"Messi has the best final ball in the world"
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"Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Albiceleste Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:28
Do you agree with this statement? 
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Red Alert Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:29
That depends on what you mean by 'final ball'?
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Swanhends Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:31
Cassano >>>>>>>>>
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Highburied Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:31
No...
I have the best balls.
I have the best balls.
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by Pedram Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:32
Messi has a great vision that help in most cases, you wonder how he found Abidal amongst so many defenders.
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by nichabr Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:35
bhends wrote:Cassano >>>>>>>>>
has me imagining how he would play in this barca team....would fit like a glove if he had more work rate.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Harmonica Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:37
Without a question. If Villa would have buried his 1on1 chances, Messi would have like 30 assists already.
One of the best final balls I have ever seen.
Btw. he knows where Abidal is.
One of the best final balls I have ever seen.
Btw. he knows where Abidal is.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Sushi Master Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:41
It's pretty damn good, yeah. Top 5 material.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by jibers Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:49
Honestly, He is great but most of his final balls are the same. Barcelona do the same thing all the time. Messi does a diagonal ball to either an incoming forward or the fullback. It's the same thing. Xavi is still the superior passer in every departmet. Not knocking Messi down or saying it's easy but the runs are easier to read because they do it every game pretty much.
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by billionmillion Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:53
nothing to do with barcelonajibers wrote:Honestly, He is great but most of his final balls are the same. Barcelona do the same thing all the time. Messi does a diagonal ball to either an incoming forward or the fullback. It's the same thing. Xavi is still the superior passer in every departmet. Not knocking Messi down or saying it's easy but the runs are easier to read because they do it every game pretty much.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Harmonica Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:54
I don't agree with this, it's like saying Cronaldo is better dribbler than Messi, as his repertoar is wider. Messi is master final ball passer, and I think I've seen everykind of final ball from him there is. He is doing the diagonal passes more often, because they are devastating even against whole teams as above.jibers wrote:Honestly, He is great but most of his final balls are the same. Barcelona do the same thing all the time. Messi does a diagonal ball to either an incoming forward or the fullback. It's the same thing. Xavi is still the superior passer in every departmet. Not knocking Messi down or saying it's easy but the runs are easier to read because they do it every game pretty much.
He does the lob also a lot.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by kiranr Thu 19 Jan 2012, 03:58
It is not just about the final ball. It is about the tactical ability to set up such a situation too. Messi does that very often.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Harmonica Thu 19 Jan 2012, 04:00
And how he attracts oppostion players on to himself.kiranr wrote:
It is not just about the final ball. It is about the tactical ability to set up such a situation too. Messi does that very often.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by FennecFox7 Thu 19 Jan 2012, 04:06
Get on clubs LM 
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by billionmillion Thu 19 Jan 2012, 04:10
messi does all kind of final passes, i dont think anyone in the world makes so colorful and different type final passes.
just look at this assist
just look at this assist
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Nirgall Thu 19 Jan 2012, 04:48
Don't know if its the best, but it's staggering for someone that was dismissed by some at his early years as "just a great dribbler"
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by BarrileteCosmico Thu 19 Jan 2012, 05:49
They have improved dramatically over the past year.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Ali Thu 19 Jan 2012, 07:45
Jiopsi just released his wank folder here
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Harmonica Thu 19 Jan 2012, 08:25
Barely scratched the 2011-2012 passing folder.ali8775 wrote:Jiopsi just released his wank folder here
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by guest7 Thu 19 Jan 2012, 08:27
I do agree with jibers that with the system built that way he has it easier to find his teammates etc/expects them to be there, however it requires some amount of passing skill to be able to execute it and Messi has shown he is capable.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Ali Thu 19 Jan 2012, 11:20
jiopsi wrote:Barely scratched the 2011-2012 passing folder.ali8775 wrote:Jiopsi just released his wank folder here
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by paperbackwriter Thu 19 Jan 2012, 11:35
Messi tries the final ball more than any other player in La Liga and also succeed with the most through balls per game. His accuracy is pretty bad actually thou. Which could be attributed to the fact that he tries harder balls maybe.
Messi have tried 80 through balls and succeeded with 27. 34 % success rate.
No other player in La Liga have even tried over 50 through balls this season.
For comparison: Ronaldo, Özil, Alonso and Di Maria (the AMs/"playmakers" of Real Madrid) have together tried 71 through balls this season. With 32 successful ones. 45 % success rate.
Hence you could make the case that "final balls" are for Messi what free kicks are for Ronaldo. He might succeed with the most, but he also tries the most.
Messi have tried 80 through balls and succeeded with 27. 34 % success rate.
No other player in La Liga have even tried over 50 through balls this season.
For comparison: Ronaldo, Özil, Alonso and Di Maria (the AMs/"playmakers" of Real Madrid) have together tried 71 through balls this season. With 32 successful ones. 45 % success rate.
Hence you could make the case that "final balls" are for Messi what free kicks are for Ronaldo. He might succeed with the most, but he also tries the most.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by kiranr Thu 19 Jan 2012, 11:38
Interesting stat there PBW.
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Re: "Messi has the best final ball in the world"
by Aensensen Thu 19 Jan 2012, 13:05
This is much more
pass from Messi to Abidal, eve tho it didn't end with a goal. Now compared to that last night's assist was meh - as was my point all the time while peoepl were screaming 'oh what a precise pass. Nobody can pass like that' (which is bullshit).Messi can pass like a BOSS, but yesterday was nothing special. And this has nothing to do with me criticising Messi or Barca, but me criticising our defence for failing yet again. Abidal had miles of open space and Messi had seen him running and had time to get rid of Xabi and simply pass the ball to open Abidal.
^This. By having 2 or three players on him, there is more space fore an on-running defenders to find space. Barca has trained that play very, very good.jiopsi wrote:And how he attracts oppostion players on to himself.kiranr wrote:
It is not just about the final ball. It is about the tactical ability to set up such a situation too. Messi does that very often.
EDIT: Oh, and Paperbackwriter - nice to see someone finally pulled off some stats. I personaly believe Messi is really good at passing, but I defo wouldn't call him a miracle. Just really good at passing.
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