Re: Most completely decorated player/manager?

by Lord Hades Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:27 am

since guardiola has managed / played / won in mostly only one league , jiopsi's post makes sense since this will help him win Laughing

by S32TABLANCA Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:40 pm

jiopsi wrote:
Saetablanca wrote:Wait, seeing as Di Stefano won the Ballon d'Or, and it was only open to European players, means that he won it being considered as a Spaniard. So why dont they consider that when they say that only Luis Suarez of Barca was the only Spaniard to ever win the Ballon d'Or?
Well, Di Stefano is usually considered as Argentinian first.

Argentinians could not win the Ballon d'Or. Therefore, Di Stefano won it as a Spaniard. Therefore, two and not one Spaniards won the Ballon d'Or.

by Harmonica Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:02 pm

jiopsi wrote:
Saetablanca wrote:Wait, seeing as Di Stefano won the Ballon d'Or, and it was only open to European players, means that he won it being considered as a Spaniard. So why dont they consider that when they say that only Luis Suarez of Barca was the only Spaniard to ever win the Ballon d'Or?
Well, Di Stefano is usually considered as Argentinian first.

Argentinians could not win the Ballon d'Or. Therefore, Di Stefano won it as a Spaniard. Therefore, two and not one Spaniards won the Ballon d'Or.

Argentinian could win Ballon d'Or if he had Spanish citizenship and played in Europe.

by S32TABLANCA Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:10 pm

jiopsi wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Saetablanca wrote:Wait, seeing as Di Stefano won the Ballon d'Or, and it was only open to European players, means that he won it being considered as a Spaniard. So why dont they consider that when they say that only Luis Suarez of Barca was the only Spaniard to ever win the Ballon d'Or?
Well, Di Stefano is usually considered as Argentinian first.

Argentinians could not win the Ballon d'Or. Therefore, Di Stefano won it as a Spaniard. Therefore, two and not one Spaniards won the Ballon d'Or.
Argentinian could win Ballon d'Or if he had Spanish citizenship and played in Europe.

Your point?

by Harmonica Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:11 pm

Saetablanca wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Saetablanca wrote:Wait, seeing as Di Stefano won the Ballon d'Or, and it was only open to European players, means that he won it being considered as a Spaniard. So why dont they consider that when they say that only Luis Suarez of Barca was the only Spaniard to ever win the Ballon d'Or?
Well, Di Stefano is usually considered as Argentinian first.

Argentinians could not win the Ballon d'Or. Therefore, Di Stefano won it as a Spaniard. Therefore, two and not one Spaniards won the Ballon d'Or.
Argentinian could win Ballon d'Or if he had Spanish citizenship and played in Europe.

Your point?

In what?

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:59 pm

Saeta Di Stefano was Argentine... come on. So was Sivori. It doesn't matter if having a dual citizenship, if you ask both of them they would both answer that they consider themselves more Argentine than the other.

by S32TABLANCA Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:28 pm

I know Di Stefano is always considered more Argentine than Spanish, thats not something I am trying to dispute. However, if he won the Ballon d'Or thanks to him ALSO being 'Spanish', then IMO they should consider the awards won for Spain too. Its just a passing observation, forget it if youy want.