Re: Picking an All-time World XI

by shamr9pato Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:49 pm

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by jibers Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:49 pm

Crimson wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Zealous wrote:When all of Barca's current legends retire/leave whatever it'll be interesting to see if Busquets continues to be "one of the best midfielder's of all time".

Its not about "best midfielders of all time" though is it.

Its about a team that actually functions. I assume that was Jibbers idea.

yup and mine

It seems alot of these teams posted are simply the best ever players chucked together with no real link, majority of which will never work

Thank you

to OP Ronaldinho and Zidanes as CM Laughing

by Guest Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:52 pm

I want see my XI v Jibers XI

hmmmmmmm

by Ganso Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:57 pm

----------------Iker-----------------
Abate(Cafu)--Beck---Maldini-RC3
------Xavi----------Vieira------------
-Fatnaldo-----Dinho---------Messi
---------------Pele----------------

lol at Busquets btw,sorry jibers but putting him over some other legends is a bit too much

by jibers Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:00 pm

Ganso wrote:----------------Iker-----------------
Abate(Cafu)--Beck---Maldini-RC3
------Xavi----------Vieira------------
-Fatnaldo-----Dinho---------Messi
---------------Pele----------------

lol at Busquets btw,sorry jibers but putting him over some other legends is a bit too much

Dude you arent getting the point. This would be team I would create if I wanted to have a very functional like Barcelona team. Tell me who should replace Busquets, please...give me names. As Dani has already pointed out the flaws using Redondo and Makelele. I would say Pep, but Busquets is a much better player for what I require, and he is a better tackler, Pep would be better if I needed a great passing range as he usually started attacking moves andf made killer passes from the back, but I have the Kaiser for that.

by Doc Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:02 pm

I still feel my team would pawn all others...except Old man Crims own...

by Ganso Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:03 pm

jibers wrote:
Ganso wrote:----------------Iker-----------------
Abate(Cafu)--Beck---Maldini-RC3
------Xavi----------Vieira------------
-Fatnaldo-----Dinho---------Messi
---------------Pele----------------

lol at Busquets btw,sorry jibers but putting him over some other legends is a bit too much

Dude you arent getting the point. This would be team I would create if I wanted to have a very functional like Barcelona team. Tell me who should replace Busquets, please...give me names. As Dani has already pointed out the flaws using Redondo and Makelele. I would say Pep, but Busquets is a much better player for what I require, and he is a better tackler, Pep would be better if I needed a great passing range as he usually started attacking moves andf made killer passes from the back, but I have the Kaiser for that.

Vieira?Falcao? maybe even Socrates could have that Busi role

by jibers Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:05 pm

Ganso wrote:
jibers wrote:
Ganso wrote:----------------Iker-----------------
Abate(Cafu)--Beck---Maldini-RC3
------Xavi----------Vieira------------
-Fatnaldo-----Dinho---------Messi
---------------Pele----------------

lol at Busquets btw,sorry jibers but putting him over some other legends is a bit too much

Dude you arent getting the point. This would be team I would create if I wanted to have a very functional like Barcelona team. Tell me who should replace Busquets, please...give me names. As Dani has already pointed out the flaws using Redondo and Makelele. I would say Pep, but Busquets is a much better player for what I require, and he is a better tackler, Pep would be better if I needed a great passing range as he usually started attacking moves andf made killer passes from the back, but I have the Kaiser for that.
Vieira?

Viera wasn't a hiolding MF, he was a b2b Cm. He didnt just sit in front of the back four and protect them, why would I want a player like that as my Anchor?

by Doc Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:06 pm

Redondo and Makalele can work. What can't work is Redondo and Maka alone in the midfield. Most midfields have 3 players so no matter how awesome those 2 are, they'll be overrun easily...

by Zealous Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:07 pm

So no player in the history of the game can do what Biscuits does.

