US Presidential Race

Sadly you're missing a huge voting bloc, that is:
4) People so desillusioned by the established candidates that they feel a vote for Trump is the only way to not feed into the "machine" of usual politics, where Hillary is just as much a part of the establishment as Jeb! or Rubio.

If racists and Muslims had a fight fennecs head would explode - scanners style - trying to decide who to support.

Or it wouldn't, because he'd temporarilly suspend his anti religion "prejudice" to bitch about evil whitey. A microcosm of the whole progressive movement as it stands.

Jesus Christ it's so pathetic.

And anyone to the left of centre playing the IQ game needs to stop it. It is repeatedly demonstrated in psychological studies that libertarians on average have the highest IQ of any political orientation, and on economic issues they are further to the right than anyone else. For Gods sake man

Yet on social issues and immigration, a proper Libertarian would be to the left of even progressive democrats, yet you never see a Libertarian say that, because they'd alienate their conservative supposed bretheren, or reveal that they, themselves, are just using Libertarianism as a mantle to hide the fact they just want to push their far-right economic agenda, and suddenly aren't so libertarian once it comes to any non-economic policy.

Prominent libertarians make those arguments, the problem is that there are no libertarian politicians. The closest you come to is Ron Paul who is by no means a libertarian in most issues. He opposes abortion, Gay marriage, open borders and open labor laws, for instance.

There is no true libertarian base in America, except in NH where the Free State Project might turn it into one in like a decade.

Vendetta like I said before this is not about the issues, it's about the brand of politics that Trump represents. Truly could be the most liberal guy in the world and I would still prefer Cruz because he didn't get to power on hate speech.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Vendetta like I said before this is not about the issues, it's about the brand of politics that Trump represents. Truly could be the most liberal guy in the world and I would still prefer Cruz because he didn't get to power on hate speech.

Agree 100%. I'm fairly liberal in most things myself, but even though Cruz is the most conservative, far right runner, with whom I largely disagree. I'd prefer him to Trump. Trump being in the running, let alone the favorite for the nomination, is a political disaster. It reflects political decadence. Its wild, unmeasured racism and populism swaying a big part of a nation.

Likes or doesn't like abortion, hates or loves homosexuals, etc. Doesn't matter for someone like him. The only reason he is as popular as he is, its because of his inflammatory speech and racist ideas built on an illusion of financial success. Thats people telling you that they would either sacrifice their views on race and immigration for economic progress, or that they straight up identify with his racism.

If you go for the idea that its all a made up media image and that he is malleable to whatever side. Then who are people voting for? A man with no real conviction but power itself. If he can be swayed to either side, then what is he bringing to the government? Nothing. That would make him a bussiness man without views or aptitudes for governing except his crave for power and recognition.

Such a successful run is embarrassment to everyone involved.

DuringTheWar wrote:If racists and Muslims had a fight fennecs head would explode - scanners style - trying to decide who to support.

Or it wouldn't, because he'd temporarilly suspend his anti religion "prejudice" to bitch about evil whitey. A microcosm of the whole progressive movement as it stands.

Jesus Christ it's so pathetic.

Instead of using ad-hominem arguments why don't you address my points and point out where I'm wrong?

Am I wrong for saying that Protestant Christians have ruined this country and contributed to hate, racism, and xenophobia for centuries? And yes, most are of European descent and reside in shitholes like Texas, South Carolina, and in the general South.

Also, whites aren't evil. My family for the most part looks white for example, I'm just very swarthy. White is a broad race simplification, something you wouldn't know of course. How can I be racist to myself

Also,  the IQ game is legit because anyone with half an education and brain would realize how stupid Trickle-Down and Conservative values are.

Oh yeah, I am anti-religion. I don't respect fairy tales and myths used to control people. So yeah, not sorry if I rustled your jimmies by calling out your boy Jesus and his Mythical book called the Bible. That's not racism. Look up the term racism. So therefore, my head wouldn't explode, but your brain might die due to lack of logic and reasoning.


But Muslim is usually a synonym for anyone who is from North Africa or the Middle East which is my fking point that you missed. It's a thinly veiled racist thing. You can't comprehend that can you?

DuringTheWar wrote:And anyone to the left of centre playing the IQ game needs to stop it. It is repeatedly demonstrated in psychological studies that libertarians on average have the highest IQ of any political orientation, and on economic issues they are further to the right than anyone else. For Gods sake man

True Libertarianism doesn't exist in US. If so, Rand Paul and Ron Paul would be advocating for far left responses to social issues, and they definitely do not. A real libertarian is much better then a conservative in my eyes

FennecFox7 wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:If racists and Muslims had a fight fennecs head would explode - scanners style - trying to decide who to support.

