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Post by StrugaRock Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:38 pm

zigra wrote:
StrugaRock wrote:
zigra wrote:He's 72. He should just retire. Enough of this homeopathy from a dinosaur, it's time to get an actual scientist in :bow:


Time to ditch Maester Pycelle and find a Qyburn....

:bow: Grandmaester Qyburn :bow: Frankensteining Robben :bow:


Doctor: I can end Robben's injury problems.
Pep: Will that weaken Robben?
Doctor: No my lord.
Pep: Then get on with it.
*Pep leaves the room*
Doctor: But he won't be the same! Muahahahahahah

*thunderstorms in the background*

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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:47 pm

I can already picture the cover of the next Titanic issue:

an image of Jürgen Drews
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with the headline "Wird ER der neue Bayern-Doc?"
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Post by rwo power Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:56 pm

LOL, in some other forum I just read the comment "So, what's Dr.Fuentes doing at the moment?" XD
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:03 am

Hapless_Hans wrote:wtf is this shit?!

what is going on lol.

That being said, the guy is a 3500 year old mummy who is just being animated, posing as our doctor, so I guess at some point it wouldn't work anymore.


Sounds like he's actually Robert Strong hmm
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Post by Winter is Coming Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:31 am

I need more information on this situation.
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Post by Jonathan28 Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:28 am

Fußball wrote:
StrugaRock wrote:In4 Kloppo to Bayern, Pep to Barca rumors start popping on tomorrows front page :coffee:  


Do not want, thanks. :coffee: We're finally winning CL away games. Laughing


This is funny but also true. As much as I'm thankful to Pep for all that he did for us, I really don't want him back. 2nd comings rarely end well.
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Post by Footyfan Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:11 am

It's difficult for us to turn this around. We are much more dependent on Robben that Barca on Messi or Real on Ronaldo. They have guys like Neymar, Suarez, Bale or Benzema who score in big matches, have ridiculous technical skills, dribbling ability or are very very fast.

We have only Robben and we expect him to score some ridiculous long distance curler or dribble past 2-3 people and score everytime. That thing cant wok everytime.

Also Alaba, Ribery, Martinez, etc are too difficult to replace when injured

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Post by Mr_Puyol Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:51 am

If Bayern advance they are winning the whole thing.
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Post by zenmaster Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:52 am

Mr_Puyol wrote:If Bayern advance they are winning the whole thing.


What logic ? Shocked
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Post by Harmonica Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:18 am

Footyfan wrote:It's difficult for us to turn this around. We are much more dependent on Robben that Barca on Messi or Real on Ronaldo. They have guys like Neymar, Suarez, Bale or Benzema who score in big matches, have ridiculous technical skills, dribbling ability or are very very fast.

We have only Robben and we expect him to score some ridiculous long distance curler or dribble past 2-3 people and score everytime. That thing cant wok everytime.

Also Alaba, Ribery, Martinez, etc are too difficult to replace when injured
Funny guy. Laughing

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Post by free_cat Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:28 am

rwo power wrote:Well, sometimes homeopathy helps better than school medicine. School medicine (lots of cortisone prescribed by idiot doctors) ruined my immune system without curing what was intended, while homeopathy finally healed that condition without any further side effects. :coffee:


You have got to be kidding.

Homeopathy is NOTHING. It's just sugar pills. Do you know homeopathy principles?
1- Chemicals that cause a symptom can cure them it if they are diluted. (So cofee can cure insomnia!  Laughing Or Alcohol drunkedness!  Laughing )
2- The more diluted, the more powerful it is. (which means that most homeopathy has no actual chemical except the sugar excipient, hence impossible that makes any effect, or you would get a huge effect the less you have a chemical: imagine getting more drunk with less alcohol... start NOT drinling now to party)

It's complete nonsense. Plus, all scinetific reviews have proven it doesn't work better than placebo.

If you got cured, it wasn't thanks to homeopathy, it was just your body. 99% of illnesses are fought and won by our body alone.


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Post by free_cat Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:40 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Nah it has to do with the training system. Free_Cat had the details but basically the team always slumps in February because of the higher intensity of weekly training and to develop the conditioning to end the season strongly. You should be out of the slump by April but I think right now it's mostly a case of injuries.


Fußball wrote:Yes, we called it Hlebruary for a reason. That it has anything to do with "deliberately intensifying the training so the team can peak for the CL final but play chit on a stick in the quarter final" seems a myth though. I doubt free_cat has any insight on FC Barcelona's training regimes. Also we're not in February anymore. We're in mid April.


Just to clarify, my info was gotten from Marti Perarnau and public info from catalan radios. Marti Perarnau is the man who has been a whole year with Pep Guardiola in Bayern's locker room and written the book Herr Pep, so he is quite credible.

Also, in most seasons under Pep Guardiola the system really worked. Every season we reached the final stages in great form, but it's not a sureproof method because injures can disrupt the planning and humans are not robots.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:43 am

Harmonica wrote:
Footyfan wrote:It's difficult for us to turn this around. We are much more dependent on Robben that Barca on Messi or Real on Ronaldo. They have guys like Neymar, Suarez, Bale or Benzema who score in big matches, have ridiculous technical skills, dribbling ability or are very very fast.

We have only Robben and we expect him to score some ridiculous long distance curler or dribble past 2-3 people and score everytime. That thing cant wok everytime.