Today I learned..

by Zealous Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:08 pm

Doc wrote:I still feel my team would pawn all others...except Old man Crims own...

Have you seen my team? Eats yours for breakfast :bow:

by guest7 Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:09 pm

Busquets over Redondo?

What? Anyone who saw the Man U vs Real Madrid game where he completly bossed Man Us midfield knows the man was as great defender as a attacker, and could be disciplined enough to stay further back and not commit too much in to attacks.

Fergie himself admitted that was one of the best defensive showings he has ever seen ffs

by jibers Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:09 pm

Zealous wrote:So no player in the history of the game can do what Biscuits does.

Today I learned..

Nope I would just rather pick Busquets seeing as I want the job to be done EXACTLY the way he is doing it at Barcelona. What better person than him?

by Guest Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:11 pm

jibers wrote:
Zealous wrote:So no player in the history of the game can do what Biscuits does.

Today I learned..

Nope I would just rather pick Busquets seeing as I want the job to be done EXACTLY the way he is doing it at Barcelona. What better person than him?

Pirri could do the job imo, but I see your reasoning over Biscuits

by jibers Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:11 pm

Se7en wrote:Busquets over Redondo?

What? Anyone who saw the Man U vs Real Madrid game where he completly bossed Man Us midfield knows the man was as great defender as a attacker, and could be disciplined enough to stay further back and not commit too much in to attacks.

Fergie himself admitted that was one of the best defensive showings he has ever seen ffs

The Franchise wrote:Well sure, I see the argument for it being a bit too early for that and him not doing enough to warrant it.

However, if you want a great ball playing holding midfielder on your team, its quite logical.

The only other options you could go with are probably Redondo and Matthaus, both of whom are far more vertical than Busquets and drove forward with the ball way more than Busquets, which is not something everyone wants when you go the attacking players ahead of them.

by Doc Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:11 pm

Zealous wrote:
--------------------------------Yashin-----------------------
Carlos Alberto-------Hierro-------Baresi-------Maldini--
--------------Redondo----Matthaus----Rivelino---------
-------------------------------Zico---------------------------
----------------Puskas---------------Di Stefano----------

bench: Van Basten, Batistuta, Cafu, Casillas, Zidane, Camacho, Butragueño

Doc wrote:GK: Casillas (because I can...idiots)
SW: Sammer
CB: Thuram
CB: Nesta
LWB: Roberto Carlos
RWB: Cafu
CM: Redondo
CM: Mauro Silva
CM: Edgar Davids
AM: Francesco Totti
CF: Gabriel Batistuta

Subs: Lionel Messi, Dennis Bergkamp, Paul Schoes, Roy Keane, Hierro, Dennis Irwin, Canizares

Ok, I must admit, that team MAY cause some issues. Probably the only thing my team has over yours is real width. And I'll be hoping Zico and Di Stefano fall out...

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:14 pm

Massive LOL @ this forum sometimes :facepalm:

Now i dont agree with Jibers choice of Busquets but its clear why he did it.

Also LOL @ people laughing at Busquets choice yet choose people that retired or were passed it before they were born

by Guest Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:15 pm

Doc wrote:I still feel my team would pawn all others...except Old man Crims own...

Haven't really seen a team yet that I would feel would dominate mine

Still waiting, I do like Jibers team though

by guest7 Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:17 pm

jibers wrote:
Se7en wrote:Busquets over Redondo?

What? Anyone who saw the Man U vs Real Madrid game where he completly bossed Man Us midfield knows the man was as great defender as a attacker, and could be disciplined enough to stay further back and not commit too much in to attacks.

Fergie himself admitted that was one of the best defensive showings he has ever seen ffs

The Franchise wrote:Well sure, I see the argument for it being a bit too early for that and him not doing enough to warrant it.

However, if you want a great ball playing holding midfielder on your team, its quite logical.

