US Presidential Race

Betty La Fea wrote:Sanders just said Hillary isn't qualified to be president

He should have attacked her way earlier. And he should have tried to win black voters. He's just too honest to do those things.

I mean, Bernie tried, he just sucked at it (trying to get black voters). I think he could have tried harder though, yes. Major oversight on his campaign's part. Say what you want about super delegates (which I really dislike) but you don't deserve the nominations if you have the numbers Sanders does with minorities/the black vote compared to Hillary.

FennecFox7 wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:Sanders just said Hillary isn't qualified to be president

He should have attacked her way earlier. And he should have tried to win black voters. He's just too honest to do those things.

He attacked her earlier and this would have been ugly. She's liked in the democratic party, and he is a Johnny come lately to the party.

He tried to win black voters. My sister took me to a rally he had down here in Atlanta at a black school. Home of the civil rights movement and he had a rapper open up for him

Not even a good rapper either, but some guy named killer mike. A guy who I had not heard of since middle school C-list at best. I knew the kids there barely knew them. I asked my sister and she was like "I think he is an actor"

Hillary on the other hand had civil rights legends stomping for her. She's always been there. Bernie never had to win over black voters in vermont, so he couldnt win them now.

CBarca wrote:I mean, Bernie tried, he just sucked at it (trying to get black voters). I think he could have tried harder though, yes. Major oversight on his campaign's part. Say what you want about super delegates (which I really dislike) but you don't deserve the nominations if you have the numbers Sanders does with minorities/the black vote compared to Hillary.

He'd be doing well with that demographic alone if he were a republican.

Clinton has got massively negative & has implied Sanders is not qualified 3 times along with many disparaging comments from her & her surrogates. She ran a very dirty campaign against Obama as well & she has started it now.

Sad part is you have possibly the most iconic Presidents who is by far the most electable Democrat in 30-40 years. The person who can reverse the Reagan era which destroyed the Democrats for decades & neither Obama nor Clinton could do anything about it.

Clinton is hated by the majority of people, record unfavorables apart from Trump, 2/3rd consider her dishonest & she has no support outside the Dem base. It looks like the GOP will have a brokered convention & may chose another guy other than Trump. Clinton is losing to both Cruz & Kasich in most polls & with a moderate GOP guy, she has no chance.

It is weird that Bernie is sweeping young voters who don't vote, winning 70-80% of the Independents, winning big among conservatives who are disgusted with dishonest bought politicians.

I remember Obama & Edwards calling her unelectable in 08. She is 1000 times worse a candidate than she was in 08.

The Dems are essentially handing over the race to the GOP!

sportsczy wrote:That's where you're wrong vendetta...  super delegates are never going to support Bernie because he's basically a socialist.  He'd get absolutely torched in a general election because no republican would ever vote for him and neither would the people in the center.

That's the issue the Republicans have with Trump too... he's too extreme.  

Most of the voters in the US don't participate in primaries because they're neither staunch republicans nor staunch democrats... they're in the middle.  The establishment in both parties know that.  So they're going to do whatever they can to have a candidate represent them that has the most mass appeal.

Sanders is sweeping the conservative votes in most state. He got 25% of the GOP Vote in his senate race as well. He has done fantastic among independents & GOP all his life.

The "Socialist" tag is not a no-go for everyone. Around 75% of the GOP guys are disgusted with Super Pacs & Citizens United in a vote - Disgusted with bought politicians & many moderate GOP people & libertarians are social liberals but fiscally conservative & they want less wars & many other stuff. There is considerable support there as well.

Anyways with the FBI thing about to settle in 2 months, there is considerable chance that Hillary's political career may be over. There is huge chance of a recommendation for indictment & even if Obama pardons her, she can't contest after that. Her aides are gonna be interviewed soon by the FBI & she is likely to be interviewed soon.

So no reason for Bernie to go slow considering Clinton may well not be the nominee

footyfan01 wrote:Clinton has got massively negative & has implied Sanders is not qualified 3 times along with many disparaging comments from her & her surrogates. She ran a very dirty campaign against Obama as well & she has started it now.

Sad part is you have possibly the most iconic Presidents who is by far the most electable Democrat in 30-40 years. The person who can reverse the Reagan era which destroyed the Democrats for decades & neither Obama nor Clinton could do anything about it.

Clinton is hated by the majority of people, record unfavorables apart from Trump, 2/3rd consider her dishonest & she has no support outside the Dem base. It looks like the GOP will have a brokered convention & may chose another guy other than Trump. Clinton is losing to both Cruz & Kasich in most polls & with a moderate GOP guy, she has no chance.

It is weird that Bernie is sweeping young voters who don't vote, winning 70-80% of the Independents, winning big among conservatives who are disgusted with dishonest bought politicians.

I remember Obama & Edwards calling her unelectable in 08. She is 1000 times worse a candidate than she was in 08.

The Dems are essentially handing over the race to the GOP!

The idea that Hillary is hated by a majority seems to be a myth when you consider she has more votes than anybody else, republican or democrat, during this primary season.

I don't see some handpicked convention candidate, who will have none of trumps supporters, would be able to beat Hillary.

It doesn't matter who it is between Bernie and Hillary imo, the GOP isn't getting the white house.

I personally know many republicans who are hesitant to vote for these candidates, much less independents

CBarca wrote:
I personally know many republicans who are hesitant to vote for these candidates, much less independents

I asked my 10 million democrat friends and none of them said they'd vote for Hillary. Footy is right, nominate the demo*friendly sounding prefix*cratic socialist or the party's over.