Or it wouldn't, because he'd temporarilly suspend his anti religion "prejudice" to bitch about evil whitey. A microcosm of the whole progressive movement as it stands.

Jesus Christ it's so pathetic.

Instead of using ad-hominem arguments why don't you address my points and point out where I'm wrong?

Not wrong. Inconsistent, and therefore redundant.

FennecFox7 wrote:
Am I wrong for saying that Protestant Christians have ruined this country and contributed to hate, racism, and xenophobia for centuries? And yes, most are of European descent and reside in shitholes like Texas, South Carolina, and in the general South.

You are singling out a group for ruining a nation, pretty similar to anti Semites claiming Jews ruin civilisation huh? But again, it's just the inconsistency that makes me laugh.

FennecFox7 wrote:
Also, whites aren't evil. My family for the most part looks white for example, I'm just very swarthy. White is a broad race simplification, something you wouldn't know of course. How can I be racist to myself

http://www.goallegacy.net/t37030p396-the-exercise-nutrition-thread-pt-iii#1529453


Yeah, and North Africans are look just like Europeans? No noticeable differences at all right
Nice try, but people with your profile are very very capable of racism against whites.

FennecFox7 wrote:
Also,  the IQ game is legit because anyone with half an education and brain would realize how stupid Trickle-Down and Conservative values are.

This statement has no substance or bearing on reality. People with excellent spacial reasoning, verbal fluency, or whatever you're measuring, are just as capable of having conservative values as they are of believing animals are equal to humans, that children can consent to sex, or whatever other bizarre beliefs exist in the deep depths of progressivism.

Fennecfox7 wrote:
Oh yeah, I am anti-religion. I don't respect fairy tales and myths used to control people. So yeah, not sorry if I rustled your jimmies by calling out your boy Jesus and his Mythical book called the Bible. That's not racism. Look up the term racism. So therefore, my head wouldn't explode, but your brain might die due to lack of logic and reasoning.


But Muslim is usually a synonym for anyone who is from North Africa or the Middle East which is my fking point that you missed. It's a thinly veiled racist thing. You can't comprehend that can you?

Yeah yeah I get it. You don't like religion but Muslims are cool because they're brown or North african. That was my criticism of you and now you're just repeating it.

And you are more like a conservative than a libertarian. True your views might match up with the typical libertarian in some areas, but the libertarian mode of thinking is much more systematic and dispassionate than both liberals such as yourself and conservatives.

DuringTheWar wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:If racists and Muslims had a fight fennecs head would explode - scanners style - trying to decide who to support.

Or it wouldn't, because he'd temporarilly suspend his anti religion "prejudice" to bitch about evil whitey. A microcosm of the whole progressive movement as it stands.

Jesus Christ it's so pathetic.

Instead of using ad-hominem arguments why don't you address my points and point out where I'm wrong?

Not wrong. Inconsistent, and therefore redundant.

FennecFox7 wrote:
Am I wrong for saying that Protestant Christians have ruined this country and contributed to hate, racism, and xenophobia for centuries? And yes, most are of European descent and reside in shitholes like Texas, South Carolina, and in the general South.

You are singling out a group for ruining a nation, pretty similar to anti Semites claiming Jews ruin civilisation huh? But again, it's just the inconsistency that makes me laugh.

FennecFox7 wrote:
Also, whites aren't evil. My family for the most part looks white for example, I'm just very swarthy. White is a broad race simplification, something you wouldn't know of course. How can I be racist to myself

http://www.goallegacy.net/t37030p396-the-exercise-nutrition-thread-pt-iii#1529453


Yeah, and North Africans are look just like Europeans? No noticeable differences at all right
Nice try, but people with your profile are very very capable of racism against whites.

FennecFox7 wrote:
Also,  the IQ game is legit because anyone with half an education and brain would realize how stupid Trickle-Down and Conservative values are.

This statement has no substance or bearing on reality. People with excellent spacial reasoning, verbal fluency, or whatever you're measuring, are just as capable of having conservative values as they are of believing animals are equal to humans, that children can consent to sex, or whatever other bizarre beliefs exist in the deep depths of progressivism.

Fennecfox7 wrote:
Oh yeah, I am anti-religion. I don't respect fairy tales and myths used to control people. So yeah, not sorry if I rustled your jimmies by calling out your boy Jesus and his Mythical book called the Bible. That's not racism. Look up the term racism. So therefore, my head wouldn't explode, but your brain might die due to lack of logic and reasoning.


But Muslim is usually a synonym for anyone who is from North Africa or the Middle East which is my fking point that you missed. It's a thinly veiled racist thing. You can't comprehend that can you?

Yeah yeah I get it. You don't like religion but Muslims are cool because they're brown or North african. That was my criticism of you and now you're just repeating it.

