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Yea the thing is about Vini is he CANT CONTINUE to think hes special or whatever n act like the way he is n has been doing this whole season basically? I think ppl need to realize that DESPITE whatever is happening with the racist fans etc., bottom line is VINI NEEDS TO ADJUST himself.

Reason being as we all said already n as Sport mentioned, opposition fans n prolly players alike will just enjoy it n wanna do it even more if they see Vini act that way all the time, it just doesnt solve anything n actually provokes them n makes things worst. Pretty sure he will realize that soon, will need to learn to control himself as hes not a teenager anymore? Hes a damn elite pro sports star, n he has to face the public day in day out or at least when he plays, n that includes racists, ultras, fans or whoever, etc, lol? N if Real has some competent advisers to help him... otherwise I agree with Sport, if he cant handle that type of pressure he prolly better off at another club with another environment.

Vini can cry to the moon about abuse, racism, and whatever else.  It may mostly even be justified.  But it will hurt him more than anything else.  Valencia FC isn't going to sanction its football fans.  La Liga isn't going to sanction its football fans.   Spain isn't going to sanction its fans.

The only three things that would cause actual movement (and not lip service which is all that's going on, including Real Madrid.  Hate crime?  Get a grip lol; that's not going anywhere) are:
-  Politicians/elected officials/bureaucrats feeling that their power is being threatened
-  Sponsors going away
-  Fans moving away from football

None of these 3 are going to happen in the short term.  So instead, there's this whole PR thing going on right now which will likely lead to absolutely... nothing.

So, Vini needs to develop a thick skin and stop reacting, which will then cause people to stop triggering him this way.  Because, believe it or not, the intent isn't to be racist.  It's to get Vini to play worse/self-destruct so their team wins.  That's it.  Nothing more sinister than that.

Even if change were to occur... it will take years btw.  So Vini either adapts or needs to leave.  There's no other choice for him.

I'm saying this with Vini's well-being in mind.  It just won't end well for him by attacking and calling out these idiots.   The only way is to not play their game... Vini is reacting in the exact manner that they hope he would believe it or not.   Get out of La Liga kid.  Your mental health and happiness aren't worth it if you can't deal.  Plenty of great clubs in more hospitable places would love to have you.

Just to also be clear, I adore Spain. But just like France, there are a lot of morons and a lot of them seem to go to football games. France is more diverse than Spain though... so if fans were to say something racist in the stands, there's a good chance that a group of other fans would beat the crap out of them. So for self-preservation purposes, this type of idiocy happens less. Plenty of racism in France though... but not during football games.

@Hala - UK has it too.  Plenty of it in fact.  

Here's a good study on it:  https://uia.brage.unit.no/uia-xmlui/bitstream/handle/11250/2787471/Isak%20Skadberg%20Gravdal.pdf?sequence=1

Not as bad as Italy or Spain though. With hooligans banned, a lot of the terrible ones went away as a secondary impact.

sportsczy wrote:Vini can cry to the moon about abuse, racism, and whatever else.  It may mostly even be justified.  But it will hurt him more than anything else.  Valencia FC isn't going to sanction its football fans.  La Liga isn't going to sanction its football fans.   Spain isn't going to sanction its fans.

The only three things that would cause actual movement (and not lip service which is all that's going on, including Real Madrid.  Hate crime?  Get a grip lol; that's not going anywhere) are:
-  Politicians/elected officials/bureaucrats feeling that their power is being threatened
-  Sponsors going away
-  Fans moving away from football

None of these 3 are going to happen in the short term.  So instead, there's this whole PR thing going on right now which will likely lead to absolutely... nothing.

So, Vini needs to develop a thick skin and stop reacting, which will then cause people to stop triggering him this way.  Because, believe it or not, the intent isn't to be racist.  It's to get Vini to play worse/self-destruct so their team wins.  That's it.  Nothing more sinister than that.

Even if change were to occur... it will take years btw.  So Vini either adapts or needs to leave.  There's no other choice for him.