Also Alaba, Ribery, Martinez, etc are too difficult to replace when injured
Funny guy. Laughing

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not sure what this graph is supposed to demonstrate, but if you've got nothing to contribute than to twitch at the electrical impulse of the buzzword "Messi", maybe you don't need to take part in this thread hmm
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:49 am

free_cat wrote:
rwo power wrote:Well, sometimes homeopathy helps better than school medicine. School medicine (lots of cortisone prescribed by idiot doctors) ruined my immune system without curing what was intended, while homeopathy finally healed that condition without any further side effects. :coffee:


You have got to be kidding.

Homeopathy is NOTHING. It's just sugar pills. Do you know homeopathy principles?
1- Chemicals that cause a symptom can cure them it if they are diluted. (So cofee can cure insomnia!  Laughing Or Alcohol drunkedness!  Laughing )
2- The more diluted, the more powerful it is. (which means that most homeopathy has no actual chemical except the sugar excipient, hence impossible that makes any effect, or you would get a huge effect the less you have a chemical: imagine getting more drunk with less alcohol... start NOT drinling now to party)

It's complete nonsense. Plus, all scinetific reviews have proven it doesn't work better than placebo.

If you got cured, it wasn't thanks to homeopathy, it was just your body. 99% of illnesses are fought and won by our body alone.


I commemorate this historic date to forever be known as "I agreed with free_cat day"!
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Post by Harmonica Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:53 am

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
Footyfan wrote:It's difficult for us to turn this around. We are much more dependent on Robben that Barca on Messi or Real on Ronaldo. They have guys like Neymar, Suarez, Bale or Benzema who score in big matches, have ridiculous technical skills, dribbling ability or are very very fast.

We have only Robben and we expect him to score some ridiculous long distance curler or dribble past 2-3 people and score everytime. That thing cant wok everytime.

Also Alaba, Ribery, Martinez, etc are too difficult to replace when injured
Funny guy. Laughing

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not sure what this graph is supposed to demonstrate, but if you've got nothing to contribute than to twitch at the electrical impulse of the buzzword "Messi", maybe you don't need to take part in this thread hmm
It demonstrates how much more Messi does for the team than Robben, and you're telling me changing Messi to Pedro or Robben to who ever of the long list of star players, Bayern loses more? What a joke.
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:54 am

Really is ridiculous, Bayern were doing fine when Robben was injured - as long as the coach was Heynckes. Sure, they ended up winning the UCL when he came back, and Robben really might be their best player, but they had tons of excellent matches against top opposition with Müller on the right, and Robben on the bench.

Bayern historically struggle, just like post-Ballack Germany, when Schweinsteiger is missing.
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Post by free_cat Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:56 am

VivaStPauli wrote:Really is ridiculous, Bayern were doing fine when Robben was injured - as long as the coach was Heynckes. Sure, they ended up winning the UCL when he came back, and Robben really might be their best player, but they had tons of excellent matches against top opposition with Müller on the right, and Robben on the bench.

Bayern historically struggle, just like post-Ballack Germany, when Schweinsteiger is missing.


Bayern is missing half their team, and the other half makes idiotic mistakes... it's normal that they struggle and really not Pep's fault that Alonso or Dante half dumb.
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Post by rwo power Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:57 am

Harmonica wrote:
Footyfan wrote:Also Alaba, Ribery, Martinez, etc are too difficult to replace when injured
Funny guy. Laughing

Spoiler:
Nice that you set the comparison matrix on "show totals" when Messi played 31 matches versus 6 of Robben's Laughing

Never trust a statistic you haven't fixed yourself, eh?


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Post by futbol Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:57 am

Can't believe that's all Viva has got after what is happening right now in München. Just a measly "under Heynckes Bayern did well without Robben"? I'm disappoint. You're on the decline, brother.

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Post by Harmonica Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:59 am

rwo power wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
Footyfan wrote:Also Alaba, Ribery, Martinez, etc are too difficult to replace when injured
Funny guy. Laughing

Spoiler:
Nice that you set the comparison matrix on "show totals" when Messi played 31 matches versus 6 of Robben's Laughing

Never trust a statistic you haven't fixed yourself, eh?
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It's harder to play, more you play in the same period, because you have less overall energy or form per game. It's the total contribution what matters for the team.
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Post by rwo power Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:04 pm

Here's the per 90min comparison:
Spoiler:
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Post by FennecFox7 Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:05 pm

I think people are underestimating porto. Brahimi, casemiro, herrera, and danilo are some badass players to name a few. With the team bayern are fielding its pretty 50/50 in terms of quality
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Post by Harmonica Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:05 pm

rwo power wrote:Here's the per 90min comparison:
Spoiler:
That's wrong, you have Bundesliga twice.

So Robben can't contribute what Messi does per 90 min, even resting 2/5 of the time, when your team does well without him? You just repeated the exact same what the other chart told. Laughing


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Post by rwo power Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:08 pm

I didn't repeat the same thing. "Show totals" accumulates the data, so if you play more you have naturally much higher numbers. "per 90 minutes" is a quotient, that is the data is divided by 90 minutes, making the data comparable if the number of played matches is different.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:09 pm

Wth are "attack score" "possession score" "defense score"? Laughing
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Post by Harmonica Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:10 pm

rwo power wrote:I didn't repeat the same thing. "Show totals" accumulates the data, so if you play more you have naturally much higher numbers. "per 90 minutes" is a quotient, that is the data is divided by 90 minutes, making the data comparable if the number of played matches is different.
Logically you did, and I already told you two times why. Try some coffee, maybe you'll wake up.
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