Most completely decorated player/manager?

Same level competitions only counts as one.

Kenny Dalglish: 8

Scottish League
Scottish Cup
Scottish League cup
Football League first division
FA cup
football League Cup
european cup
european super cup

Beckenbaeur: 9

Bundesliga
DFB Cup
European Cup
UEFA Cup winners cup
Intercontinental Cup
FIFA World Cup
European Championship
Ligue 1
UEFA Cup

jiopsi wrote:Same level competitions only counts as one.

So basically you've created a completely arbitrary and made up system where you control the rules and guardiola somehow comes out on top for not apparent reason other than you say so?

alright then

Ferginator: 11

Scottish Premier League
Scottish Cup
Scottish League Cup
UEFA Cup winners cup
UEFA Super Cup
Premier League
FA Cup
League Cup
Champions League
Intercontinental Cup
Club World Cup

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:

jiopsi wrote:Same level competitions only counts as one.

So basically you've created a completely arbitrary and made up system where you control the rules and guardiola somehow comes out on top for not apparent reason other than you say so?

alright then

Well aren't you the smart one, I made the thread, about the most completetely decorated individual. If we would count different leagues, or multiple leagues of same kind and add those up, you could call it player/manager with most titles? You are more than welcome to make thread of that kind champ.

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:Ferginator: 11

Scottish Premier League
Scottish Cup
Scottish League Cup
UEFA Cup winners cup
UEFA Super Cup
Premier League
FA Cup
League Cup
Champions League
Intercontinental Cup
Club World Cup

6 as manager, 0 as player.

I didn't include the number of titles in any of my posts. Only the variety of titles.

Care to elaborate on where the hell you got the number 13 from for Guardiola?

Apparently the rules regarding repetition of competition that seems to apply to the other players/managers doesn't apply to Guardiola...

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:I didn't include the number of titles in any of my posts. Only the variety of titles.

Care to elaborate on where the hell you got the number 13 from for Guardiola?

Apparently the rules regarding repetition of competition that seems to apply to the other players/managers doesn't apply to Guardiola...

He has won all the highest, 6 different level, club competitions, as player and manager (only one with this feat that I know), also won Olympics gold medal as a player.

A lot of coaches has 6 different level managerial titles, but none of that I've seen has 7.

Franz Beckenbauer? World Cup as player, coach and administrator. ^^

Carlo Ancelotti 12, 6 as player, 6 as manager. Won also every club competition as player and manager. Only misses the Olympic gold that Guardiola has.

Ok, the conclusion most completely decorated players/managers:

Player/Manager Guardiola 13/20, Ancelotti 12/20
Player Henry/Cafu/Carlos/others 9/10
Manager many has 6/10

Surprised to see that there isn't greatly decorated club/national team managers out there.

Um... Franz Beckenbauer in detail (from Wikipedia as I'm lazy)

Club

Bayern Munich
Bundesliga – Winner: 1968–69, 1971–72, 1972–73, 1973–74
DFB Cup – Winner: 1965–66, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1970–71
European Cup – Winner: 1973–74, 1974–75, 1975–76
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup – Winner: 1966–67
Intercontinental Cup – Winner: 1976

Hamburg
Bundesliga – Winner: 1981–82

New York Cosmos
NASL Championship – Winner: 1977, 1978, 1980
Trans-Atlantic Cup Championships – Winner: 1980, 1983

International
FIFA World Cup – Winner: 1974
UEFA European Football Championship – Winner: 1972


Managerial

FIFA World Cup – Winner: 1990
French Ligue 1 – Winner: 1990–91
Bundesliga – Winner: 1993–94
UEFA Cup – Winner: 1995–96

Individual

FIFA Centennial Player and Football Personality Award 2004
Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award 2007
Ballon d'Or Winner: 1972, 1976
FIFA World Cup Young Player of the Tournament: 1966
German Footballer of the Year: 1966, 1968, 1974, 1976
NASL Most Valuable Player Award: 1977

Plus he was the guy who had the main responsibility for organising the World Cup 2006 in Germany.

^ Beckenbauer 7, 5 as player, 2 as manager.

Somehow I can't really follow that count of yours, I have to admit. But frankly, for me someone winning the World Cup as player and coach actually counts quite a lot more than all the club competitions. ^^

rwo power wrote:Somehow I can't really follow that count of yours, I have to admit. But frankly, for me someone winning the World Cup as player and coach actually counts quite a lot more than all the club competitions. ^^

Sure, but this was most completely decorated as, most of different level titles. Sure you could argue that others are more important than others, but this wasn't about it. In OP you can see the levels which you can win titles.

