Re: Kia Havertz Watch - Next Marko Marin?

by Warrior Sun 13 Sep - 19:37:00

Ah i see, he's decent but not great ?

by VivaStPauli Sun 13 Sep - 19:50:45

Hugely overrated, and spelled "Kia", both of those, yes.

by Kick Mon 14 Sep - 8:17:49

by Hapless_Hans Mon 14 Sep - 11:39:34

by Hapless_Hans Tue 15 Sep - 9:14:14

Think his Özilian "body language" will make him a target in the English public in no time

by Robespierre Tue 15 Sep - 10:44:26

He'd been pocketed without problem from Inter defence (despite a goal, a bit randomic) on that Europa League knock-out. Anyway I remember same thing for Hazard in Lille times and that is the best omen possible for a Chelsea fan

by Katy Perry Wed 16 Sep - 14:35:15

Shouldn't read much into the game, but it was a very disappointing debut from him ngl. I get it that it was still a debut and that he was out of position, but part of the appeal of his signing was that he's supposed to be able to play everywhere upfront.

James's performance in a very similar circumstance was absolutely brilliant for example. The Everton players did play through him a lot though, which wasn't the case with Kai. And Brighton is possibly a harder opponent that Spurs right now.

by Arquitecto Wed 16 Sep - 16:04:13

Those are two very different players, Katy.

James is proven playmaker whereas Kai cannot have a team built around himself per say given he is more a multi-purpose player, despite his general impressive vision.

I feel Lampard may use that versatility of his to his advantage but possibly the detriment of Havertz? How? Some managers abuse a players versatility for their tactics and leave the player with little identity.

Either way looking as bad as he did is not a bad sign for never have I seen him perform this badly. Just clearly overawed by the occasion.

by VivaStPauli Wed 16 Sep - 21:07:43

I also never found Havertz to be all that great on the wings, did all of his best work in the center, for ages now...

by BarrileteCosmico Thu 17 Sep - 1:40:10

Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd? Laughing

by iftikhar Thu 17 Sep - 19:11:07

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd?

Brendan, Ole, Mou :coffee:

by VivaStPauli Fri 18 Sep - 10:54:54

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd?

That sounds blatantly insane, what even is the logic behind that?

by Helmer Fri 18 Sep - 16:01:57

VivaStPauli wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd?

That sounds blatantly insane, what even is the logic behind that?

I would just sit still, wait long enough and watch how Havertz will be a great player for Chelsea for years to come Laughing

by Doc Sat 19 Sep - 20:44:34

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd?

4th tbh

by Mr Nick09 Tue 22 Sep - 14:31:57

Let’s keep updating this thread

2 games 2 flops without showing even a little bit of elite talent. Ok.

by VivaStPauli Tue 22 Sep - 15:31:42

Was he on the wings again versus Liverpool, or did he get to play his position?

Future free transfer flop?

by El Gunner Tue 22 Sep - 16:45:12

started out on the wing, then was moved on to a false 9 position very early on

by RealGunner Sun 13 Dec - 0:22:07

by Firenze Sun 13 Dec - 2:44:35

change thread title to next Marko Marin, as predicted

by Mr Nick09 Sun 13 Dec - 6:47:43

Is he playing that bad? Shocking

by Hapless_Hans Sun 13 Dec - 11:18:40

Mega Flop

by El Gunner Sun 13 Dec - 12:08:32

not only is he flopping hard out there, but it constantly looks like he is in need of a bloody meat steak and he can't take any sunlight

by Kaladin Sun 13 Dec - 14:20:36

Bundesliga

by Mr Nick09 Sun 13 Dec - 15:43:17

This is the risk of signing young players who are specialist in their roles and have complete freedom in their previous clubs. They go to bigger clubs where 1) that freedom doesn’t exist 2) there is competition, 3) they don’t necessarily play the same role/position and they struggle. Very similar to Joao Felix

by Casciavit Sun 13 Dec - 15:50:15

Mr Nick09 wrote:This is the risk of signing young players who are specialist in their roles and have complete freedom in their previous clubs. They go to bigger clubs where 1) that freedom doesn’t exist 2) there is competition, 3) they don’t necessarily play the same role/position and they struggle. Very similar to Joao Felix

I don't get why top teams would sign these 9.5's knowing fully well they are really only at their best behind the CF, and you don't get half the impact from them by playing them as wingers or CM's.

It's mind boggling.

by Hapless_Hans Sun 13 Dec - 17:30:48

Casciavit wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:This is the risk of signing young players who are specialist in their roles and have complete freedom in their previous clubs. They go to bigger clubs where 1) that freedom doesn’t exist 2) there is competition, 3) they don’t necessarily play the same role/position and they struggle. Very similar to Joao Felix

I don't get why top teams would sign these 9.5's knowing fully well they are really only at their best behind the CF, and you don't get half the impact from them by playing them as wingers or CM's.

It's mind boggling.

Bosz played Havertz as CM along with Brandt and it was Havertz breakout season.
The position argument is misleading. The right argument is role and expectations.
Havertz wasn't ready to be main man at a big club and he isn't the player to give the impression he's running things, which was always going to hurt him in an England that never understood what was Özil about even after season on season of top chance creation.
He should have joined Bayern next summer as Müller understudy. That would have been best.

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