The only other options you could go with are probably Redondo and Matthaus, both of whom are far more vertical than Busquets and drove forward with the ball way more than Busquets, which is not something everyone wants when you go the attacking players ahead of them.

Doesn't mean much. Are you telling me Busuqets was a better holding mid than Redondo? I dare to say no. I'm not even afraid of saying Redondo was a better DM than Busquets was, in terms of defending. Even attacking ffs.

He was one of these rare players that only comes once in a century that can defend extremly well and still manage to attack without forgetting his defensive duties.

Still can't believe the Busquets choice. Busquets is great, but he has in noway surpassed Mattheus or Redondo.

by Le Samourai Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:20 pm

Rijkaard perhaps.

Albeit I've proably cumulatively watched him play less than 3 hours lol.

by jibers Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:21 pm

Se7en wrote:
jibers wrote:
Se7en wrote:Busquets over Redondo?

What? Anyone who saw the Man U vs Real Madrid game where he completly bossed Man Us midfield knows the man was as great defender as a attacker, and could be disciplined enough to stay further back and not commit too much in to attacks.

Fergie himself admitted that was one of the best defensive showings he has ever seen ffs

The Franchise wrote:Well sure, I see the argument for it being a bit too early for that and him not doing enough to warrant it.

However, if you want a great ball playing holding midfielder on your team, its quite logical.

The only other options you could go with are probably Redondo and Matthaus, both of whom are far more vertical than Busquets and drove forward with the ball way more than Busquets, which is not something everyone wants when you go the attacking players ahead of them.

Doesn't mean much. Are you telling me Busuqets was a better holding mid than Redondo? I dare to say no. I'm not even afraid of saying Redondo was a better DM than Busquets was, in terms of defending. Even attacking ffs.

He was one of these rare players that only comes once in a century that can defend extremly well and still manage to attack without forgetting his defensive duties.

Still can't believe the Busquets choice. Busquets is great, but he has in noway surpassed Mattheus or Redondo.

This is not about X>Y if not I would have put Maradona in my team ffs. I tred toi make a functional team, Redondo used to bomb forward and support attacks a lot of the time, I thought about putting him there, but I just feel he is too good for the role that Busquets does. I want this team to play very similar football to Barcelona, Busquets has done the job so far, Redondo never played in any team like Barcelona, therefore, Busquets.

by Guest Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:23 pm

Jibers you see my above?

by Zealous Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:27 pm

My team would smash Crimson's team.

by jibers Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:28 pm

Crimson wrote:Jibers you see my above?

Yea saw Pirri. hmmm...you have got a very solid point. And how could I forget Rijkaard :facepalm:

He did a nearly identical jiob for Saachis Milan as well, albeit he usually played much longer balls. Yea Rijkaard or Pirri could go in there I suppose.

by Doc Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:28 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Massive LOL @ this forum sometimes

Now i dont agree with Jibers choice of Busquets but its clear why he did it.

Also LOL @ people laughing at Busquets choice yet choose people that retired or were passed it before they were born

The choice of Busquets is controversial because it gives the impression that he is "______ of all time" sort of player. The man is an excellent player and Jibers (after 2 pages) explained exactly why he wants him there. Totally understandable stuff but I do feel they are other players that can do what Busquets does equally and possibly better.

As for the 2nd part of the statement, the thread title is "All time" not what player you saw. I don't think old man Crims was alive to see Pirri play but I assure you he has seen enough of him through tapes (or time portal) to know he is worthy of praise. Such a thinking maybe applied to others here...

by Zealous Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:29 pm

Se7en wrote:Busquets over Redondo?

What? Anyone who saw the Man U vs Real Madrid game where he completly bossed Man Us midfield knows the man was as great defender as a attacker, and could be disciplined enough to stay further back and not commit too much in to attacks.

Fergie himself admitted that was one of the best defensive showings he has ever seen ffs

Redodno was very vertical in his play. Biscuits more horizontal.

I'd actually go with Sammer over Biscuits.

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