I'm saying this with Vini's well-being in mind.  It just won't end well for him by attacking and calling out these idiots.   The only way is to not play their game... Vini is reacting in the exact manner that they hope he would believe it or not.   Get out of La Liga kid.  Your mental health and happiness aren't worth it if you can't deal.  Plenty of great clubs in more hospitable places would love to have you.

Parts of this take are reasonable and parts are just wild.

Vini did nothing wrong. He's done absolutely nothing that we don't see anywhere in Spain or elsewhere. He's done nothing to deserve the abuse he's receiving nor have those who are abusing him done nothing to deserve being protected from their actions. Why does he have to change how he conducts himself yet the people racially abusing him, whether its 2 or the whole fucking nation, get to just continue doing it without absolutely any accountability? That's an astounding thing to say to a victim of racist abuse.

I do agree that there needs to be a mass exodus of Black players from both La Liga (and Serie A as well) as racism is rampant among not just the fans, but the media and league organizations as well. The requires a concerted effort from both the players and the agencies repping them to take a stand. Unfortunately, money talks though.

Agreed.  Vini has done nothing wrong.  I'm just expressing (imo) how he could stay if he chose to...   there isn't a magic wand to solve the problem.  Ideally, society would stand up and abolish these issues.  We all know that's not going to happen.

So he either needs to adapt or leave.  He's lucky enough that the option is available for him.  A lot of people dealing with racism (and other prejudice) don't have an opportunity to leave the situation.

sportsczy wrote:Agreed.  Vini has done nothing wrong.  I'm just expressing (imo) how he could stay if he chose to...   there isn't a magic wand to solve the problem.  Ideally, society would stand up and abolish these issues.  We all know that's not going to happen.

So he either needs to adapt or leave.  He's lucky enough that the option is available for him.  A lot of people dealing with racism (and other prejudice) don't have an opportunity to leave the situation.

I get the crux of what you're saying. Perhaps it's just the wording.

There's a lot of "buck up, buttercup" energy to that "adapt" portion that just doesn't sit right with me.

halamadrid2 wrote:Players in EPL complain of wht Haaland does in a game to get in the head of the defenders yet I don't see players being encouraged to break his legs and then blaming him for it.

Are you referring to this kind of talk?

it's pretty tough to just tell a full human being with emotions to develop thick skin in this situation when an entire society is against you

i don't blame him at all for reacting in this manner, as Sportszcy says, his mental health is paramount and he should leave for the GOAT league or Bayern for his own good.

We all can agree that things should be done n shouldnt this should that, but thing is, the world is just not like that, no matter how progressive times have become Tbh Im guessing for example the US n the wealthy west in general are able approaching those points of development but rest of the world are just so far behind. Bottom line is a lot of ppl just wont change n whoever u r, n if ur Vini no matter what u do, its not gonna change straight away? That unfortunate but thats just the way ppl n the world r

Hala is really still just thinking like previlaged Real fan or something... how do I put it, look all the other black players even just in Real's team, do they act in ways like Vini does? Im sure most if not all of them get abused, Rudiger, Militao, Rodrygo etc etc., but they know its no use to act up it will just esculate things without solving it.

BarcaLearning wrote:Yea the thing is about Vini is he CANT CONTINUE to think hes special or whatever n act like the way he is n has been doing this whole season basically? I think ppl need to realize that DESPITE whatever is happening with the racist fans etc., bottom line is VINI NEEDS TO ADJUST himself.

Reason being as we all said already n as Sport mentioned, opposition fans n prolly players alike will just enjoy it n wanna do it even more if they see Vini act that way all the time, it just doesnt solve anything n actually provokes them n makes things worst. Pretty sure he will realize that soon, will need to learn to control himself as hes not a teenager anymore? Hes a damn elite pro sports star, n he has to face the public day in day out or at least when he plays, n that includes racists, ultras, fans or whoever, etc, lol? N if Real has some competent advisers to help him... otherwise I agree with Sport, if he cant handle that type of pressure he prolly better off at another club with another environment.

Fucking moron!