Two questions:

What is Citizens United?

Anybody care to explain why some folks were calling for Michael Bloomberg to run for president?

Blue Barrett wrote:Two questions:

What is Citizens United?

Anybody care to explain why some folks were calling for Michael Bloomberg to run for president?

1. A supreme court decision in 2010 which said corporations had a right to speak, and use their money, against candidates during an election. Pretty much confirmed America's status, in law, as a plutocracy.

2.America's hard-on for NYC politicians. Same reason Giuliani is always on TV when all he did was sign in laws to racially profile people and looked sad during 9/11.

That's a stupid court decision. I can see why a lot of people hate it.

Blue Barrett wrote:Two questions:

What is Citizens United?

Anybody care to explain why some folks were calling for Michael Bloomberg to run for president?

Both Hillary and Trump have huge unfavorable ratings so people want Bloomberg to run as a centrist 3rd party candidate because he had earlier considered doing this and, as a billionaire, he has funds available to make a run for it. Bloomberg was considering it in March but decided against it because he concluded the chance that he would steal votes from Hillary and give Trump presidency was too high.

Bloomberg's right, too. Trump has very loyal voters, he's so extreme that there's no alternative to him. It would benefit him to run against several moderate candidates who steal votes from each other, but he should stand no chance in a two-way race.

I'm still in disbelief how such a great country can vote trump in. wow, and barely any votes for Kasich, who believe it or not I would support over hiliary.

Kasich is awful

And Trump's not being voted in. He's not getting anywhere close to the white house even if he manages to avoid a convention/survives the convention.

FennecFox7 wrote:I'm still in disbelief how such a great country can vote trump in. wow, and barely any votes for Kasich, who believe it or not I would support over hiliary.

Kasich defunded planned parenthood in Ohio. He is absolutely terrible.

I know you guys have different values down there in Texas, but Kasich over Hillary by anybody under the age of 40 is baffling.

He's Walker-lite, balancing the Ohio budget by cutting $84+ million from public education, going to war with unions and, unlike Walker, including police and firefighters in his crosshairs. Partially for that reason, he failed at getting any reform done and had to stop because it was putting him under too much scrutiny. Oh, and as Betty points out, he defunded planned parenthood.

I've said he's more reasonable than Cruz or Trump, but that doesn't mean he's any good. Just that Cruz and Trump are batshit crazy, which is stating the obvious.

CBarca wrote:He's Walker-lite, balancing the Ohio budget by cutting $84+ million from public education, going to war with unions and, unlike Walker, including police and firefighters in his crosshairs. Partially for that reason, he failed at getting any reform done and had to stop because it was putting him under too much scrutiny. Oh, and as Betty points out, he defunded planned parenthood.

I've said he's more reasonable than Cruz or Trump, but that doesn't mean he's any good. Just that Cruz and Trump are batshit crazy, which is stating the obvious.

Definitely. Kasich is just what remains of an absolutely dead party that is going off the cliff with the likes of Cruz.

Betty La Fea wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:I'm still in disbelief how such a great country can vote trump in. wow, and barely any votes for Kasich, who believe it or not I would support over hiliary.

Kasich defunded planned parenthood in Ohio. He is absolutely terrible.

I know you guys have different values down there in Texas, but Kasich over Hillary by anybody under the age of 40 is baffling.

Yeah well if you've been following my posts then you should know I strongly do NOT identify with the loonies in Texas. Also, I'm probably more far left then you can dream to be lol. Just fyi. I don't want a criminal being president. That should be more then enough of a reason.

FennecFox7 wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:I'm still in disbelief how such a great country can vote trump in. wow, and barely any votes for Kasich, who believe it or not I would support over hiliary.

Kasich defunded planned parenthood in Ohio. He is absolutely terrible.

I know you guys have different values down there in Texas, but Kasich over Hillary by anybody under the age of 40 is baffling.

Yeah well if you've been following my posts then you should know I strongly do NOT identify with the loonies in Texas. Also, I'm probably more far left then you can dream to be lol. Just fyi. I don't want a criminal being president. That should be more then enough of a reason.

Going by the political spectrum thread the difference between us is negligible.

FennecFox7 wrote:

Yep. If you have any questions on my views shoot away

Also, viva

Betty La Fea wrote:

No shock here.

But that does seem like a weird position to take, the part about not wanting a "Criminal" to be president for someone on the far left when you see that most progressive ideas in this country were forwarded by acts that were considered illegal by people widely considered criminals. You think of things from the Haymarket affair in the 19th century to MLK jr in the last century. All people fighting for progressive ideas, and made criminals of it, who would be by your own standards unfit to hold the highest office in the nation.

If you want change, in a true way, you are more often than not going to be voting for someone deemed a criminal by the establishment.

Well there's a different between embezzlers and civil rights activists, though.

VivaStPauli wrote:Well there's a different between embezzlers and civil rights activists, though.

Of course but that isn't what is explicitly said when the statement about not wanting a criminal in office is made though. Especially from a modern progressive stance.

I think the most sane position to take here is simple "innocent until proven guilty", wouldn't it be?

Until anyone actually gets her on some sort of criminal charges, I'm going to hold off. Then vote that criminal into office when I'm forced to in November

Hilary is not a progressive by any means, she's a fraudgressive. However, CBarca I didn't know about that, so thanks for telling me. I thought he was pretty moderate but the GOP is even more messed up then I thought.

Also, on another note, Trump is just as much of a liar lol. So any republican insulting her should probably look at their own party.