No, you STILL don't get it

I hate the muslim religion itself, how many times do I have to tell you I'm an athiest. Read my fking post or don't reply at all. It's just when conservatives use the word "muslim" they really mean anyone from the MENA region. So therefore, its a race issue fabricated into a Muslim issue. Please, read this before making ANOTHER stupid post rewording what I said.

Also, using one picture to justify me being not White. Here's food for thought; my sister has white skin and green eyes. My grandfather was blue eyed with brown hair. A mediterranid subtype will always be more swarthy then your average alpinid or nordid subtype. STILL WHITE PEOPLE AT THE END OF THE DAY It's called the Caucasian race, something yet again, your lack of intelligence can't comprehend.

You know what, your ignorance has reached an all time high. Keyboard warrior at its finest ladies and gentleman. I don't give a shit about race, you're missing my point.

Doesn't it suck to feel singled out? well with my last few posts, you now know what it feels like to be treated with hate.

My point is that instead of singling groups out like Christians or whatever the *bleep* you want to single out, you just accept the fact that we are all humans and blaming an entire region for the actions of a few is stupid.  

People ARE animals, we are just developed in key areas that has allowed us to progress as a whole (the addition of having a thumb over other apes, our enlarged brain size, etc) and not stagnate. I'm guessing you also don't believe in evolution. Like I said, read a god damn book and get informed or gtfo my replies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/704370720873193472/30MXwAI9. jpg

since you're so intent on stalking me and a picture of me, here's my sister, the one holding a phone. How unwhite does she look to you? like I said, race is a vague construct, and when I say a WASP, it's your average evangelical white conservative who lives in the south.

DuringTheWar wrote:And you are more like a conservative than a libertarian. True your views might match up with the typical libertarian in some areas, but the libertarian mode of thinking is much more systematic and dispassionate than both liberals such as yourself and conservatives.

Nope, I'm not libertarian or conservative. Try again. I'm a far left socialist who believes people's lives actually matter more then 7.35 an hour and that rich people should start giving a shit instead of buying yachts.

Hates Muslim religion "itself". Your choice of words amuses me. You can't bring yourself to say Muslims, whereas previously you felt no need to dissociate Protestants from the Protestant religion "itself" (and I am not one of them, or an American).These things are little clues as to how your psyche really works. You blatantly see this through the prism of race. You might say and even believe you think of all groups the same, but you obviously don't act like it. If you think Protestants have ruined your country, and you hate Islam equally, why were you so mad about me and unique being anti mass Islamic migration? Don't even respond with this nonsense about judging individuals by their group, if you think millions of religious people are capable of ruining countries.

It's painful to read, as a third party, how much you refuse to actually and properly read FennecFox' post.

He didn't say what you're pretending he's saying.

Read between the lines and contrast his statements about certain groups with his attitude in the plight thread, all whilst hiding behind a pretence of universalism. Universalism my ass, there's no distinction between his collective judgement and someone asserting that Muslims are ruining their country. So please just save your hypocrisy when it comes to migration.

DuringTheWar wrote:Hates Muslim religion "itself". Your choice of words amuses me. You can't bring yourself to say Muslims, whereas previously you felt no need to dissociate Protestants from the Protestant religion "itself" (and I am not one of them, or an American).These things are little clues as to how your psyche really works. You blatantly see this through the prism of race. You might say and even believe you think of all groups the same, but you obviously don't act like it. If you think Protestants have ruined your country, and you hate Islam equally, why were you so mad about me and unique being anti mass Islamic migration? Don't even respond with this nonsense about judging individuals by their group, if you think millions of religious people are capable of ruining countries.

read this;

Doesn't it suck to feel singled out? well with my last few posts, you now know what it feels like to be treated with hate.

My point is that instead of singling groups out like Christians or whatever the *bleep* you want to single out, you just accept the fact that we are all humans and blaming an entire region for the actions of a few is stupid.

I'm going to repeat this. You either read my post in a CLEAR AND CONCISE WAY and respond, or stfu.

No, they clearly are not. Your boy Bush, Reagan, and Bush jr did a horrible job of that too. Also, republicans constantly gridlock congress so Obama can't pass any laws at all.

Yes, protestants have done horrible things in the name of God. Look no further then the evils they committed to the African Americans, Asian Americans, Mexicans, hell every damn group. BUT, not every protestant is hell bent on making me out to be a heathen and lynching me, and not every muslim wants to destroy buildings and innocent people.

Also, reading between the lines is what trump supporters always do. In other words, I didn't even say what you're saying and yet, you're putting more words into my mouth on how I hate Christians or whatever. I hate all religion period. And anyone who uses any ounce of religion in government is not fit to talk about politics.




I'll counter argue and say you're assuming since I am of MENA descent, I automatically am biased towards muslims and I hate Christians. Very hypocritical and racist. But eh, whatever, live in your own world buddy. You're offending a LOT of members with your extreme rhetoric. You and unique both.

