Why does Mancini struggle so bad in the champions league

I find his inability to do well in Europe baffling, he is clearly a good manager. He won the league with City, won a few scudetto's with inter but struggled badly in Europe despite always having one of the strongest teams in the competition at his disposal

bcuz he is obsessed with playing 2 up top.

You can't do that all the time in CL.

It's funny how 2 yrs ago, he was labeled as a defensive manager who'd play 3 DMs in the league...and now in CL and away from home, he plays 2 up top.

From one extreme to the other

No, he's an above average manager.

That he has an insanely talented team and unlimited funds shields the truth. Don't let that PL win fool you, because PL teams aren't what they used to be.

Consistent loses in the CL and even Europa league show you the real side.

You could put it down to the team hasn't gelled yet, no CL experience, blah, blah. Lesser teams have done much more with available resources, and it is not an excuse for a team of the supposed caliber they think they are.

City lack grit and steel

Sushi Master wrote:No, he's an above average manager.

That he has an insanely talented team and unlimited funds shields the truth. Don't let that PL win fool you, because PL teams aren't what they used to be.

Consistent loses in the CL and even Europa league show you the real side.

You could put it down to the team hasn't gelled yet, no CL experience, blah, blah. Lesser teams have done much more with available resources, and it is not an excuse for a team of the supposed caliber they think they are.

That's harsh.You don't hit Fergie for 6 at old trafford by being average

gunnerlistick wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:No, he's an above average manager.

That he has an insanely talented team and unlimited funds shields the truth. Don't let that PL win fool you, because PL teams aren't what they used to be.

Consistent loses in the CL and even Europa league show you the real side.

You could put it down to the team hasn't gelled yet, no CL experience, blah, blah. Lesser teams have done much more with available resources, and it is not an excuse for a team of the supposed caliber they think they are.

That's harsh.You don't hit Fergie for 6 at old trafford by being average

I could be the manager of City and they would still occasionally do miracles with that squad.
When you got that much quality in your team then miracles like that are bound to happen.
Average manager

If he has a team like Bayern Munich he will be winning champions league matches, look at city squad, apart from Toure, Aguero, Tevez, Silva and Dzeko is there any other player you can mention there that is not highly over-rated.


His team is weak and he needs to be given more resources to buy new players, he hasn't received enough money that will allow him win CPL

I think he should buy more strikers in January

Why Mancini struggles? Easy.

• Contrary to popular belief EPL is not the league with the best quality teams in Europe. So being EPL champions doesn't mean you can take over Europe. Bundesliga is certainly catching up after years of development from elementary level and they're starting to see the fruit of those years while Italy is going downhill. Spain has the best footballing culture right now and it truly is booming, despite the disgracefully shared TV rights which has made La Liga uncompetitive unlike its glory days just more than a decade ago.
  
  
• What goes around comes around. You can sign the best players using money, but in the end you got a bunch of mercenaries. City players truly play with no heart, they don't have the hunger to win, every 50-50 chance goes to the opposition. And Mancini is no Mourinho in terms of man management. The only match I ever saw them play with grit was against United last season.

danyjr wrote:
Contrary to popular belief EPL is not the league with the best quality teams in Europe. So being EPL champions doesn't mean you can take over Europe.

Agreed, finishing 6th in the EPL means you can take over europe

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:Agreed, finishing 6th in the EPL means you can take over europe

No one said you can't. With the luck Chelsea had last season you could do anything. Monaco made it to Champions League final some years ago, Greece won the Euros. That is the beauty of football.

No offence to Chelsea fans but they edged every match since the knockout stage, mostly with luck but credit to their defence which was fantastic in all honesty. But we saw how they got tormented in UEFA Supercup.

luck? umad?

#PTBFTW

danyjr wrote:Why Mancini struggles? Easy.

• Contrary to popular belief EPL is not the league with the best quality teams in Europe. So being EPL champions doesn't mean you can take over Europe. Bundesliga is certainly catching up after years of development from elementary level and they're starting to see the fruit of those years while Italy is going downhill. Spain has the best footballing culture right now and it truly is booming, despite the disgracefully shared TV rights which has made La Liga uncompetitive unlike its glory days just more than a decade ago.
  
  
• What goes around comes around. You can sign the best players using money, but in the end you got a bunch of mercenaries. City players truly play with no heart, they don't have the hunger to win, every 50-50 chance goes to the opposition. And Mancini is no Mourinho in terms of man management. The only match I ever saw them play with grit was against United last season.

Mancini struggles because EPL isn't the league with the most quality?
Is this real life or just a desperate ploy to downplay the quality that is the EPL?

Anyways, I think that this being an away game pretty much sums it up. Mancini isn't a bad manager by any means but he has always lacked in the champions league despite having teams of pure quality

He has always been a "good" manager, just not a "great" manager. There is no reason with his unlimited resources that he shouldn't be getting City to the semi-finals of the champions league every year, but even with exceptional talent an average manager leads to average results.