This is simply a stat tailor-made for Guardiola. I can understand most of your reasoning, but why do you disregard winning cups/leagues from different countries?

Isnt winning the EPL and winning La Liga a completely different achievement than winning only one of them?

stunt wrote:This is simply a stat tailor-made for Guardiola. I can understand most of your reasoning, but why do you disregard winning cups/leagues from different countries?

Isnt winning the EPL and winning La Liga a completely different achievement than winning only one of them?

Because it's, in theory, the same level of competitions.

Sure you could then differentiate example PL and La Liga, but would 2 La Liga = 2 PL or 1 La Liga + 1 PL? If yes, then it would drift again to the most titles won, which is different subject I think.

No one mentioned Miguel Munoz?

Player

Real Madrid

European Cup: 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Spanish League: 1953–54, 1954–55, 1956–57, 1957–58
Latin Cup: 1955, 1957

Manager

Real Madrid

European Cup: 1959–60, 1965–66
Intercontinental Cup: 1960
Spanish League: 1960–61, 1961–62, 1962–63, 1963–64, 1964–65, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1971–72
Spanish Cup: 1961–62, 1969–70, 1973–74

Spain

UEFA European Football Championship: Runner-up 1984

So winning 2 Portugese Leagues, 2 EPLs and 2 Serie As counts as 1, yet winning the Copa del Rey as a player and then as a manager counts 2.

Obviously tailoured so Pep can win and you can claim that 'Pep is the greatest footballing figure of all time' or something like that.

Saetablanca wrote:So winning 2 Portugese Leagues, 2 EPLs and 2 Serie As counts as 1, yet winning the Copa del Rey as a player and then as a manager counts 2.

Obviously tailoured so Pep can win and you can claim that 'Pep is the greatest footballing figure of all time' or something like that.

Yes, you are right. Just as Pep's 9 La Liga's as player and manager only counts as 2.

Saetablanca wrote:So winning 2 Portugese Leagues, 2 EPLs and 2 Serie As counts as 1, yet winning the Copa del Rey as a player and then as a manager counts 2.

Obviously tailoured so Pep can win and you can claim that 'Pep is the greatest footballing figure of all time' or something like that.

jiopsi is on my ignore list so I can't see his first post. But if thats what he's done then thats pretty much his mo

There have been alot better managers than Pep around.

Also

National Team

Argentina Argentina
Copa América: 1947

Club

Argentina River Plate
Primera División: 1945, 1947
South American Club Championship : 1948 (runner-up)
Colombia Millonarios
Colombian Championship: 1949, 1951, 1952,
Copa Colombia: 1953
Copa Bodas de Oro del Real Madrid: 1952
Pequeña Copa del Mundo de Clubes: 1953
Spain Real Madrid
Primera División: 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
Copa del Rey: 1962
European Cup: 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58, 1958–59, 1959–60
Intercontinental Cup: 1960
Pequeña Copa del Mundo de Clubes: 1956
Latin Cup: 1955, 1957

[edit] Individual honours

Argentine League Top Scorer
1947
Colombian League Top Scorer
1951, 1952
Pichichi Trophy
1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959
Ballon d'Or
1957, 1959
European Cup Top Scorer
1958, 1962
Spanish Player (Athlete) of the Year
1957, 1959, 1960, 1964
FIFA 100

Manager

Argentina Boca Juniors
Primera División: 1969
Copa Argentina: 1969
Argentina River Plate
Torneo Nacional: 1981
Spain Valencia
Primera División: 1970–71
Runners-up: 1971–72
Copa del Rey:
Runners-up: 1970–71, 1971–72
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1979–80
Segunda División: 1986–87
Spain Real Madrid
Primera División:
Runners-up: 1982–83, 1983–84
Copa del Rey:
Runners-up: 1982–83
Copa de la Liga:
Runners-up: 1982–83
European Cup Winners' Cup:
Runners-up: 1982–83
Supercopa de España: 1990

Jiopsi with his insecurities

Wait, seeing as Di Stefano won the Ballon d'Or, and it was only open to European players, means that he won it being considered as a Spaniard. So why dont they consider that when they say that only Luis Suarez of Barca was the only Spaniard to ever win the Ballon d'Or?

Saetablanca wrote:Wait, seeing as Di Stefano won the Ballon d'Or, and it was only open to European players, means that he won it being considered as a Spaniard. So why dont they consider that when they say that only Luis Suarez of Barca was the only Spaniard to ever win the Ballon d'Or?

Well, Di Stefano is usually considered as Argentinian first.

since guardiola has managed / played / won in mostly only one league , jiopsi's post makes sense since this will help him win