Re: Jose Mourinho's Greatest XI

by RealGunner Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:25 am

Someone should do one for Lippi

by Swanhends Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:33 am

Here's Rafa:

Julio Cesar
Zanetti Ayala Samuel Cole
Alonso Cambiasso
Gerrard Aimar Vicente
Eto'o

:notbad:

by Jay29 Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:37 am

Arsene Wenger's would be pretty boring and predictable, I think:

Seaman

Dixon --- Campbell --- Adams --- Cole

Ljungberg --- Vieira --- Gilberto --- Pires

Bergkamp --- Henry

Alternatively, you could also have:

Lehmann

Lauren --- Keown --- Toure --- Thuram

Hoddle --- Fabregas --- Petit --- Overmars

Weah --- Djorkaeff

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:43 am

Lippi

--------------------------------------Buffon--------------------------------

----------------Thuram-------------Nesta--------------Canna----------------

---------------------------------------Pirlo------------------------------------

Zambrotta-----------------Davids-------------Gattuso------------------------

--------------------------------------Del Peiro--------------------------Nedved

--------------------------------------Trezeguet--------------------------------

Not a formation he ever used, but a mix of Italy 06 and Juve 01. Shame there was no room from guys in the 94 team, like Conte, Deschamps, Montero, Ferrera etc.

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:44 am

Swanhends wrote:Here's Rafa:

Julio Cesar
Zanetti Ayala Samuel Cole
Alonso Cambiasso
Gerrard Aimar Vicente
Eto'o

:notbad:

No Baraja is one thing...but no Carew........

by RedOranje Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:47 am

The Franchise wrote:
Swanhends wrote:Here's Rafa:

Julio Cesar
Zanetti Ayala Samuel Cole
Alonso Cambiasso
Gerrard Aimar Vicente
Eto'o

:notbad:

No Baraja is one thing...but no Carew........

No Hyypia or Carragher, both of whom won multiple trophies (including CL) under Rafa and were part of one of the best Premier League defenses in their time under him?

by RealGunner Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:48 am

The Franchise wrote:Lippi

--------------------------------------Buffon--------------------------------

----------------Thuram-------------Nesta--------------Canna----------------

---------------------------------------Pirlo------------------------------------

Zambrotta-----------------Davids-------------Gattuso------------------------

--------------------------------------Del Peiro--------------------------Nedved

--------------------------------------Trezeguet--------------------------------

Not a formation he ever used, but a mix of Italy 06 and Juve 01. Shame there was no room from guys in the 94 team, like Conte, Deschamps, Montero, Ferrera etc.

No Zidane

by RealGunner Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:50 am

GoonerJay29 wrote:Arsene Wenger's would be pretty boring and predictable, I think:

Alternatively, you could also have:

Lehmann

Lauren --- Keown --- Toure --- Thuram

Hoddle --- Fabregas --- Petit --- Overmars

Weah --- Djorkaeff

2nd team is pretty good too. Maybe Put Lineker in there to get a player from Nagoya Grampus Eight Laughing

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:53 am

Did Zidane play under him?

Didnt he return the season he left?

by VivaStPauli Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:55 am

The Franchise wrote:He coached Augenthaler and Rumenigge!?

Damn hes old

Augenthaler was his captain when he had his first stint at Bayern from '87 on.

Vogts is even more amazing, he coached him at BMG, right after he stopped playing with him there. From '79 to '87.

Yes. Heynckes is old. Sadly Zizou wasn't at Real yet when Jupp was there. Also, Schweinsteiger > Seedorf defensively. That's why he's in over Seedorf.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:56 am

Was thinking about doing SBR one and then i realised it would be Barca/Benfica + Shearer Laughing

by Swanhends Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:57 am

RedOranje wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Swanhends wrote:Here's Rafa:

Julio Cesar
Zanetti Ayala Samuel Cole
Alonso Cambiasso
Gerrard Aimar Vicente
Eto'o

:notbad:

No Baraja is one thing...but no Carew........

No Hyypia or Carragher, both of whom won multiple trophies (including CL) under Rafa and were part of one of the best Premier League defenses in their time under him?

Clarification: Is this supposed to be the best 11 players all-time to play under X manager, or does the players form while the manager was in charge come into effect?

I think Samuel is a better player and has had a better career than both Hyypia and Carragher, but I would not argue that the latter two players performed better under Rafa than Samuel did

by RedOranje Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:58 am

I would argue Hyypia was superior at his peak... a hugely underrated player.

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:59 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Was thinking about doing SBR one and then i realised it would be Barca/Benfica + Shearer

Shay Given at least? lol

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:00 am

I could make a really good argument for Canizares as a player over Cesar tbh i mean he may not have won the CL but f*ck me was he good before he decided to drop shampoo on his foot :facepalm:

Oh yeah Dani i forgot you had Vitor Baia Laughing

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:00 am

I took it as how well the players played under that coach.

by RealGunner Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:01 am

The Franchise wrote:Did Zidane play under him?

