Re: Define diving

by Guest Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:28 am

Italians Dive? Hmm...

by pdolson Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:53 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Alright, so according to you guys, is RVP diving when he does the following:

RVP wrote:
"Sometimes when you are in the middle of an 'action' and you get a little push, and you know there's nothing more to take. Basically, the guy pushed you and finished the whole action. Then you're in the right
to show, in a way, to the referee that you've been pushed. Know what I mean?

"That's not really diving. It's just saying: 'Come on, he just pushed me, so I can't score now'. You sometimes make a little movement with your arms or with your body, yeah. But I don't think that's really cheating. I never have the intention to dive. Just to play honest football. I am against divers. It is just not honest, but it is difficult. But sometimes you are knocked off balance a bit and it looks a bit funny.

oh whatever rvp should shut it. a little unfair pushing won't ruin the game. you should never be thinking when to simulate during the play. the crap that ronaldo and alves does ruins the game way more, which is clear diving,

by harhar11 Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:09 am

imo there is a difference between "diving" and "acting"

this is diving

Sad

while this is acting

(apparently rm don't roll around if you would belive some madridistas)

by pdolson Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:27 am

diving and play acting are as bad each other. don't say one's worse than the other.

by uzonero Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:29 am

Imo, diving occurs when a player falls with little to no contact from an opposition player

by harhar11 Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:29 am

pdolson wrote:diving and play acting are as bad each other. don't say one's worse than the other.

Ofc they are as bad as each other, who has said anything else?

by Harmonica Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:40 am

by pdolson Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:44 am

harhar11 wrote:
pdolson wrote:diving and play acting are as bad each other. don't say one's worse than the other.

Ofc they are as bad as each other, who has said anything else?

just checking. you said imo there's a difference between diving and acting. i thought you also might have thought one's worser than the other. because i know somebody who thinks play acting is worse than diving.

by harhar11 Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:51 am

pdolson wrote:
harhar11 wrote:
pdolson wrote:diving and play acting are as bad each other. don't say one's worse than the other.

Ofc they are as bad as each other, who has said anything else?

just checking. you said imo there's a difference between diving and acting. i thought you also might have thought one's worser than the other. because i know somebody who thinks play acting is worse than diving.

I just said that they are different, that's all Wink

by Red Alert Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:10 pm

Howard We- I mean Berbagod. affraid

by The Verminator Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:47 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Alright, so according to you guys, is RVP diving when he does the following:

RVP wrote:
"Sometimes when you are in the middle of an 'action' and you get a little push, and you know there's nothing more to take. Basically, the guy pushed you and finished the whole action. Then you're in the right
to show, in a way, to the referee that you've been pushed. Know what I mean?

"That's not really diving. It's just saying: 'Come on, he just pushed me, so I can't score now'. You sometimes make a little movement with your arms or with your body, yeah. But I don't think that's really cheating. I never have the intention to dive. Just to play honest football. I am against divers. It is just not honest, but it is difficult. But sometimes you are knocked off balance a bit and it looks a bit funny.

He's my fav player but i don't exactly agree with him.
If someone pushes you a little bit and you can't score because of it, doesn't mean you should go down, because the push might have been a fair push, and you can't judge whether or not it wasn't fair, that's for the ref.

by The Franchise Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:01 pm

I understand when players, having felt contact, especially in the box, go down.

If you get fouled/pushed/tripped in the box and you dont fall down, the ref isnt going to give you a penalty. Simply put, if you dont end up on the floor, its not a pen in the eyes of the ref.

So, if your honest, try and stay on your feet when knocked off balance and because of that cant score, you aint getting anything.

If you feel the contact and know you aint getting the goal opportunity you would have otherwise, you go down.

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:39 pm

The Verminator wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Alright, so according to you guys, is RVP diving when he does the following:

RVP wrote:
"Sometimes when you are in the middle of an 'action' and you get a little push, and you know there's nothing more to take. Basically, the guy pushed you and finished the whole action. Then you're in the right
to show, in a way, to the referee that you've been pushed. Know what I mean?

"That's not really diving. It's just saying: 'Come on, he just pushed me, so I can't score now'. You sometimes make a little movement with your arms or with your body, yeah. But I don't think that's really cheating. I never have the intention to dive. Just to play honest football. I am against divers. It is just not honest, but it is difficult. But sometimes you are knocked off balance a bit and it looks a bit funny.

He's my fav player but i don't exactly agree with him.
If someone pushes you a little bit and you can't score because of it, doesn't mean you should go down, because the push might have been a fair push, and you can't judge whether or not it wasn't fair, that's for the ref.

But is it really 'cheating' to fall down to show the ref that you've been fouled on? There is no intent to gain an unfair advantage, but merely to show the ref that something is going on.

by The Verminator Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:42 pm

In that case it isn't IMO. But as i said earlier, what the player thinks is a foul, is not necessarily a foul, so if they go down because of what they think is a foul, and the ref gives him the free kick, even though it wasn't an actual foul, but he was fooled because the player went down, then that would be cheating, so they gotta try stay on their feet. It's not a foul just because they are still on their feet.

You get what im saying?

by KMD Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:57 pm

by punkfusion1992 Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:12 pm

The Verminator wrote:Diving in my opinion, is when there is not enough contact to send you down, but you go down anyway. Play acting, is sorta when you fall after the dive or a legal tackle, and you make a meal out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mydqu3IUpoU
If you watch the first dive, Mascherano dives after Adebayor just lightly touches him. That's the dive. Then when Mascherano goes down, he clutches his face, pretending to be in pain.

You can watch the rest of the video for fun

a really good friend of myne made that video actually
school friend in fact....
we were amazingly pisst at the way Barca acted and he made that

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