Re: The Official Arsenal Winter Transfers/Rumours Thread

[The Franchise]

I think the difference is Arsenal usually dont give such wages to that level of player. Walcott is good, dont get me wrong, but 90 something is no joke. Especially as Arsenal have come across as reluctant to do that.

That being said, you did the right thing overall probably.

[Sina]

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[Artilleristen]

Stop it. Just freaking stop it.

Leg shattered in two places. Foot hanging by his freaking sock.

Needs more than 8 - 9 months to get back onto the pitch, to heal the muscle and bone.

Forget that, his mental state is also *bleep*. Even if he makes it on the pitch, he will think twice before jumping into a tackle, or will have his eye in two places as he runs with the ball.

To top that off, he misses out on nearly 9 months of training. 9 months of learning.

So stop it.

Oh and to top that off, when he did come back, he was playing pretty well till he burned himself out.

See (not so) old videos of Ramsey, that is the man we signed. This guy is slowly making his way up. You have to be blind to not see it.

Diaby faced the same thing and is unable to stand on his own two feet without falling apart, Eduardo was never the same player again after that injury, it took him ages to find his form, out of which he had to move to a lesser league to even find that form (though change in formation was also the problem).

And to top that off, his position is not a winger. Lets get that clear.

He.

Is.

Not.

A.

Winger.

Let us see Jack play in that role and see how well he does.

The fact the he is playing on the wings means that AW thinks he isn't fit to play his so called natural position, and he came back and played in october of the same year, these are the facts whether you want to look at them or not.

So, because he isnt fir to play his so called natural position, you play him in a completely different role, which requires a different set of skills and mindset, a role that isnt even in his more comfortable section of the pitch.

Bri.lli.ant.

If he isnt good enough to play his position, then why the *bleep* is he still on the team.

[Raptorgunner]

Either way, this is a situation Arsenal can't win in. They could've refused to pay high wages and let Walcott walk, which would've resulted in widespread criticism and discontent amongst the fans and probably the players, too. Now that they've decided they will pay Walcott high wages and have managed to keep him, we've got people saying that we're paying him too much, that we've caved in to Walcott's demands, etc.

If you think about it, Arsenal won not Theo imo. We can sell him in 2 years and get our money back plus the wages we have paid him, so this way both can be happy. I am sure, Wenger thought we could lose him for free or we can pay what he wants and sell him for a lot of money in a year or 2.

[Raptorgunner]

I am sorry but Ramsey is just not good enough for Arsenal, the best thing to do is loan him out. His weekly wages might be a huge problem though.

[MJ]

I am sorry but Ramsey is just not good enough for Arsenal, the best thing to do is loan him out. His weekly wages might be a huge problem though.

Key distinction is that it can be argued that he's not good enough yet. I have little patience with people who are so impatient with him

[Raptorgunner]

I am sorry but Ramsey is just not good enough for Arsenal, the best thing to do is loan him out. His weekly wages might be a huge problem though.

Key distinction is that it can be argued that he's not good enough yet. I have little patience with people who are so impatient with him

We have no choice but to support him, he is an Arsenal player and we must stand by all our players.

He needs game time and I not sure if he would get enough it if we do sign players this window and in the summer.

Best option a loan move for Ramsey.

Swansea.
Fulham.
Everton.

Liverpool.

[Chumlum]

I am sorry but Ramsey is just not good enough for Arsenal, the best thing to do is loan him out. His weekly wages might be a huge problem though.

Key distinction is that it can be argued that he's not good enough yet. I have little patience with people who are so impatient with him

Ramsey is often judged with a harshness as if he were a 28-year-old unjustly stealing a position in the squad at a title-winning club, not a 22-year-old who missed through injury a year of his development at a club in the midst of hectic, constant "rebuilding." I'm not blind to his current shortcomings, I hardly think he's put in a lot of world-beating performances this season or last spring ... but geez. Just a little common patience is exactly what is called for, like MJGunner says.

[Chumlum]

Best option a loan move for Ramsey.

Swansea.
Fulham.
Everton.

Liverpool.

This is kind of a tangent from your point but lately I've been thinking all sorts of young Arsenal players should try a spell at Swansea ... could do Frimpong, Coquelin, Yennaris, etc., some good maybe, if they have long-term futures at Arsenal.