The other obvious answer is that I could count on one hand how many of the players on City actually care about the club.

Mancini has far too much talent in his squad that he can exploit other teams in the PL, but he is no great tactician that can dominate games in the Champions League. He's always been a CL flop.

Whilst he gets all the plaudits for last years PL win, SAF challenged him all the way with an inferior team and if it wasn't for individual mistakes, United would of won the league.

Go back to his Inter days and all their rivals were sitting in the Serie B...

I think he's one of the best managers in the world. In terms of managing personalities and pushing his players I think there's an argument for his being right near the very top with Ferguson and Mou.

But tactically (to an even greater degree than the two above) he's mediocre.

Mourinho is definitely not tactically limited.

ynwa wrote:Mourinho is definitely not tactically limited.

Law of diminishing returns hits Mourinhio hard. The more talent he has the less he understands how to put that talent in a position to succeed.

gunnerlistick wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:No, he's an above average manager.

That he has an insanely talented team and unlimited funds shields the truth. Don't let that PL win fool you, because PL teams aren't what they used to be.

Consistent loses in the CL and even Europa league show you the real side.

You could put it down to the team hasn't gelled yet, no CL experience, blah, blah. Lesser teams have done much more with available resources, and it is not an excuse for a team of the supposed caliber they think they are.

That's harsh.You don't hit Fergie for 6 at old trafford by being average

hitting past six vs a piss poor United, 1man down isnt that hard especially when you have world class team.

Mancini is not a tactically great manager, as someone said an above manager, he is just blessed to have acquired a world class sqaud with great individuals like David Silva, Aguero, Yaya, Dzeko(super sub), Kompany, Hart etc. And at Inter he was in a weak league deprived of any strong competition and having a brilliant Ibra and a solid midfield. Plus this season some of his top players like Yaya and Kompany have been very inconsistent.
Just watch a match without Silva or an off-form Silva, they look so unbalanced and clueless. Yaya for his explosive greatness looks clueless without a calm distributor guiding him, like he always does with Ivory Coast.

Le Samourai wrote:

ynwa wrote:Mourinho is definitely not tactically limited.

Law of diminishing returns hits Mourinhio hard. The more talent he has the less he understands how to put that talent in a position to succeed.

There is no way you can win 3 Champion League's being tactically limited, mate. Would be knee-jerk to say that.

ynwa wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:

ynwa wrote:Mourinho is definitely not tactically limited.

Law of diminishing returns hits Mourinhio hard. The more talent he has the less he understands how to put that talent in a position to succeed.

There is no way you can win 3 Champion League's being tactically limited, mate. Would be knee-jerk to say that.

Madrid fans you know, they have high standards.

ynwa wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:

ynwa wrote:Mourinho is definitely not tactically limited.

Law of diminishing returns hits Mourinhio hard. The more talent he has the less he understands how to put that talent in a position to succeed.

There is no way you can win 3 Champion League's being tactically limited, mate. Would be knee-jerk to say that.

Nice one!

But why are they losing this year's UCL??? i guess it's still a competition where everyone have a shot on the title

CrazyBoy wrote:

ynwa wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:

ynwa wrote:Mourinho is definitely not tactically limited.

Law of diminishing returns hits Mourinhio hard. The more talent he has the less he understands how to put that talent in a position to succeed.

There is no way you can win 3 Champion League's being tactically limited, mate. Would be knee-jerk to say that.

Madrid fans you know, they have high standards.

Don't generalize. Very few Madrid fans share this view .

@Ynwa.

It's just something I've come to the conclusion to watching him repeat his own mistakes over and over again because he doesn't like to diverge from a very stoic , rigid gameplan that he prefers in particular situations.

That in a sense is what limited means, failure to adapt to maximize your talent and to exploit situations.

He has mastered various concepts and that along with squads built to emphasize those concepts have lead to success and great teams along the way, but presented with a different scenario the all too untimely relapse into the same structures which brought him success in the past limits what we can actually do as a team....potentially.

Le Samourai wrote:@Ynwa.

It's just something I've come to the conclusion to watching him repeat his own mistakes over and over again because he doesn't like to diverge from a very stoic , rigid gameplan that he prefers in particular situations.

That in a sense is what limited means, failure to adapt to maximize your talent and to exploit situations.

He has mastered various concepts and that along with squads built to emphasize those concepts have lead to success and great teams along the way, but presented with a different scenario the all too untimely relapse into the same structures which brought him success in the past limits what we can actually do as a team....potentially.

You've obviously seen me him more than I have as I've been restricted to watching Madrid so I can't really argue with no evidence... although I just don't understand how somebody who is one of the better managers in the world - one of few to win the competition 3 times can do it with limited tactical awareness.

He's obviously going to favour the strategies that brought him success more frequently, but surely you can't deny that he sets up his team differently when he vses different opposition to do his utmost to get the result needed.

Above average manageR

Just about managed to win the pl from the hands of vastly inferior united squad. had it easy in serie a with all the other teams in transition etc etc

always flopped in europe