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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by RealGunner on Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:27 pm

@Helmer wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:Haha, United's center-backs are something else. Gundogan the only guy they have to guard there, but they give him all the time in the world to control the cross and finish it. gg.

I guess it had more to do with complete domination and circulation of the ball before that last move. City were passing the ball around the pitch with so ease and Utd players seemed switched off thinking City are just slowing down the game probably.

Anyways, City seem to be just unstoppable atm.


Just like their illegal supply of money (:

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Post by Unique on Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:29 pm

cant wait to see who jose blames for manure being smashed.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Helmer on Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:31 pm

@RealGunner wrote:
@Helmer wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:Haha, United's center-backs are something else. Gundogan the only guy they have to guard there, but they give him all the time in the world to control the cross and finish it. gg.

I guess it had more to do with complete domination and circulation of the ball before that last move. City were passing the ball around the pitch with so ease and Utd players seemed switched off thinking City are just slowing down the game probably.

Anyways, City seem to be just unstoppable atm.


Just like their illegal supply of money (:

On one side I agree. But if someone is exploiting the system and not getting caught or have financial muscle power to get away with it, that is the luck City has Laughing
On football side, nothing to take away from them.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Unique on Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:39 pm

what the hell has gone wrong with de gay. he was good once.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Unique on Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:40 pm

Referee David McNamara has been suspended for 21 days by the FA after asking captains to play rock, paper, scissors, after forgetting his coin.

The incident occurred ahead of the Women's Super League game between Manchester City and Reading on October 26, and involved England captain Steph Houghton.

After forgetting his coin for the toss prior to kick-off, McNamara permitted the captains to play rock, paper, scissors, in order to determine playing ends and kick off.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11553487/referee-david-mcnamara-suspended-by-fa-over-rock-paper-scissors-controversy

so when a ref ruins a teams dreams by making shit decisions nothing happens but he gets a ban for this. :facepalm: :facepalm:

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Jay29 on Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:20 am

Fulham have sacked Slavisa Jokanovic and replaced him with Claudio Ranieri.

http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2018/november/14/claudio-ranieri-named-manager-of-fulham-football-club

It had been coming. At their current rate, Fulham will concede 100+ goals this season and go down with a lower points tally than Derby in 2008 (which was one of the worst PL campaigns from a club ever).
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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by RealGunner on Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:33 am

It's strange how these managers do amazingly well to turn a poor side struggling in the championship(even close to being relegated) into getting promoted but then struggle so badly in the PL.

With the signings Fulham made, they should be doing a bit better than they are now. Even if they aren't stellar signings they still spent like 100m. Either the manager had no say in those transfers and they are not what he wanted or he just isn't good enough for this stage.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Kaladin on Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:57 pm



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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:02 pm

Top footballer, top guy.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:02 pm

@RealGunner wrote:It's strange how these managers do amazingly well to turn a poor side struggling in the championship(even close to being relegated) into getting promoted but then struggle so badly in the PL.

With the signings Fulham made, they should be doing a bit better than they are now. Even if they aren't stellar signings they still spent like 100m. Either the manager had no say in those transfers and they are not what he wanted or he just isn't good enough for this stage.



I've said this before but money doesn't mean anything, it's just a meaningless number on a piece of paper.

What matters is what you get with that money and it's looking like most of what they signed aren't of the desired quality.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:25 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@RealGunner wrote:It's strange how these managers do amazingly well to turn a poor side struggling in the championship(even close to being relegated) into getting promoted but then struggle so badly in the PL.

With the signings Fulham made, they should be doing a bit better than they are now. Even if they aren't stellar signings they still spent like 100m. Either the manager had no say in those transfers and they are not what he wanted or he just isn't good enough for this stage.



I've said this before but money doesn't mean anything, it's just a meaningless number on a piece of paper.

What matters is what you get with that money and it's looking like most of what they signed aren't of the desired quality.


That's not the definitive answer either. These players showed quality before in order to cost the money Fulham spent on them.

Or are you telling me all of Mitrovic, Seri -who was linked with far bigger clubs all summer-, the legendary Alfie Dawson, Schürrle, Atletico's Vietto AKA the new Aguero, Man Utd's Fosu-Mensah, Arsenal's Calum Chambers, Sevilla's multiple EL winning GK Sergio Rico are all not quality enough to achieve more than 5 points in 12 PL games?

If a group of players performs so poorly after such an investment, it's a problem with management.

It's very possible for example that the club bought too many players and thus disrupted the functioning team already there (it must have been functioning to get promoted), and the manager couldn't integrate all these players from various backgrounds and expectations.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:16 pm

Most of those are just names to me, none of them have really proved on the pitch that they are of the necessary quality for a team.

I think they might be good in other situations with better players but all of them in the same place ? I don't think they are good enough.

A lot of things with football and team sports in general tbh is about fit and situation, there's very few players who are great regardless. I would go as far as 80% maybe are dependent on their situation.

For example Serri might be a good player on a on a European contender who fits a role, but asking him to be one of the best players on a struggling team with other players who probably fit the same scenario is a tough ask.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Sina on Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:14 pm



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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Robespierre on Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:23 pm

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Jay29 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:24 pm

VAR confirmed for the Premier League... next season.
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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by urbaNRoots on Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:37 pm

Better late than never.
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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Kaladin on Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:00 pm

The problem with VAR is the referee's interpretation of it, too many times he makes the wrong call even with the video evidence.

However, it is still better than the referee calling non-existant penalties, it has reduced the amount mis-calls, but there is a lingering amount of mistakes with the referee's usage of VAR. I'm hoping that EPL fans recognize this when its implemented and be outspoken.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Jay29 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:08 pm

That's not really a problem with VAR itself, though. The technology isn't inherently bad. Ultimately, it's still humans using the tech, which is why you'll never be without error. Until the overall standard of refereeing improves, bad errors will still be a thing.

