Whos a bigger flop?

by the xcx Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:39 pm

Kaka or Torres?
Not saying that they are bad players apart from Torres, but surely those 2 havent lived up their prices. Considering that Kakas first season with Madrids was more successful than Torresses, they still havent produced/contributed to the team to justify theyre inital contract value.
Discuss.

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:41 pm

kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??

by Sushi Master Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:41 pm

Kaka bought in billions in shirt sales and his sexy face is good for business.

Torres, too, I guess.

As players, they both flop hard. I'm not judging Torres until season's end, but I doubt he's going to pick it up any time soon.

by Guest Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:43 pm

Kaka is back training with the group. As long as the Brazil NT doesn't call him, he does fine. As soon as he gets called up by the NT, he gets injured. I wish they would just leave him alone lol.

As far as a the bigger flop... Kaka has flopped longer. So we need to see how long Torres flops.

But a floppy Kaka >>>>>>>>>>> a floppy Torres.

by RealGunner Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:44 pm

hala, 15 mins

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:45 pm

remember carvalho was back in training as well until he got injured again, wouldnt rule that out for kaka

But a floppy Kaka >>>>>>>>>>> a floppy Torres

^^^^^

by the xcx Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:47 pm

Kakas contributions to the team this season has been quite surprising, since I cant even remember a game when he got a starter roll or even as a sub rofl.
4 goals and 6 assists, quite good.

by Raptorgunner Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:48 pm

KAKA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toreass.

by Ganso Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:49 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??

yes,because kaka chooses to be injured :facepalm:

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?

by the xcx Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:51 pm

Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?

Infact he has, but stats arent everything. Özil has done far more offensively than kaka, but then again thats far to obv. since he is a starter. Not to mention he has contributed to Madrid much more what Kakas has done with hes..2 years and counting.

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:55 pm

Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?

whenever kaka is back from injury it takes him ages to get back and even when he does he all of a sudden suffers another injury by sitting on his bum, if really he was a fighter he would do what higuain and all our other players did/do i.e. do his all to get back and make himself available straight away

by Lord Awesome Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:55 pm

Kaka is still better than Ozil player wise so I guess Kaka having better stats in less games isn't surprising.

Ozil is a little bifferent to Kaka, though. Let's keep in mind that Kaka is more of a Dribbler than Ozil thus allowing him to have more Scoring and Final Pass opportunities than Ozil, who is a better Passer and is much more relient on Setups and Final Passes.

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:57 pm

Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?

he has less asissts than ozil eventhough he has forced ozil on the wing since he is too stupid to play there himself

by Doc Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:57 pm

Nothing wrong with putting an apostrophe every now and then. I don't know exactly how to judge either. Both can pick up form without much notice and look like their price tag was deserved. At the same time, both are currently under achieving greatly and neither has yet to live up to their price tag. Which is not either fault as that's how much Chelsea and Real Madrid wanted to pay for either player.

by EarlyPrototype Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:01 pm

Kaka = 20 goals and 23 assists in 66 games. Quite a few sub appearances too.

Torres= 5 goals and 5 assists in 33 games.

by Ganso Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:02 pm

[quote="halamadrid2"]

The xcx wrote:
Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?
he has less asissts than ozil eventhough he has forced ozil on the wing since he is too stupid to play there himself

kaka 9 apps 4 goals 4 assists
ozil 20 apps 4 goals 9 assists

"forced ozil on the wing" lmao

by the xcx Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:04 pm

[quote="Ganso"]

halamadrid2 wrote:
The xcx wrote:
Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?
he has less asissts than ozil eventhough he has forced ozil on the wing since he is too stupid to play there himself
kaka 9 apps 4 goals 4 assists
ozil 20 apps 4 goals 9 assists

"forced ozil on the wing" lmao

Those stats are way off, lol

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:04 pm

the games kaka has featured in, ozil has been forced on the wings, so yh

and after that we have suffered injuries to DiMaria etc so ozil has still been forced on the wings to accomodate the losses

yet he has more asissts than kaka this season

by Adit Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:04 pm

Yes kaka is crap at wings so thats why we are forced to use ozil at wings inorder to bring balance to our play.We are already too much left sided team,playing with kaka as right winger is as good as playing with 9 men.

by the xcx Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:12 pm

No, chelsea fans? Id like to hear what they have to say eco smile

by Ganso Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:17 pm

[quote="The xcx"]

Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
The xcx wrote:
Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?
he has less asissts than ozil eventhough he has forced ozil on the wing since he is too stupid to play there himself
kaka 9 apps 4 goals 4 assists
ozil 20 apps 4 goals 9 assists

"forced ozil on the wing" lmao
Those stats are way off, lol

how are they off?
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/84775/mesut-%C3%B6zil?cc=3888
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/21364/ricardo-izecson-dos-santos-leite?cc=3888

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:24 pm

Ganso wrote:
Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
The xcx wrote:
Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?
he has less asissts than ozil eventhough he has forced ozil on the wing since he is too stupid to play there himself
kaka 9 apps 4 goals 4 assists
ozil 20 apps 4 goals 9 assists

"forced ozil on the wing" lmao
Those stats are way off, lol
how are they off?
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/84775/mesut-%C3%B6zil?cc=3888
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/21364/ricardo-izecson-dos-santos-leite?cc=3888

thats not the apps though, thats how many games youve started

ozil has played 25 altogether, while kaka has played 16 and none of those against remotedly hard opponents

by RealGunner Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:25 pm

so from torres vs kaka it turned to kaka vs ozil

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:29 pm

watch out gunner, an arsenal player may be dragged into this slough

by the xcx Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:29 pm

[quote="Ganso"]

The xcx wrote:
Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
The xcx wrote:
Ganso wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:kaka is injured more than he is available, its like he doesnt want to fight for a spot....torres is just torres i.e. cr*p

btw RG, why no chatbox, EL now??
yes,because kaka chooses to be injured

doesnt kaka have better stats than ozil this season anyway?
he has less asissts than ozil eventhough he has forced ozil on the wing since he is too stupid to play there himself
kaka 9 apps 4 goals 4 assists
ozil 20 apps 4 goals 9 assists

"forced ozil on the wing" lmao
Those stats are way off, lol
how are they off?
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/84775/mesut-%C3%B6zil?cc=3888
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/21364/ricardo-izecson-dos-santos-leite?cc=3888

My misunderstanding lol, I thought we were talking about productiveness in club not NT. Carry on

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