[MJ]

Plus, he's been pretty good lately. Just throwing that out there

[Raptorgunner]

Best option a loan move for Ramsey.

Swansea.
Fulham.
Everton.

Liverpool.

This is kind of a tangent from your point but lately I've been thinking all sorts of young Arsenal players should try a spell at Swansea ... could do Frimpong, Coquelin, Yennaris, etc., some good maybe, if they have long-term futures at Arsenal.

Fully Agree, best place for them.

[Lex]

I think Coquelin is first team material, loan spell not necessary

Ffs if that scrub Phil Jones can get game time for Man Yoooou, then Coq is a shoe in for us

[Raptorgunner]

I think Coquelin is first team material, loan spell not necessary

Ffs if that scrub Phil Jones can get game time for Man Yoooou, then Coq is a shoe in for us

But will he sit on the bench though?

He wont get much playing time with us.

[Chumlum]

I think Coquelin is first team material, loan spell not necessary

I think he's good, maybe has a solid future at Arsenal, but wonder why Wenger hasn't played him a little more this season. I know midfield signings are exciting and probably necessary but part of me really just hopes that Coquelin & Frimpong explode into that next level & end up rocking 2013 and establish themselves as long-term senior squad options.

BTW what do people think about the rumored possibility that Götze is the £30m bid? Seems both as exciting to imagine and as unlikely to happen as Cavani.

[RealGunner]

That is certainly the new twitter target.

But as far fetched as Cavani lol unfortunately.

At this point i would take Diame and Obafemi Martins and move on tbf

[RealGunner]

Apparently the Goetze thing started when someone tweeted that some of the Arsenal staff are going to Germany as we speak

But they are going there for the Kit deal and not any players.

That's twitter for you

[Lex]

Can't spell Twitter without "twit" lol

[VendettaRed07]

Apparently the Goetze thing started when someone tweeted that some of the Arsenal staff are going to Germany as we speak

But they are going there for the Kit deal and not any players.

That's twitter for you

next we will hear tweets that the reason they are going there for a kit deal is to raise funds for a splash on falcao lol

[adoptiongunner]

Hah. Don't you know he's awful and not fit to wear the Arsenal shirt cuz (1) he suffered a horrific injury, (2) was then asked to fill the practically unfillable boots of Cesc until he burned out after a few months, and (3) he's often played out of natural position (as if it's his fault). Plus (4) he slows down play by overcomplicating things. But god forbid a 22-year-old with great commitment & mentality still shows he has some things to learn about the game.

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

Stop it. Just freaking stop it.

Leg shattered in two places. Foot hanging by his freaking sock.

Needs more than 8 - 9 months to get back onto the pitch, to heal the muscle and bone.

Forget that, his mental state is also *bleep*. Even if he makes it on the pitch, he will think twice before jumping into a tackle, or will have his eye in two places as he runs with the ball.

To top that off, he misses out on nearly 9 months of training. 9 months of learning.

So stop it.

Oh and to top that off, when he did come back, he was playing pretty well till he burned himself out.

See (not so) old videos of Ramsey, that is the man we signed. This guy is slowly making his way up. You have to be blind to not see it.

Diaby faced the same thing and is unable to stand on his own two feet without falling apart, Eduardo was never the same player again after that injury, it took him ages to find his form, out of which he had to move to a lesser league to even find that form (though change in formation was also the problem).

And to top that off, his position is not a winger. Lets get that clear.

He.

Is.

Not.

A.

Winger.

Let us see Jack play in that role and see how well he does.

[adoptiongunner]

That is certainly the new twitter target.

But as far fetched as Cavani lol unfortunately.

At this point i would take Diame and Obafemi Martins and move on tbf

Oba what?
that guy could not make Nigeria team even if he was free i wont sign him

[Wilson37]

He messes with the spacing by not playing the position Wenger wants him to, and that injury was almost 3 years ago, so the injury is no excuse, and look at Jack, he came back from an injury that kept him out of the team for a long time and he has played great, were as Ramsey has looked like he would struggle to make the team at QPR.

Stop it. Just freaking stop it.

Leg shattered in two places. Foot hanging by his freaking sock.

Needs more than 8 - 9 months to get back onto the pitch, to heal the muscle and bone.

