Re: The Offical Rap Thread Part 3

by MJ Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:16 am

Sales have literally no bearing on how great a rapper is unless you only like them because of their popularity. Eminem is the biggest rapper of all time and nothing will change his early career, as much as he tries to make us forget his classics.

At his peak, nobody rhymed like him. Lyrically, in terms of his imagination and the things he talked about; he was fearless and peerless on the mic.

But some rappers age well and others don't. He's part of the latter even if he still goes platinum when he puts out stuff that pales in comparison to what he used to be able to do. Just the way it goes.

by Blue Barrett Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:38 am

Eminem is top 3 for me.

Hov
Nas
Em

Everybody else.

I wouldn't argue with your top 3 if it had any of those 3 in any order.

Hov proved his greatness once again though by dropping a classic at 47 years old. 13th solo album is a classic. Unheard of.

by Warrior Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:48 am

Individuals
1. Biggie
2. Nas
3. Guru

Groups
1. Bone Thugs
2. Wu Tang Clan
3. Mobb Deep

by Warrior Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:58 am

Whilst he's clearly among the very best, i wouldn't consider Eminem as the absolute goat. Once a certain level of excellence is reached, it becomes a matter of preference, so i respect your opinion.

Top lyricists imo, in no particular order and of course i forget some Thumbs up

Nas, Biggie Smalls, Big L, Eminem, Common, Redman, MF Doom, Guru, Inspectah Deck

by RealGunner Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:01 am

The undisputed GOAT for me is 2pac. No one touches him.

Can't decide between 2nd and 3rd.

by El Gunner Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:47 am

guest7 wrote:"So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street?
When gang banging make me kill a nigga blacker than me?"

Such a iconic line from TPAB. Again I love the good kid persona Kendrick has but he kinda went against that in DAMN. imo. Biggest flaw along with the inconsistencys of the songs on it. But every song is a banger so I understand why people like it. I bump DNA in the car alot but I like the conscious authentic side more.

Wait wait... what is this shit?
What happened to yin and yang? Isn't that what Kendrick is all about? Hasn't he fueled his lyrics over his career so far with his inner struggles which always involves contradictions. Having to identify himself in his culture, pointing out the "wrongs" in his culture, but also recognising where these "wrongs" stem from, and that he is a part of it, directly or indirectly.

Kendrick has never been about being this "good kid" which you are portraying. I think you might even misinterpret with what he really meant with "good kid" in that album. He didn't mean pure good, separating himself from the violence, crime, drugs, vices in his culture. All he was trying to do was to say that he is conscious and interogative regarding these stuff, and once you have such a person it always means he has a good, wise, logical thinking head on his body.

And as far as this stupid Eminem vs Kendrick debate is concerned, I'm with Freeza, stop this bullshit. Both are legends, Eminem is still my favourite of all time. His earlier work is timeless and legendary, nobody can *bleep* with that. I admire Kendrick for being the first real rapper since Eminem to have such mainstream success, DAMN just went double platinum if y'all wanna talk numbers. I'm really glad pop culture has become so conscious, and Kendrick is one of the causes of that through the music that he makes, and in turn now he is acclaimed and successful in pop culture.

And I have to say, at the rate that Kendrick is going I think he might overtake Eminem in my personal books soon.
Kendrick is such a smart artist overall.

by El Gunner Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:50 am

Warrior wrote:Individuals
1. Biggie
2. Nas
3. Guru

Groups
1. Bone Thugs
2. Wu Tang Clan
3. Mobb Deep

I just DO NOT get why Biggie is so acclaimed and adored by fans. I like about 2 - 3 Biggie songs, but that's about it. I dislike his flow, his lyrics are average to me. I just never ever get it.

But obviously it probably is just a personal thing and something is wrong with me Laughing

because as I said, he is so widely held in high regard.

by RealGunner Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:59 am

Well he isn't in my top 10 list so it's not just you but it's a matter of preference. Don't think he is overrated because he is probably one of the best story tellers however he isn't amazing. Just very very influential. Many rappers made it due to copying his style.

by LeVersacci Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:05 am

His flow is untouched. No one beats his insane flow.

My top 5 in no order

2Pac
BIG
Nas
Kendrick
Eminem

Special mention to Andre 3k.

by Warrior Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:49 am

Depends on what you are looking for as a rap "customer"

- flow
- lyrics
- instrumental
3 main categories in which i divide the quality of a song/album

I rate Biggie as my favourite rapper because, to me he got it all: flow, story telling, lyrical twists, rhymes, fat loungy instrumentals... corresponds exactly to what i appreciate in hip hop. So he gets an A+ in all 3 aspects listed above. Of course, this seems very mechanical but in my mind it is a fluid thought process.

That's why you don't see artists like Travis Scott, Kendrick Lamar, Savage 21 in my top 50 rappers. Not what i'm looking for in terms of flow and instrumentals, so i don't rate them.
But sure, i admit some quality in their repertoire, i jammed a lot recently over that song HUMBLE for example.

by Blue Barrett Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:31 am

El Gunner wrote:
Warrior wrote:Individuals
1. Biggie
2. Nas
3. Guru

Groups
1. Bone Thugs
2. Wu Tang Clan
3. Mobb Deep

I just DO NOT get why Biggie is so acclaimed and adored by fans. I like about 2 - 3 Biggie songs, but that's about it. I dislike his flow, his lyrics are average to me. I just never ever get it.

But obviously it probably is just a personal thing and something is wrong with me because as I said, he is so widely held in high regard.

For me, I appreciate Biggie so much because I think his flow is insane and Hov, who's the greatest in my eyes, takes some influences from Biggie if we're being honest.

