevez and FL14. Result? Dominating Serie A again and obtaining two failures in Europe.

Reports said he left because him and Marotta/Agnelli didn't agree on the transfer (Cuadrado, Iturbe). Revolutionating the attack and the system would've given you less certainties to dominate in Italy but more in Europe. I guess when Llo and Tevez leave (could be at the end of the season) you can start over with the 4-3-3.

Actually, no, can't see it happening either with Allegri. He says that you could play again with it but that's just words. What has he actually done in facts? Refused to sign one of the most promising young wingers in the world at a bargain price and what are his objectives for this January and the summer? Sneijder, Diamanti, Mkhi.

I've always thought I would start to feel old when I see a player of my age playing professional football. FFS, Coman is playing for Juve and has looked impressive every time he was deployed, while I, Katy Perry, have done nothing in my life get. I feel old and useless.

Katy Perry wrote:Well, that 4-3-3 was working well because you had Pirlo being the main creator for Juve spreading countless throughballs behind the defense and needed runners like Pepe, Vucinic from the flanks, Vidal and Marchisio from midfield, Lichtsteiner as well.
As soon as teams sorted that out man marking Pirlo and considering the lack of quality wingers, Conte went permanently for the 3-5-2 (he tried it a couple of times before) with Bonucci so that he could have another playmaker from deep who could sometimes send a through ball and he stick with it for the rest of the season and the 12/13 season as Juve dominated in Serie A with it and like you said, the lack of quality wingers eased that.
I 100% agree that the cause of it is the eradication of wingers since youth teams and consequently in Serie A and NT. You could argue that one of the reason Italy flopped two consecutive WCs.

Conte clearly thought the attack needed to be addressed as he revolutionized it, but thought it was a matter of personnel and not system, so he sticked with the 3-5-2 albeit with much superior forwards than before as Tevez and FL14. Result? Dominating Serie A again and obtaining two failures in Europe.

Reports said he left because him and Marotta/Agnelli didn't agree on the transfer (Cuadrado, Iturbe). Revolutionating the attack and the system would've given you less certainties to dominate in Italy but more in Europe. I guess when Llo and Tevez leave (could be at the end of the season) you can start over with the 4-3-3.

Actually, no, can't see it happening either with Allegri. He says that you could play again with it but that's just words. What has he actually done in facts? Refused to sign one of the most promising young wingers in the world at a bargain price and what are his objectives for this January and the summer? Sneijder, Diamanti, Mkhi.

I've always thought I would start to feel old when I see a player of my age playing professional football. FFS, Coman is playing for Juve and has looked impressive every time he was deployed, while I, Katy Perry, have done nothing in my life get. I feel old and useless.

salmano9 wrote:

Katy Perry wrote:Well, that 4-3-3 was working well because you had Pirlo being the main creator for Juve spreading countless throughballs behind the defense and needed runners like Pepe, Vucinic from the flanks, Vidal and Marchisio from midfield, Lichtsteiner as well.
As soon as teams sorted that out man marking Pirlo and considering the lack of quality wingers, Conte went permanently for the 3-5-2 (he tried it a couple of times before) with Bonucci so that he could have another playmaker from deep who could sometimes send a through ball and he stick with it for the rest of the season and the 12/13 season as Juve dominated in Serie A with it and like you said, the lack of quality wingers eased that.
I 100% agree that the cause of it is the eradication of wingers since youth teams and consequently in Serie A and NT. You could argue that one of the reason Italy flopped two consecutive WCs.

Conte clearly thought the attack needed to be addressed as he revolutionized it, but thought it was a matter of personnel and not system, so he sticked with the 3-5-2 albeit with much superior forwards than before as Tevez and FL14. Result? Dominating Serie A again and obtaining two failures in Europe.

Reports said he left because him and Marotta/Agnelli didn't agree on the transfer (Cuadrado, Iturbe). Revolutionating the attack and the system would've given you less certainties to dominate in Italy but more in Europe. I guess when Llo and Tevez leave (could be at the end of the season) you can start over with the 4-3-3.

Actually, no, can't see it happening either with Allegri. He says that you could play again with it but that's just words. What has he actually done in facts? Refused to sign one of the most promising young wingers in the world at a bargain price and what are his objectives for this January and the summer? Sneijder, Diamanti, Mkhi.

I've always thought I would start to feel old when I see a player of my age playing professional football. FFS, Coman is playing for Juve and has looked impressive every time he was deployed, while I, Katy Perry, have done nothing in my life get. I feel old and useless.

Girl, you are rich and famous, what else do you want?