Back to previous posts alluding to "at least with Trump you know where you stand... I seriously don't get this. I have heard it before - "Trump is a straight shooter"..

He's a pathological liar... and it takes about 1 hour of watching video clips of his speeches followed by 10 minutes of fact checking to prove that.

Why do people perpetuate this myth?

DuringTheWar wrote:And anyone to the left of centre playing the IQ game needs to stop it. It is repeatedly demonstrated in psychological studies that libertarians on average have the highest IQ of any political orientation, and on economic issues they are further to the right than anyone else. For Gods sake man

Do you have a source for that?

IQ is stupid anyway, people should stop talking about it.

@Pecadillo, if you're referring to Vendetta and I, it's less about him being a "straight shooter" and that with him "you know what you're going to get", it's more about how he's very outright about his xenophobic tendencies, he's outright in terms of his speeches in what he's saying.

Essentially, I'm (and I don't know if Vendetta agrees or not) not saying that Trump is telling the truth. I don't think he is, what I'm saying is that because of the way he's been going about, he's clearly not savvy politically like Ted Cruz. He's not got the hidden danger that comes with an experienced politician that means that he might be able to push through ultra-conservative legislation that sends us back half a century.

This goes along with the idea that Trump is hated by liberals and the left already, and he's gone and managed to anger (and also basically explode) the GOP establishment as well with his campaign, with his rhetoric etc. Unless he manages to just executive order anything and everything, he's going to find it very difficult in office, especially with the ideas he has right now.

I think it's an interesting discussion and I see BC's side. In fact, I agree with BC in many ways. Trump's campaign is disgusting and the fact that he's gotten so far is embarrassing for the GOP, and embarrassing for the USA (I have said this in previous posts). The fact that BC would prefer a candidate that doesn't openly embrace fascist values and propagate hateful ideas en masse is completely reasonable and something I get along with, and agree with in many ways.

And that's why when I say that I prefer Trump to someone like Cruz, I do it while cringing. For me though the fact of the matter is, while I hate his campaign and Trump and what he stands for, I find him someone who is less dangerous in office domestic policy wise. Foreign policy wise I find him very dangerous (as established by me preferring the likes of Rubio and Kasich to Trump), but even then I'm not so sure that Ted Cruz is really any better. I'm looking at the end goal of the presidency, and I see more danger in Cruz, who is a vile, vile man.

Hopefully this clears up my own position.

The thing is that cruz can't do anything without congressional approval. He could be the most extreme person but in order for Congress to pass a bill it has to be centrist by definition. Cruz ' impact on domestic policy is overrated. Look at how much Obama has been able to do with a lame Congress, not much.

Fair counterpoint. However the fact of the matter is that Cruz remains a republican who hasn't angered the majority of conservatives, and he has the support of tea party members as well (he is not fueled by populism). This is in a current political climate where Republicans hold the house and the senate. He's spent time in politics since before 2000 (not all of it admittedly) and is a politician.

Their ability in the white house is far, far different right now.

Peccadillo wrote:Back to previous posts alluding to "at least with Trump you know where you stand... I seriously don't get this. I have heard it before - "Trump is a straight shooter"..

He's a pathological liar... and it takes about 1 hour of watching video clips of his speeches followed by 10 minutes of fact checking to prove that.

Why do people perpetuate this myth?

That really isn't what I was saying at all. In fact it was the opposite.

With Trump you have no idea what you are going to get. And he is so toxic that Republicans around him will not support his politics and he will likely be rendered a useless and ineffective president.

Also, the most important part of the next presidency that no one has mentioned is the Supreme Court.

If a hard lining conservative is allowed to stack the supreme court, and replace the aging liberal justices, progressivism in the USA is dead basically for the rest of our lives. They are appointed for life. I know exactly the type of scum that Cruz will put on the court. But with Trump, who the hell knows who he will appoint? He'll probably nominate his sister or something.

But anyway it really is a dumb conversation. The possibility that Progressivism, and social and racial progress will DEAD for the next 40 years means neither of them can be allowed anywhere near the white house. What either of them would be able to do over 4-8 years in office pales in comparison to what they would possibly do to the nation through stacking the court. It cannot be allowed to happen really at any cost.

Exactly vendetta. We can't afford another lunatic in power. I seriously feel bad for Obama.. the things he could've done with a democratic congress. We can only imagine.

I mean, he did his first two years

If I may ask, Vendetta, where in the US do you live exactly? I recall it being Connecticut? Just curious. Nice to know where the US contingent of GL live.

And where is Betty La Fea? Much as I disagree with him on his presidential choice, I do enjoy hearing his opinions. Would be curious to see how he views the whole Trump-Cruz deal.