On the other hand, I just do NOT get why 2 Pac is soooooo highly rated. I mean I get that he was talking about shit people could relate to but so where a bunch of other rappers at the time. His flow is actually VERY basic imo. His body of work is also too small to call him the greatest. Obviously, it's not his fault he couldn't rap for longer but it is what it is.

Both Pac and Biggie have too few bodies of work for me to rate either top anything but Biggie's insane flow is what puts him in my personal top 10. I'd listen to Biggie 10 times before listening to Pac.

by LeVersacci Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:34 am

This is why no talks about who's #1 rapper. Impossible to rate the overall #1 rapper.

It's always the usual top 5

Pac, BIG, Nas, Jay & Em

With 3k in some top 5's

by Freeza Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:46 am

My top 5
Kendrick
Jay Z
Eminem
Andre 3000
Ice Cube

Never been that caught up by Bigger or Pac. Nas would probably be my sixth man on this.

by Blue Barrett Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:00 am

Would Wayne make your top 10? Ignore post 2011 Wayne when you think of this please Laughing

by Freeza Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:06 am

Blue Barrett wrote:Would Wayne make your top 10? Ignore post 2011 Wayne when you think of this please

Yeah he most definitely would be there. The rest in top 10 would probably be Kanye, 50 and Chance (I love his style so much and I'm confident the body of work will get there eventually).

by Kaladin Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:33 am

Top 10:

Kendrick
J Cole
Eminem
T-Pain (08)
Lil Wayne (08)
Snoop Dogg
Kanye (pre-Kim)
Nelly ('04)
Lupe Fiasco ('11)
Kid Cude (Prime MOTM days)

by Blue Barrett Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:46 am

Freeza wrote:
Blue Barrett wrote:Would Wayne make your top 10? Ignore post 2011 Wayne when you think of this please

Yeah he most definitely would be there. The rest in top 10 would probably be Kanye, 50 and Chance (I love his style so much and I'm confident the body of work will get there eventually).

Not sure why people rate Chance so much. The guy hardly even rhymes and his flow is quite ordinary. Oh well...

ES wrote:Top 10:

Kendrick
J Cole
Eminem
T-Pain (08)
Lil Wayne (08)
Snoop Dogg
Kanye (pre-Kim)
Nelly ('04)
Lupe Fiasco ('11)
Kid Cude (Prime MOTM days)

Not sure anyone would count T-Pain as a rapper though.

by LeVersacci Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:55 am

Pretty sure that's a troll list.

by Kaladin Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:36 am

Not a troll list, my top 10

by M99 Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:33 pm

2pac
Biggie
Eminem
Nas
KDot
Rakim
Jay Z
J Cole
Andre 3000
Snoop Dogg/TI

by Blue Barrett Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:36 pm

M99 wrote:2pac
Biggie
Eminem
Nas
KDot
Rakim
Jay Z
J Cole
Andre 3000
Snoop Dogg/TI

Kendrick over Hov....

Cole top 10....

Ah well, preferences.

by M99 Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:49 pm

Blue Barrett wrote:
El Gunner wrote:
Warrior wrote:Individuals
1. Biggie
2. Nas
3. Guru

Groups
1. Bone Thugs
2. Wu Tang Clan
3. Mobb Deep

I just DO NOT get why Biggie is so acclaimed and adored by fans. I like about 2 - 3 Biggie songs, but that's about it. I dislike his flow, his lyrics are average to me. I just never ever get it.

But obviously it probably is just a personal thing and something is wrong with me because as I said, he is so widely held in high regard.

For me, I appreciate Biggie so much because I think his flow is insane and Hov, who's the greatest in my eyes, takes some influences from Biggie if we're being honest.

On the other hand, I just do NOT get why 2 Pac is soooooo highly rated. I mean I get that he was talking about shit people could relate to but so where a bunch of other rappers at the time. His flow is actually VERY basic imo. His body of work is also too small to call him the greatest. Obviously, it's not his fault he couldn't rap for longer but it is what it is.

Both Pac and Biggie have too few bodies of work for me to rate either top anything but Biggie's insane flow is what puts him in my personal top 10. I'd listen to Biggie 10 times before listening to Pac.

Dude what? His body of work is insane as of itself, never mind that he died at 26. Has at least 3 albums which are classics, two which are on the argument for greatest album of all time.

2pac's storytelling, lyrics, raw emotion and versatility made him the GOAT. Also his flow was very above just average. The best judge of influence a rapper has are actual rappers themselves and when you see modern day GOATS like Eminem, 50 Cent, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole all say they were hugely influenced by 2pac, you know how damn influential he was.

by M99 Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:57 pm

Blue Barrett wrote:
M99 wrote:2pac
Biggie
Eminem
Nas
KDot
Rakim
Jay Z
J Cole
Andre 3000
Snoop Dogg/TI

Kendrick over Hov....

Cole top 10....

Ah well, preferences.

I hate making top 10 lists. Feel that 50 Cent and The Game should definitely be in there but I can't figure out in place of who.

by guest7 Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:09 pm

If you don't agree with me that good kid is about the influence of being born in Compton and rising above the violence and drugs to become someone better than the product of his environment then I can't take you seriously.

Only logical reason I've for making XXX is that Kendrick is human. XXX is filled with hyman emotions

by El Gunner Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:15 pm

Did you even read what I typed?

by guest7 Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:56 am

meh, I never claimed Kendrick was a pure good kid, I just said it's about rising above it, loving yourself and living rightous which is the same thing.

Anyway for what it's worth I was just being dumb. XXX is totally not promoting violence but rather portraing the evil circle in compton. Third verse speaks for itself

GOAT song. My fav from DAMN.

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