Didnt he return the season he left?

Thought he played under him when Juve reached the CL final.

by VivaStPauli Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:02 am

RedOranje wrote:I would argue Hyypia was superior at his peak... a hugely underrated player.

I'm already ashamed of choosing Lucio over Hyypiä, but I hoped nobody would notice.

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:02 am

The boring one vs Milan in 03?

by RealGunner Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:03 am

The Franchise wrote:The boring one vs Milan in 03?

One against Madrid when heynckes was in charge.

by VivaStPauli Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:04 am

RealGunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:The boring one vs Milan in 03?

One against Madrid when heynckes was in charge.

Zidane played for Juve in that match. I looked it up earlier because I wanted a look at Heynckes' Real squad.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:06 am

The Franchise wrote:I took it as how well the players played under that coach.

Agreed that's the way it should be, especially for Rafa when a lot of Mourinho's didn't perform under him for one reason or another.

Eto'o aside probably, i would like to see teams of players who performed best under what ever coach you decide to pick.

For example if you want to pick a Hiddink XI i think choosing Eto'o is wrong because for intensive purposes he hasn't performed under him.

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:06 am

In 98.

Yeah, that was toward the end of Lipp's first stint. Forgot that, he was there for like 5 years.

Damn...Yeah, put Zidane in there for Nedved, make it even more unbalanced what the hell.

by The Franchise Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:07 am

And agree Mole, just makes more sense that way.

by Arquitecto Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:32 am

VivaStPauli wrote:Jupp Heynckes

----------------- Neuer
Vogts -- Augenthaler - Lucio - R. Carlos
Matthäus - Redondo - Schweinsteiger
---------Raúl --------Scholl
------------Rumenigge

Don Jupp's men line up in a nifty 4-3-2-1 with little width, and stand deep. No early pressing, they absorb pressure due to the statue of former sweeper Lothar Matthäus and the industrious Schweinsteiger in midfield, who are covered by the venomous Vogts, the bullwark of Augenthaler, who captains the team, and tricky duo Lucio and Carlos.
Once they gain possession they hit quick, through the center of the pitch, with Redondo, Schweinsteiger, and Matthäus taking turns orchestrating the attacks, once they get close to goal, they feed Rumenigge, with Mehmet Scholl and Raúl lurking at the edge of the area to prey on rebounds.

If the opposition parks the bus, Mathäus (or Redondo, or Schweinsteiger) advances up the pitch, Scholl and Raul push wide, and they will probe the defence with those perfect passes half the team knows how to play, with all defenders taking turns in crowding the box. The CBs are both a threat on goal, while Vogts and Carlos both know to cross.
If all else fails, sub in Ribéry or Müller, or sub in Gomez and cross high until he lucks out and scores a header. Boom. Heynckes XI. Or sub in Seedorf, what do I care. Heynckes has coached everyone, I can pretty much just name awesome footballers, he'll have coached them at some time.

I'm sorry but that list would be one that Jupp would shed a tear on.
Neuer cannot possibly be ahead of Canizares when he hasn't proven as much as him along with being Jupp's fav keeper as well (not counting winning the CL)

Vogts is arguable for Pannuci but I would take this since the former was amazing.

But Lucio and Augenthaler over Sanchis and Hierro? Not a chance. Aitor Karanka would even get over those two as the 3rd choice after the famous Spanish pairing. Roberto Carlos was a legend but compared to Larrazábal who was Jupp's first choice LB at Athletic club twice in both his stints has got to be an automatic starter.

Why is Schwiensteiger over Clarance Seedorf? That cannot be right.

Rumenigge? Heynkes never paired up with KHR as you must be getting mixed up.

Scholl was a fantastic player and a great man along with being a personal favourite of mine, but Etxeberria was a defining legend for Osram and his personal favourite player as well. Raul should be the focal point of attack then Julen Guerrero paired up alongside Etxeberria supporting Raul.

Canizares
Vogt(Pannuci)-Sanchis-Hierro(Karanka)-Larrazábal
Matthäus-Redondo-Seedorf
Exteberria-Guerrero
Raul

Would be apt.

by Swanhends Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:36 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
The Franchise wrote:I took it as how well the players played under that coach.

Agreed that's the way it should be, especially for Rafa when a lot of Mourinho's didn't perform under him for one reason or another.

Eto'o aside probably, i would like to see teams of players who performed best under what ever coach you decide to pick.

For example if you want to pick a Hiddink XI i think choosing Eto'o is wrong because for intensive purposes he hasn't performed under him.

In that case, Hyypia for Samuel, and someone for Cambiasso (Suggestions Welcome)

Edit:

Cesar
Zanetti Ayala Hyypia Cole
Alonso Baraja
Gerrard Aimar Vicente
Eto'o

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