Forget that, his mental state is also *bleep*. Even if he makes it on the pitch, he will think twice before jumping into a tackle, or will have his eye in two places as he runs with the ball.

To top that off, he misses out on nearly 9 months of training. 9 months of learning.

So stop it.

Oh and to top that off, when he did come back, he was playing pretty well till he burned himself out.

See (not so) old videos of Ramsey, that is the man we signed. This guy is slowly making his way up. You have to be blind to not see it.

Diaby faced the same thing and is unable to stand on his own two feet without falling apart, Eduardo was never the same player again after that injury, it took him ages to find his form, out of which he had to move to a lesser league to even find that form (though change in formation was also the problem).

And to top that off, his position is not a winger. Lets get that clear.

He.

Is.

Not.

A.

Winger.

Let us see Jack play in that role and see how well he does.

The fact the he is playing on the wings means that AW thinks he isn't fit to play his so called natural position, and he came back and played in october of the same year, these are the facts whether you want to look at them or not.

from reading many of the posts here, it looks like Wenger is trying to convert Ramsey into a winger.. he plays him there because we have better central midfielders atm.. Arteta, Wilshere, Cazorla and Diaby have more specific roles.. Who would you drop for Ramsey ? But Wenger knows his talent and does not want him rot on bench waiting for cup matches or injuries.. So he is occasionally played in the wings where there is more chances because of Gervinho flopping and Walcotts minor injuries.. It doesnt mean Wenger sees his future there.. He expects him to play his natural game and have an impact on the game like what Cashri or Benayoun had.. But it is not easy for everyone.. Rosicky is so good centrally but he couldnt manage the same in the wings.. So Wenger is not screwing Ramsey, instead he is giving him more oppertunities to play than ballwatch on the bench..

[Wilson37]

I think the difference is Arsenal usually dont give such wages to that level of player. Walcott is good, dont get me wrong, but 90 something is no joke. Especially as Arsenal have come across as reluctant to do that.

That being said, you did the right thing overall probably.

i am not a big fan of Walcott or his game.. But the fact that we have spend lot of money and years of patience on him.. And finally when it is starting to pay back we cant leave him for reasons as silly as 10 or 20k especially when we have lost many players under similar circumstances.. Walcott is nowhere good to deserve 100k according to our wage system.. I wont mind selling him if we could find good quality replacements without spending too high.. But knowing us, i am happy that we have hold on to a decent player instead of buying another kid and waiting for him to develop.. But the most irritating thing i see is playing him as CF.. Now that he has signed, hope we shift him back to his RW which is the only position on earth he can play..

[Wilson37]

Either way, this is a situation Arsenal can't win in. They could've refused to pay high wages and let Walcott walk, which would've resulted in widespread criticism and discontent amongst the fans and probably the players, too. Now that they've decided they will pay Walcott high wages and have managed to keep him, we've got people saying that we're paying him too much, that we've caved in to Walcott's demands, etc.

If you think about it, Arsenal won not Theo imo. We can sell him in 2 years and get our money back plus the wages we have paid him, so this way both can be happy. I am sure, Wenger thought we could lose him for free or we can pay what he wants and sell him for a lot of money in a year or 2.

Lol.. May be..
We desperately brainwash and sign him.. His performances keep improving but still we dont win anything.. Finally he says he wants to go and we sell him for big money.. That business model..

[6unner]

Apparently the Goetze thing started when someone tweeted that some of the Arsenal staff are going to Germany as we speak

But they are going there for the Kit deal and not any players.

That's twitter for you

next we will hear tweets that the reason they are going there for a kit deal is to raise funds for a splash on falcao lol

I wonder what the difference in kit deals are between a 6th place team with the ambition of a top 4 finish and a top team built to challenge for silverware. Anyone think the difference would be enough to pay the wages of a WC CF?

[Highburied]

Those calling Ramsey to be loaned are a bit too harsh .

He doesnt need anymore experience, he just needs right instructions and Imo he should play alongside Wilshere in a deeper role.

Ramsey is quality.

[sportsczy]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Arsenal-a-l-offensive-sur-thauvin/343596

5 mil bid for Florian Thauvin, the 20 year old AM of Bastia. He's been offered by Lille and Newcastle.

Nice little player that can become really good with time. Already has an impact in Ligue 1.

These are the type of rumors that actually have a chance of happening lol.

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