BarcaLearning wrote:We all can agree that things should be done n shouldnt this should that, but thing is, the world is just not like that, no matter how progressive times have become Tbh Im guessing for example the US n the wealthy west in general are able approaching those points of development but rest of the world are just so far behind. Bottom line is a lot of ppl just wont change n whoever u r, n if ur Vini no matter what u do, its not gonna change straight away? That unfortunate but thats just the way ppl n the world r

Hala is really still just thinking like previlaged Real fan or something... how do I put it, look all the other black players even just in Real's team, do they act in ways like Vini does? Im sure most if not all of them get abused, Rudiger, Militao, Rodrygo etc etc., but they know its no use to act up it will just esculate things without solving it.

Fucking moron - again! (Three times in same day!)

sportsczy wrote:Vini can cry to the moon about abuse, racism, and whatever else.  It may mostly even be justified.  But it will hurt him more than anything else.  Valencia FC isn't going to sanction its football fans.  La Liga isn't going to sanction its football fans.   Spain isn't going to sanction its fans.

The only three things that would cause actual movement (and not lip service which is all that's going on, including Real Madrid.  Hate crime?  Get a grip lol; that's not going anywhere) are:
-  Politicians/elected officials/bureaucrats feeling that their power is being threatened
-  Sponsors going away
-  Fans moving away from football

None of these 3 are going to happen in the short term.  So instead, there's this whole PR thing going on right now which will likely lead to absolutely... nothing.

So, Vini needs to develop a thick skin and stop reacting, which will then cause people to stop triggering him this way.  Because, believe it or not, the intent isn't to be racist.  It's to get Vini to play worse/self-destruct so their team wins.  That's it.  Nothing more sinister than that.

Even if change were to occur... it will take years btw.  So Vini either adapts or needs to leave.  There's no other choice for him.

I'm saying this with Vini's well-being in mind.  It just won't end well for him by attacking and calling out these idiots.   The only way is to not play their game... Vini is reacting in the exact manner that they hope he would believe it or not.   Get out of La Liga kid.  Your mental health and happiness aren't worth it if you can't deal.  Plenty of great clubs in more hospitable places would love to have you.

Just to also be clear, I adore Spain. But just like France, there are a lot of morons and a lot of them seem to go to football games. France is more diverse than Spain though... so if fans were to say something racist in the stands, there's a good chance that a group of other fans would beat the crap out of them. So for self-preservation purposes, this type of idiocy happens less. Plenty of racism in France though... but not during football games.

TOTALLY DISAGREE, Sports proclaims he knows more about my country that I do! There are definitely problems, but this totally damming the entire country is a bit ridiculous. There is one asshole that is behind most of this and that is Tebas. He is being called out, all over the place today. This won’t get fixed quickly, but there are plenty of things happening today and much of it is due to Vinicius clearly identifying the culprits.

And this saying Vinicius is the cause of it or has to accept it ……is just offensive. Just look at the posts the fucking moron has made!

Speaking of Tebas......

1. Neither Spain nor @LaLiga is racist, it is unfair to say this.

2. At @LaLiga we report and go after racism in the strongest possible way within our remit.

3. We have reported nine instances of racist insults this season (eight have been against @vinijr). We always identify… https://t.co/KFXHOJv6cb

— Javier Tebas Medrano (@Tebasjavier) May 22, 2023

It doesn't get more tone deaf and cowardly than that, gents.

Loving the awareness that vini is raising. That has been a major victory in itself. I’m seeing it all over my feed and he’s getting tons of coverage. Tebas is in hot water right now and it’s beautiful to see. Xavi just came out in support for vini as well.

McLewis wrote:Speaking of Tebas......

1. Neither Spain nor @LaLiga is racist, it is unfair to say this.

2. At @LaLiga we report and go after racism in the strongest possible way within our remit.

3. We have reported nine instances of racist insults this season (eight have been against @vinijr). We always identify… https://t.co/KFXHOJv6cb

— Javier Tebas Medrano (@Tebasjavier) May 22, 2023

It doesn't get more tone deaf and cowardly than that, gents.