But the aim isn't to erase all errors, tbh. It's for a 5-10% increase in accuracy that'll make a lot of difference in a game with such fine margins.
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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:54 pm

@Jay29 wrote:That's not really a problem with VAR itself, though. The technology isn't inherently bad. Ultimately, it's still humans using the tech, which is why you'll never be without error. Until the overall standard of refereeing improves, bad errors will still be a thing.

But the aim isn't to erase all errors, tbh. It's for a 5-10% increase in accuracy that'll make a lot of difference in a game with such fine margins.


Exactly. Mistakes will continue to happen, even maddening ones (in Bundesliga there have been quite a few abysmal situations surrounding VAR and its appliance), but blatant, game deciding things like pens given for dives, clear offside goals etc, will highly decrease, and that is objectively a good thing.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Unique on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:55 pm

@Kaladin wrote:
makes me want to quit my job at lidl and go to work for the FA. cheers

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by CBarca on Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:21 pm

@Jay29 wrote:That's not really a problem with VAR itself, though. The technology isn't inherently bad. Ultimately, it's still humans using the tech, which is why you'll never be without error. Until the overall standard of refereeing improves, bad errors will still be a thing.

But the aim isn't to erase all errors, tbh. It's for a 5-10% increase in accuracy that'll make a lot of difference in a game with such fine margins.


At the end of the day some calls can go 50/50 depending on interpretation (and also bias, in forms of who you support, camera angles especially, etc).

It's what you get when you have such a vague rulebook, which football absolutely does.

Of course the advantage is a free flowing game with few interruptions or stoppages of play for ticky tack fouls (like in basketball).

I've come around to support VAR but as I've said many times, as long as its introduction is appropriate in the time it takes and how many times it's used. For the most part, it's use has been pretty good from what I've seen.

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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Jay29 on Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:01 pm

Premier League statement on the FA's reported discussion about increasing home-grown player quotas:

The Premier League has held a range of conversations with Government and stakeholders regarding the impact on British football of the UK leaving the European Union.

We currently operate rules that limit the number of non-homegrown players clubs can have in senior squads, while also working with clubs to operate a world-leading player development system which delivers for England teams at every level.

This was demonstrated by the many Premier League club Academy and senior players whom FA coaches moulded so well into Under-17 and Under-20 FIFA World Cup winners and men’s FIFA 2018 World Cup semi-finalists.

There is no evidence that stronger quotas than exist now would have a positive impact on national teams.

We approach this matter in the interests of British football as a whole and have held positive discussions with the EFL and the Scottish Professional Football League, who both agree that Brexit should not be used to weaken playing squads in British football, nor to harm clubs’ ability to sign international players.

The three league bodies also recognise that the development pathway for young British players needs to be further enhanced and are committed to finding ways of achieving this across all professional clubs.

Away from playing squads, it is important to recognise the global interest in the Premier League and in our clubs when they compete in the FA and Carabao Cup competitions, and the wider positive impact on the UK of having a successful Premier League.

Our competition is watched in 189 countries, 700,000 visitors to the UK per season attend a match, clubs employ 12,000 full-time staff and Premier League football generates £3.3bn per season in taxes.

We have a positive working relationship with The FA and will continue to have constructive discussions with them, and other stakeholders.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/916592?sf202799783=1

For some background, here's a report about the FA pursuing stricter quotas:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/20/fa-cut-overseas-players-regardless-brexit

It says the FA want to limit non-home grown players (players who haven't belonged to a UK club for three years before they turn 21) to 13 (current limit is 17) regardless of what deal the UK makes with the EU. At moment, the top six clubs have anywhere between 15 and 17 non-HG players, not including u21 players, who don't have to be registered regardless of nationality.

In a no deal scenario, EU players would have to qualify for a work permit in the same way American, African and Asian players do. This requires players to meet the "governing body endorsement". As it stands, about 65% of PL players would fail to get work permits under the current criteria. Hence, the FA want to sweeten the deal for PL clubs by relaxing the GBE and making it easier to sign foreign players.

(Just to explain how the work permit stuff works: players need to have played a percentage of internationals to automatically qualify, and that percentage varies depending on where their nation ranks in the FIFA rankings - the better the nation, the less games a player needs to play for them. However, a permit can be given on appeal if the players meets enough criteria. Things like how big the transfer fee is and how much money they'll earn are factors.)

The FA believe that stricter quotas will lead to more homegrown players being played and those players getting better since they're getting more minutes.

The timing of it works against them because 2017 and 2018 have been excellent years for the national team at all age groups, and more and more young players are going abroad to get minutes.
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Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

Post by Art Morte on Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:35 pm

The current home-grown quota is pretty well balanced, imo. Many of the top teams like Chelsea and City are operating right at the limit (hence they sign guys like Drinkwater and Delph). You increase the quota and the quality at the top is going to drop, there are not many great English / British players around right now.
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Post by Unique on Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:01 pm

this is another reason why the top people in this country are educated but are as dumb as shit tbh. they worry about home grown quota for pro footballers that lets face it only a very very small number of english/british people have a chance of being yet we have no home grown quota for all the jobs that most working class people have every chance of getting. lets think about this for a minute someone comes up with the idea that it would be good to restrict a few young pro players from coming the the epl who are hard working that has a big talent and will pay big money in taxes. and then open the doors to millions of people that have no skills. dont speak english. have criminal records and leach of the tax payer and government. and not only did some idiot come up with that idea a shit load of other idiots agreed with it. :facepalm:

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Post by Firenze on Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:47 pm



some decent matches, we back :bow:
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