La Liga TV rights discrepancies

izzy26 wrote:Barca and Real have better management styles and are able to actually know the fiances of their clubs.

How do you think their management is any better?

Both have infinite amounts of money. They make a mistake (and they have done plenty) TV rights clears it up. Heck, even shirt sales become a factor in clearing their debts. But I'm assuming they can't have the latter without TV rights.

Money is power gentlemen. It's the reason why we can't sustain ourselves next to you guys. And it's also the reason why you guys sustain yourselves at the top, no matter how bad your management.

spain is messed up

Lord Hispano wrote:

izzy26 wrote:Barca and Real have better management styles and are able to actually know the fiances of their clubs.

How do you think their management is any better?

Both have infinite amounts of money. They make a mistake (and they have done plenty) TV rights clears it up. Heck, even shirt sales become a factor in clearing their debts. But I'm assuming they can't have the latter without TV rights.

Money is power gentlemen. It's the reason why we can't sustain ourselves next to you guys. And it's also the reason why you guys sustain yourselves at the top, no matter how bad your management.

Exactly this.

If other clubs make financial mistakes they are completely doomed because they dont have TV money rectify it basically the major source of income for most clubs.

Does Laliga clubs mismanage financially - Yes

Should they sort out their mess through proper management - Yes

Does financial mess and the TV revenue system mutually exclusive - Yes

Does this financial mess mean they shouldnt be given their share of money until financial mess is sorted ?

Fecking NO.Its their money they have the right to have a proper share of the TV revenue.No one should use any excuse to deny these clubs their rightful share of money.

BeautifulGame wrote:
Exactly this.

If other clubs make financial mistakes they are completely doomed because they dont have TV money rectify it basically the major source of income for most clubs.

Does Laliga clubs mismanage financially - Yes

Should they sort out their mess through proper management - Yes

Does financial mess and the TV revenue system mutually exclusive - Yes

Does this financial mess mean they shouldnt be given their share of money until financial mess is sorted ?

Fecking NO.Its their money they have the right to have a proper share of the TV revenue.No one should use any excuse to deny these clubs their rightful share of money.

OK, let's put an end to this right now:

Do you know the debt of any club in La Liga?
Do you know how much the T.V. money will give clubs?
Do you know all the players wages and Bonuses?
Do you know any of their marketing stratergies?
Do you know any of their finacial history?

Stop trying to act as if the T.V. money will change La Liga teams forever. I never said they don't deserve it and yes it could help in the short term, but this is a LONG-TERM problem.
It is a blatent cover up to hide their finacial fallacies, and people are falling for it.

Honestly, do you really think that the T.V. money is La Ligas saviour?

No one ever said this, there main argument is that it will help fix the problem, whatever the clubs do with the money afterward (use it wisely or mismanage it) is their problem, but for every two clubs that squander the money away, at least one club will invest it wisely. Yes, T.V money is not the sole savior, and good management is the long term solution. But the extra push T.V money gives might be all what some clubs need to get back in track.

PML teams are in debt as well (although some teams are carrying most of that debt), but the smaller clubs are able to survive thanks to equal distribution.

read this article for insight
ttp://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/19/la-liga-debt-passes-three-billion


unfortunately, the exact debt of each club is a closely guarded secret and I have not intrest in unearthing it.

izzy26 wrote:

Stop trying to act as if the T.V. money will change La Liga teams forever. I never said they don't deserve it and yes it could help in the short term, but this is a LONG-TERM problem.
It is a blatent cover up to hide their finacial fallacies, and people are falling for it.

Honestly, do you really think that the T.V. money is La Ligas saviour?

Will T.V. money change Laliga forever?No.But that will help them sort out their mess to some extent.So why not give the clubs the money they deserve?

This will all change (in Italy and in Spain) when individual negotiations for TV rights deal are abolished...