Talk about some serious gas lighting

Lol.... @ Admins, can I continuiously be called 'fucking moron' here like that... ppl cant just disagree n gotta be like that nowadays Just making my opinion without being offensive apparently some ppl cant... actually these ppl acting like Vini himself a bit, its no wonder

sportsczy wrote:Vini can cry to the moon about abuse, racism, and whatever else.  It may mostly even be justified.  But it will hurt him more than anything else.  Valencia FC isn't going to sanction its football fans.  La Liga isn't going to sanction its football fans.   Spain isn't going to sanction its fans.

The only three things that would cause actual movement (and not lip service which is all that's going on, including Real Madrid.  Hate crime?  Get a grip lol; that's not going anywhere) are:
-  Politicians/elected officials/bureaucrats feeling that their power is being threatened
-  Sponsors going away
-  Fans moving away from football

None of these 3 are going to happen in the short term.  So instead, there's this whole PR thing going on right now which will likely lead to absolutely... nothing.

So, Vini needs to develop a thick skin and stop reacting, which will then cause people to stop triggering him this way.  Because, believe it or not, the intent isn't to be racist.  It's to get Vini to play worse/self-destruct so their team wins.  That's it.  Nothing more sinister than that.

Even if change were to occur... it will take years btw.  So Vini either adapts or needs to leave.  There's no other choice for him.

I'm saying this with Vini's well-being in mind.  It just won't end well for him by attacking and calling out these idiots.   The only way is to not play their game... Vini is reacting in the exact manner that they hope he would believe it or not.   Get out of La Liga kid.  Your mental health and happiness aren't worth it if you can't deal.  Plenty of great clubs in more hospitable places would love to have you.

Just to also be clear, I adore Spain. But just like France, there are a lot of morons and a lot of them seem to go to football games. France is more diverse than Spain though... so if fans were to say something racist in the stands, there's a good chance that a group of other fans would beat the crap out of them. So for self-preservation purposes, this type of idiocy happens less. Plenty of racism in France though... but not during football games.

None of those things happen without the PR and attention that stems from it. The very easiest way for it to continue is for everyone to act like it's just a case of a few bad apples. Whether it's to get in his mind or because of actual racist attitudes, these are the sort of things that need to be punished irrespective. It's not funny, it's not fun and games, it's just plain racism and hatefulness, and should be treated that way.

BarcaLearning wrote:We all can agree that things should be done n shouldnt this should that, but thing is, the world is just not like that, no matter how progressive times have become Tbh Im guessing for example the US n the wealthy west in general are able approaching those points of development but rest of the world are just so far behind. Bottom line is a lot of ppl just wont change n whoever u r, n if ur Vini no matter what u do, its not gonna change straight away? That unfortunate but thats just the way ppl n the world r

Hala is really still just thinking like previlaged Real fan or something... how do I put it, look all the other black players even just in Real's team, do they act in ways like Vini does? Im sure most if not all of them get abused, Rudiger, Militao, Rodrygo etc etc., but they know its no use to act up it will just esculate things without solving it.

Can you just shut the fuck up please and stop interjecting yourself in stuff you have no clue about?

Retarded fanboys

BarcaLearning wrote:Lol.... @ Admins, can I continuiously be called 'fucking moron' here like that... ppl cant just disagree n gotta be like that nowadays Just making my opinion without being offensive apparently some ppl cant... actually these ppl acting like Vini himself a bit, its no wonder

Nothing new

Pedram wrote:

BarcaLearning wrote:We all can agree that things should be done n shouldnt this should that, but thing is, the world is just not like that, no matter how progressive times have become Tbh Im guessing for example the US n the wealthy west in general are able approaching those points of development but rest of the world are just so far behind. Bottom line is a lot of ppl just wont change n whoever u r, n if ur Vini no matter what u do, its not gonna change straight away? That unfortunate but thats just the way ppl n the world r

Hala is really still just thinking like previlaged Real fan or something... how do I put it, look all the other black players even just in Real's team, do they act in ways like Vini does? Im sure most if not all of them get abused, Rudiger, Militao, Rodrygo etc etc., but they know its no use to act up it will just esculate things without solving it.

Can you just shut the fuck up please and stop interjecting yourself in stuff you have no clue about?

Retarded fanboys

Nah I enjoy posting too much, I love GL, its fun to see some rival jealous fans like u as well Keep it up man...