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Post by Onyx Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:45 am

It's possible, however it does depend on Simeone staying. If he leaves and Costa gets sold, then I can see them returning to their previous state.

In terms of Valencia, it's should be fairly easy getting that 4th spot in La Liga. They just need to assemble the best team possible.

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Post by Donuts Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:47 am

if Atletico Madrid maintain this for more then 3 years i'll say it's easily a top 3 league..
as for top 4 I don't see it happening anytime soon even with a Valencia takeover..
unless they inject money into Valencia like PSG or City does

I heard they will only have a 50m spending??
that wont even get them an Ozil type of player
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Post by Ruben Pardo Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:50 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:No shame in supporting Alcorcon mate

Well they have Dani Pacho and got takenover by some millionaire called Roland Duchâtelet a few weeks ago.

everyone remember Alcorcon from when they played RM in the copa del rey, back then Alcorcon played in the third division of Spanish football
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:52 am

Yohan Modric wrote:It's possible, however it does depend on Simeone staying. If he leaves and Costa gets sold, then I can see them returning to their previous state.

In terms of Valencia, it's should be fairly easy getting that 4th spot in La Liga. They just need to assemble the best team possible.

rofl

Classic MT lol.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:54 am

A 3 team league is more realistic

Even if Valencia do well from the takeover, how are they going to convince loads of top players to come when they can just as easily join up an equally or even more financially sound club and compete for the league year in, year out


I doubt it will become a 4 horse race in the forseeable future

If Atletico can keep it up, a 3 team league isn't too hard to imagine. Although it's fairly unlikely I'd say.
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Post by Robespierre Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:57 am

4 I don't think , more realistic 3 and it would be a good thing...
in this football there is not the same balance than once in all European leagues ... 3 squads who vie  for a league is much,by this time...
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:06 am

I'll just say that Takeovers won't become successful as they would in the PL or elsewhere because of the imbalance of the TV rights and the duopoly of Madrid and Barcelona. It's just not a good business prospect for the companies. They will have to spend a lot from their own pocket with little coming in with the profit. Reason why Malaga owners failed so badly.
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Post by Ruben Pardo Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:10 am

RealGunner wrote:I'll just say that Takeovers won't become successful as they would in the PL or elsewhere because of the imbalance of the TV rights and the duopoly of Madrid and Barcelona. It's just not a good business prospect for the companies. They will have to spend a lot from their own pocket with little coming in with the profit. Reason why Malaga owners failed so badly.

Malaga are still a lot better off now then they were before the takeover, the owner is complying with FFP and financially the club is stable, let's not forget how close Malaga were to reaching the semi's of the champions league last season.

i actually respect Malaga for dong things the right way
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:12 am

Donuts wrote:if Atletico Madrid maintain this for more then 3 years i'll say it's easily a top 3 league..
as for top 4 I don't see it happening anytime soon even with a Valencia takeover..
unless they inject money into Valencia like PSG or City does

I heard they will only have a 50m spending??
that wont even get them an Ozil type of player

like it's easy to get an Ozil type of player  Laughing 
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Post by Donuts Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:16 am

the example of an ozil type of player is world class.
and for them to make it top 4 and be contenders in the champions league they need a world class player.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:20 am

Ruben Pardo wrote:
RealGunner wrote:I'll just say that Takeovers won't become successful as they would in the PL or elsewhere because of the imbalance of the TV rights and the duopoly of Madrid and Barcelona. It's just not a good business prospect for the companies. They will have to spend a lot from their own pocket with little coming in with the profit. Reason why Malaga owners failed so badly.

Malaga are still a lot better off now then they were before the takeover, the owner is complying with FFP and financially the club is stable, let's not forget how close Malaga were to reaching the semi's of the champions league last season.

i actually respect Malaga for dong things the right way

They had to sell 3 of their key players this summer to find stability in finance. Before that they were struggling to pay wages to their players. They are going nowhere after the takeover since the owners don't want to spend their own money and there is no money to earn in la liga.

Read this article http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19387975
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Post by Ruben Pardo Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:27 am



That's really old news, yes they did that to comply with the FFP, the owner doesn't want to sell Malaga, he just wants to do things the right way, the owner by the way is a billionaire, the cousin of the PSG owner, so there's no financial problems on that side it's down to pride and outlook of the club, they want to focus on developing young instead of oil money transfers
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Post by serieAkings Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:53 am

I think even a 3 team league is hard to achieve. Barca and Real are so dominant, I can't see Atletico keeping up with them for too long. Even if they do keep up with them for a couple of years, they'll eventually collapse and it will become a 2 horse league again.
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Post by terrance511 Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:45 pm

i hope villarreal get new investor.
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Post by FilthyLuca Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:52 am

serieAkings wrote:I think even a 3 team league is hard to achieve. Barca and Real are so dominant, I can't see Atletico keeping up with them for too long. Even if they do keep up with them for a couple of years, they'll eventually collapse and it will become a 2 horse league again.

this is exactly what will happen

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Post by iftikhar Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:22 am

serieAkings wrote:I think even a 3 team league is hard to achieve. Barca and Real are so dominant, I can't see Atletico keeping up with them for too long. Even if they do keep up with them for a couple of years, they'll eventually collapse and it will become a 2 horse league again.

Yeah, even Valencia didn't manage CL every year during their best years (1998-08), though they made it quiet often.
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Post by windkick Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:12 am

So does somebody know the details of the Valencia "takeover"

Do the new owners have a ton of cash? If they do who's to say they will spend? It's a few weeks before the window closes and nothings happened, and if they do have cash they will probably have to paid off some debt first and work on the contraction of the stadium thats been holding them up forever before they begin to spend big on signings
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:08 am

You can never have a "big 4" in La Liga.

What you can have is a "large 2" under the "huge 2".

Sure, one of the large 2 can upset the table and might even win the league every blue moon. But no team can compete with the huge 2's larger income, fan-base, history, and prestige.
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Post by McLewis Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:25 am

Ruben Pardo wrote:All i wish for Valencia is club stability, i hope they don't go down the Man City and Chelsea route.

It would be nice to think that Valencia can spend the little money they get on players instead of debt.

People always go on about the small amount of money la liga teams get, but it's worse because most of that money goes towards club debt, if la liga teams were given the money that say Stoke City get then they'd probably be twice as strong, during these hard times Spanish teams have learned to spend money very wisely unlike many prem sides.

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Post by Lord Awesome Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:22 am

I'm pretty sure the "Top Player problem" can be fixed by doing what Valencia have done in the past decade.

Produce top quality talent.

Or we can buy potential talent from Other Leagues or from overseas. I certainly don't think having top players in the future is no problem for a club like Valencia.

The only thing we can do this season right now is to finish at a Europa League spot which I'd be content with.
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:39 am

I doubt there will be multiple significant signings in the Winter. Just one would be fine for now.

As for the owner paying the debt I guess he can choose when to pay though I imagine there must be a deadline somewhere.
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Post by Lord Awesome Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:21 am

Looks like we just landed Vargas.

http://www.football-espana.net/39534/valencia-agree-vargas-deal

Hopefully it's worth it. Don't really know much abaout except that he had a stint with Napoli and Gremio.

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Post by M99 Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:16 am

GTFI beat Barcelona on Camp Nou :bow:
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Post by Harmonica Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:20 am

:bow: Exposing lol players at Barcelona.
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Post by Art Morte Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:22 am

Knew they just had to get rid of the deadwood in the squad to start producing results like this :bow:
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Post by M99 Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:26 am

Harmonica wrote: :bow: Exposing lol players at Barcelona.

Like Messi Proud
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