TV deal is most definitely the reason why there is such a disparity in La Liga. In American sports, the NFL pools its media rights and, therefore, you have great parody in the league and the largest number of fans in all of the sports there... with the way the draft is set up and the revenue sharing, every team has a chance to compete. On the other extreme, baseball does not have a good pooling scheme and you have teams in major media markets having a huge financial advantage. Although baseball has a draft, it's much more of an inexact science than football. Combine the two... and you have the yankees, phil's and red sox dominating as they outbid everyone in purchasing players. But of course, it's the least popular of the major sports in the US. The NBA is in the middle of these two where you have pooled national media rights but not local rights. Draft method is the driver of some parody.

If La Liga wants a more competitive league, it needs to a) have better TV deals in place and b) share revenues throughout the league.

Otherwise, you can only hope for a limitless pockets owner to jump in and help a team become competitive.

Slightly OT, but is baseball really the least popular out of American football, basketball and baseball? Interesting!

I always thought it was the most popular, with basketball and American football only popular during the Super Bowl (especially because the latter is a bit of a fail-sport lol)...

I was forced to watch the superbowl this year, but before that, I wouldn't have been able to give you the name of a single team, whereas most foreigners know quite a lot of basketball and baseball teams in the US... But that might indeed be part of their different drafts/marketing then.

Yeah... if i were to rank the sports in the US by popularity, it would be:
NFL (National Football League) * NBA (National Basketball Association) * MLB (Major League Baseball) * NCAA football (college football) * NCAA basketball (college basketball) * NASCAR (stock car racing) * NHL (National Hockey League) * MLS (Major League Soccer)

Ultimate Fighting and Poker are ones i don't know how quite to rank. They're not really sports to me, but are hugely popular.

Who pulls the viewers in the EPL?

Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man.United (even Man.City and Tottenham).

Who pulls the viewers in La Liga?

Real Madrid, Barcelona......

Which star players are there in the EPL with international presence and marketability?

Rooney, Nani, Tevez, Torres, Fabregas, Bale, Lampard, Suarez, Silva etc. etc.

Which star players are available in La Liga?

CR7, Kaka, Iker, Alonso, Ozil, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Masch, Villa, ...eh...Aguero?....Forlan?

Real Madrid and Farca aren't in it for charity...

Why are Barca and Real the only teams able to sign these players? The system is skewed so that all the money funnels to them. It's the chicken and egg argument.

Foreign ownership...

The EPL is where it is today because of foreign investments.

There are serious talks going on about bringing the time for games down, for more interesting viewing schedules.

If Madrid and Barcelona are going to negotiate for 50 percent higher tv right revenues over the whole spectrum (where they stay at their current amount), they need to make sure there is an extra pull to watch la liga, which with the lack of REAL competitiveness currently, is hard to achieve. Internationally, Spanish football is probably more popular than ever, but I can't see too much expansion if they don't make the league overall to a more competitive level, where matches like Valencia-Villarreal are also interesting for the larger public, not just the Classicos.

But it is a vicious circle really. Although clubs like Madrid and Barcelona don't really rely on tv rights income only, which could a re-draft pretty ineffective anyway.

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:There are serious talks going on about bringing the time for games down, for more interesting viewing schedules.

You mean, play matches earlier on the day? That would be quite smart. 10 o clock kick off is quite absurd, you'd get more kids watching etc.

Of course TV money is not responsible for a two horse race thing in la liga, but it adds to it. If team mismanages its finances it does not mean they should not get what they deserve. At the end they will mismanage their money, fail, bankrupt, and next team from lower end that shows better managing skills gets more money as it goes higher on the table. Some may learn it hard way. That's life. But the TV money in la liga is ridiculous. Also, it is ridiculous not to give money someone deserves because they don't know what to do with it.

It is also stupid to think that teams like Valencia would have not benefited from more money. They sold all their stars ffs. It is their own fault, but had they some 20-30 mill more, i bet they would have kept at least one of their stars. And sometimes that means a lot.

Take of Iker, Ozil and CR7 from RM or Xavi, Messi and Inieseta from Barca and replace them with average players. How would la liga points look like at the end of the season?


Whether a team that went high in a table has a good financial management or not should not be a benchmark for money it gets. IMHO it should be the table position last year, or last 2-3-5 years. It should be regulated by law and that's it.

You guys do realize that the only reason the NFL is a money making monster... way ahead as #1 in the US... is that the top franchises agreed to invest in the league overall. If you have a stronger league = more quality teams + more interesting games + more spectators, etc.

They made a 1 billion pie into a 100 billion pie. So in the end, they were better off owning less of a much bigger deal.

Of course, Madrid and Barca have no incentive to do this so far. It's really up to the Spanish federation to force it down their throats... of course, they're the most inept bunch at the league office.

So for now, you just have to hope for some deep pocket owner to come in. And that's not really sustainable if revenues don't catch up to their expenses. It will be just a fling.

Also, why do you think the NY Yankees are so rich? 90% is due to them creating their own TV network. They can just outspend anyone 10x because of that.

The group of La Liga clubs pushing Real Madrid and Barcelona to agree a more equitable distribution of income from television rights has swelled to 13 and is set to expand further, Sevilla President Jose Maria del Nido said on Friday.

The outspoken Del Nido has been one of the main driving forces behind the effort to persuade Real and Barca to adopt a system of collective bargaining and income sharing for TV rights similar to those used in other major European leagues.

Thanks to their colossal individual deals with broadcasters, Spain's big two maintain a stranglehold over TV revenue which helps make them the world's richest clubs by income and they can buy and pay the best players while their Spanish peers are left trailing far behind.

Del Nido, detailing the outcome of a meeting of Spain's professional soccer league (LFP) in Madrid on Thursday evening, said the group of clubs pushing for change had grown from the original five or six to 13 out of the 20 clubs in the top flight (primera division).

"The message is feeding through because we started with five or six clubs and now the situation is changing drastically," he told reporters.

"We have made a great deal of progress, more than we expected, and the number of clubs will continue to increase, to 15 or 16," he added.

"That will mean that we will have to agree a distribution of TV (cash) that is not only fair but also equitable."

Analysts have long argued that Spain needs to adopt collective bargaining or more clubs will follow Real Zaragoza, Real Betis, Racing Santander and others into administration.

However, Real and Barca have shown little sign they are prepared to give up their dominant position and a recent collective deal struck by the English Premier League, which will boost revenue by 70 percent over three years, makes it even less likely they will accept change, the analysts have said.

izzy wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:Its disgusting tbh.

Why cant all other clubs just refuse to play unless TV money is fairly distributed?

Easy answer really.

Because clubs in La Liga are poorly managed fiancially and are using the T.V. money as an excuse of why they are doing so poorly fiancially.

Take a look at recently relegated Deportivo and see the problems they are in because of poor management.

This is another ridiculous point. Barca has been financially mis-management in a way with losses for years but they have received sporting success.

Madrid in 1 year when Perez arrived made huge losses & that was financial mis-management too.

The question is not whether Financial Management has occured. TV MONEY is definitely not the only reason for Pathetic Economic Management. If they receive more money they will spend more & in an unplanned manner & bring problems too.

The issue is equitable distribution & money in the hands of all which creates a level playing field & allows smaller teams to compete with Madrid & Barca

How has Barca been mismanaged for years? In the past 9 years we've only had losses for 2, and this year we announced record profits. Given that something like 70% of football clubs in Europe operate at a loss this is pretty good.

La Liga clubs should unionize and force Madrid and Barca to either accept a collective deal or get out.

Is this just for Spanish TV rights or TV for the whole World?

Both.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:How has Barca been mismanaged for years? In the past 9 years we've only had losses for 2, and this year we announced record profits. Given that something like 70% of football clubs in Europe operate at a loss this is pretty good.

La Liga clubs should unionize and force Madrid and Barca to either accept a collective deal or get out.

Really??? Last year after winning CHL & LA Liga you quoted 20M losses. And you ahve like 300-400M debt. You are sinking in depth & the day when sporting success leaves you,you will sell your club or go the Valencia way.

How on earth you made 300M+ debt in 2 years only considering bar this year the last 2 years you made 20-40M+ losses???